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thompsonx -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/10/2016 3:14:44 AM)


ORIGINAL: LadyPact

What, exactly, on God's green earth, gave you the impression that I'm a leftist?


If you stand up for your rights and sit down to pee you are ipso facto a leftist[;)]




respectmen -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/10/2016 10:15:34 PM)

tweakabelle

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You seem to think that social equality and justice are zero sum games. So when one group makes some gains towards achieving social equality and justice, another group must lose .... This is a rather silly perspective.


It is a silly perspective and it's not mine. You own it as you are the only one that is mentioning that. However, leftist social justice groups such as feminists truly do stamp down the rights of others so their narrative and voice is the only one that will be herd. In this case, female superiority.

For example, do you have any idea what's going on in universities? When I first read your post, I was going to send you a handful of links but I just watched this video which explains enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y44UlaC3DPo

What feminists are doing in universities is a perfect example of making other groups lose or other genders lose...such as men.

The feminists in the mainstream/universities these days are totalitarian freaks. This isn't just a small subset of feminists, this radical behaviour from feminists is the norm in the movement.

LadyPact

Okay, you're not a leftist but your views is on the left.




mnottertail -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/11/2016 10:14:15 AM)

Wonder if she would blow me? what do you think?

That guy is some kind of dildo though. Fucking guy was emailed, did you catch that, talk about a climate of fear and shit. Here the boys are bitching, why wont these cunts write me back? What's a feminist to do?

Like the lady with the nosebleed said; "Goddammit!!! If it ain't one thing; its another!!!".




tweakabelle -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/12/2016 12:02:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: respectmen
[...] leftist social justice groups such as feminists truly do stamp down the rights of others so their narrative and voice is the only one that will be herd. In this case, female superiority.

For example, do you have any idea what's going on in universities? When I first read your post, I was going to send you a handful of links but I just watched this video which explains enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y44UlaC3DPo

Thank you for your kind thoughts However, as I work in a university, I have no need of youtube links to inform myself about the goings on in universities. From the way that you parrot on about universities, I'd guess that it's a long long time since you were near a university. Your posts indicate a degree of ignorance about universities and what is taught there, that approaches the stratospheric.




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What feminists are doing in universities is a perfect example of making other groups lose or other genders lose...such as men.

The feminists in the mainstream/universities these days are totalitarian freaks. This isn't just a small subset of feminists, this radical behaviour from feminists is the norm in the movement.


The idea that feminist academics are the "norm in the movement" is laughable, So absurd it's not even worth the energy to mock it in the style it so richly deserves. Academics are rarely the norm in anything and feminism is no exception to this general rule.

If there is a "norm" for feminism and feminists it is this:
a women doing her best to get ahead to put an end to gender based violence, discrimination, seeking to get the same pay as men get for the same tasks, trying to smash the glass ceiling etc Ordinary women doing extraordinary things. There are millions of women out there putting feminist demands for equality and social justice into reality in their everyday lives, the vast majority of whom would probably be unable to even name a significant contemporary feminist academic (my guess would be >90%). These women are the 'norm' of feminism and feminists.

Of course, if you are as well-informed and familiar with feminism and feminists as you claim you are, you would know all this already wouldn't you?




itsSIRtou -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/12/2016 12:55:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
You know what i read from your comments. Not only do you resent and hate white people. You got so much baggage about this whole thing, that you even refuse to have a woman of your own race. You are racist towards yourself, and you are bragging about having a white woman. It's almost like having a white woman is for "Sticking it into a white man who sooo wronged you." And I bet 101% you chose her because she's white. And then you think having a white woman as well as actually bothering to help a white guy is one big deal.


(wow, Im amazed at how many pages this expanded to while I was sleeping...)

.... Evidently My one bit as sarcasm was lost in a tough room. (If Dan Aykroyd was here, he'd look at Jane Curtin and say "Jane, you ignorant slut.")

u two are so sad. I will not argue the foolish bitch comment.

the comment about the "occasional white guy" was sarcasm. Especially since all but 3 people that Ive worked (in My current business.) for are white males.


Come on, you have been on here long enough by now that you should be aware of Greta's issue with sarcasm. She doesn't get it. There are lots of nuances in language that she misses, and as such she has a lot of misunderstandings that can be mindblowing.


I guess I have to really remember that. evidently its catchy, considering the lezzy love affair they had for a moment....







dreamlady -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/12/2016 3:03:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
What, exactly, on God's green earth, gave you the impression that I'm a leftist?

If you stand up for your rights and sit down to pee you are ipso facto a leftist[;)]

There are dudes who sit down to pee. For all we know, r-men may be one of them. [:D]

OP, I'm not a leftist. In many ways, I'm a downright hawk and (quietly) proud of it. If it weren't for imperialism, and the foreign aid a lot of these Third World nations have come to depend upon, where would they be? Even when our largesse only trickles down, it still benefits the common people.

Yet, going by interactions in the past, you would also paint me with a broad sweeping brush and lump me in the militant feminist camp of radicals.

Have I mentioned before that I hate being objectified with negative stereotypes and unsubstantiated generalizations? I take it that you don't like it much either.


DreamLady

Edit - typo




PeonForHer -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/12/2016 4:16:29 AM)

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If there is a "norm" for feminism and feminists it is this:
a women doing her best to get ahead to put an end to gender based violence, discrimination, seeking to get the same pay as men get for the same tasks, trying to smash the glass ceiling etc Ordinary women doing extraordinary things. There are millions of women out there putting feminist demands for equality and social justice into reality in their everyday lives, the vast majority of whom would probably be unable to even name a significant contemporary feminist academic (my guess would be >90%). These women are the 'norm' of feminism and feminists.


It's strange, isn't it? Myself, if I were to engage in a discussion of X, I'd first acquaint myself with what X actually is. For some reason, we're not expected to do that when we're talking about feminism. Nick has resisted all efforts by myself and others actually to go away and do this preliminary work. The result is that all we really get with Nick's threads is him shouting, over and over again, "Listen to me - LISTEN! Bad and extreme women are *bad* and *extreme*!!".




Wayward5oul -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/12/2016 5:34:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou
I guess I have to really remember that. evidently its catchy, considering the lezzy love affair they had for a moment....

OK, now I am the one missing nuances here, because I'm not sure what you are saying here.




dreamlady -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/12/2016 5:55:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou
I guess I have to really remember that. evidently its catchy, considering the lezzy love affair they had for a moment....

OK, now I am the one missing nuances here, because I'm not sure what you are saying here.

Sounds like somebody is a graduate of MSU. . . . Making Shit Up. [sm=liar.gif]

Most of their alma mater congregate in this P&R Dungeon, which is why I rarely venture over here.


DreamLady




thompsonx -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/13/2016 1:02:06 PM)


ORIGINAL: dreamlady

OP, I'm not a leftist. In many ways, I'm a downright hawk and (quietly) proud of it. If it weren't for imperialism, and the foreign aid a lot of these Third World nations have come to depend upon, where would they be?

Doing quite well I would imagine. Anyone who believes in impearlism is a gangster and nothing more. A cusory look at the foriegn aid will show it benifits only corporate amerika.


Even when our largesse only trickles down, it still benefits the common people.

Perhaps you could give us some representative samples of this?





itsSIRtou -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/13/2016 1:21:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dreamlady


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou
I guess I have to really remember that. evidently its catchy, considering the lezzy love affair they had for a moment....

OK, now I am the one missing nuances here, because I'm not sure what you are saying here.

Sounds like somebody is a graduate of MSU. . . . Making Shit Up. [sm=liar.gif]

Most of their alma mater congregate in this P&R Dungeon, which is why I rarely venture over here.


DreamLady



maybe from now on Im going to have to add a "sarcasm warning" label to My posts..... See posts on this tread between 28 to 33, 40 for sarcasm reference.

and maybe u should go back to dreaming u had anything constructive to add ..... "lady". (dripping-ly sarcastically said.)





tweakabelle -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/14/2016 6:01:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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If there is a "norm" for feminism and feminists it is this:
a women doing her best to get ahead to put an end to gender based violence, discrimination, seeking to get the same pay as men get for the same tasks, trying to smash the glass ceiling etc Ordinary women doing extraordinary things. There are millions of women out there putting feminist demands for equality and social justice into reality in their everyday lives, the vast majority of whom would probably be unable to even name a significant contemporary feminist academic (my guess would be >90%). These women are the 'norm' of feminism and feminists.


It's strange, isn't it? Myself, if I were to engage in a discussion of X, I'd first acquaint myself with what X actually is. For some reason, we're not expected to do that when we're talking about feminism. Nick has resisted all efforts by myself and others actually to go away and do this preliminary work. The result is that all we really get with Nick's threads is him shouting, over and over again, "Listen to me - LISTEN! Bad and extreme women are *bad* and *extreme*!!".

Yup. Nothing can replace a sound knowledge of the subject one is posting on. For some reason people who know next to nothing about feminism and feminists feel free to pontificate loudly on the topic. Their impression they have of feminism is that it's a movement of academic "totalitarian freaks" (to borrow nicki's memorable phrase) dedicated to emasculating men, taking all the fun out of life and world domination ......

The reality of feminism is a tad more mundane and is about everyday things like equal pay for equal work, women controlling their reproductive choices, eliminating gender based violence and abuse of women and children. Most people would agree with most of this agenda when it is put to them point by point. Put it together under the label "feminism" and in the eyes of those males who feel threatened by the concept that men and women are equal, somehow this agenda mysteriously morphs into a sinister womens' conspiracy to make men, fun and liberty redundant.

Sensitive little thingys they are, aren't they? Perhaps their hormones are acting up .......




PeonForHer -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/14/2016 6:53:36 AM)

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Yup. Nothing can replace a sound knowledge of the subject one is posting on. For some reason people who know next to nothing about feminism and feminists feel free to pontificate loudly on the topic. Their impression they have of feminism is that it's a movement of academic "totalitarian freaks" (to borrow nicki's memorable phrase) dedicated to emasculating men, taking all the fun out of life and world domination ......


... And anyone who defines herself, or himself, as a 'feminist' is to be tarred by the same brush. You thought you were a feminist because, per the standard and widely accepted definition, you believe that men and women should be treated socially equal - but then find that because you're a feminist, you just must want to take away all men's power too. It's 'all of the same package of beliefs', natch, and you can't take one bit of feminism and chuck away another. So what do you do? If you're convinced by Nick and his cohorts, you shudder in horror and say, 'Oh no, I'm not a feminist!' It's a trick that's been working for a long, long time, as I'm sure you know.




Awareness -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/14/2016 9:34:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
I get that you're Chinese and that you claim to be moderate, Greta. But you must see that the Chinese are dangerous. I know what you Chinese are like, because I've read Mao's Little Red Book. This describes the Chinese character, which all we westerners should accept, and not be 'right on' or pussies about it. Therefore I know what *you* could be like. If I were to suspect you of terrorist activities, I'd have no compunction about your being tortured to find the truth. You *do* understand that and agree with that, don't you?
I can assure you that studying 3 millenia of Chinese history will give you a full and frank appreciation of the Chinese ability to shed blood - mostly peasant blood.

One of the problems I have with normal people is the depth of their stupidity and their inability to think, so let's take an example of how a lack of thought and adherence to political correctness can result in a proliferation of useful idiots.

There's been an outcry in the last decade about the degree of Chinese insensitivity to suffering - even of their own people. The example which most readily comes to mind is the death of Wang Yue.

Wang Yue was a two year old Chinese girl who was run over twice, by two separate cars on 13th October 2011. She lay bleeding on the road for 7 minutes while over a dozen people passed by and ignored - let us be clear about this - A BLEEDING TWO YEAR OLD GIRL lying in the road.

She was finally pulled off the road by an elderly rubbish scavenger named Chen Xianmei. Nonetheless, she died a week later from her injuries.

Last year, Slate had an interesting article on how Chinese drivers intentionally kill the pedestrians they hit.

Now, what are we to conclude from this? That the Chinese character is irredeemably savage and lacking empathy?

No, that would be stupid. However, it would also be stupid to ignore what is primarily responsible for such behaviour: Chinese culture.

There are three factors which drive much of the behaviour exhibited in the Wang Yue case. The first is the Peng Yu case in which a grandmother who fell off a bus subsequently sued the only individual who came to her aid and even paid her small hospital bill. The judge decided this was evidence of a guilty conscience and awarded her $7,000 dollars. (Years later, the State-owned newspaper Oriental Weekly reported on this case with a supposed discovery of a trove of documents which implicated Peng Yu through eyewitness accounts and reported on collusion between the perpetrator and the victim. Being China, this could be true or it could be complete horseshit. Ultimately it's irrelevant because the penalty for acting as a Good Samaritan was firmly established in the eyes of the Chinese public).

The second is the reality of China's laws when it comes to personal injury. Slate reports that Chinese drivers (and indeed Taiwanese drivers) who hit a pedestrian will then back up and run over them a few times for good measure - to ensure they die. The rationale is simple. If you cripple a person you have to pay for their care for life. Killing them results in a one-time payment. And even worse, the drivers who do this escape murder charges. Judges seem prepared to believe the most outrageous stories.

The third issue is the pressure of trying to build a decent lifestyle when you're 1 of 1.6 billion people. The sheer numbers mean that life is cheap and every individual has to scramble madly for everything they want. It's why the Chinese are so hideously focused on money. It's their one ticket out of poverty toward a lifestyle like ours.

So what's to blame for this unfeeling behaviour, devoid of empathy?

The problem is that Chinese culture sucks. It's fucking awful. The society in China and Taiwan has created an environment in which empathy puts you at a disadvantage. Consequently - human beings being what they are - empathy and altruism are rarely found in the Chinese because their culture effectively breeds it out of them. If you have empathy, you're probably going to be out-competed by your neighbours who don't give a shit. They'll reproduce more effectively and probably sneak their second child past the one child policy minders.

You on the other hand will probably die before you reproduce. It's not just the empathy gene which might die with you, it's the empathy memes which you carry in your head which will also never find fertile soil.

Political correctness means that people think any criticism of a people is inherently racist. This is bullshit. Cultures have problems. American culture focuses on the individual at the expense of everyone else which gives rise to the entitlement mentality which drives feminism. Asian cultures emphasise collectivism which isn't used for the benefit of communities but is exploited by the upper echelons of society to get peasants to sacrifice for their leaders instead of their communities.

Chinese culture is a consequence of enormous numbers of people being ruled by a political oligarchy which cares nothing for the people and reflects this in its laws and its attempts to control society.

So do people from China exhibit certain traits which are a consequence of the shitty culture in which they were nurtured? You're damn right they do. And it's only the moronically politically correct - the "useful idiots" - whose adherence to ideological stupidity prevents their minds from accepting the reality of culture and its influence on behaviour. Because criticism of a culture is also criticism of a race and racism is bad mmm'kay.

The exception being white culture - specifically white male culture. That can be criticised because everybody else is a fucking victim, amirite?

Horseshit. At this juncture - and probably not for too much longer - white male culture holds power in a decent number of prosperous civilisations. And the whining victim retardation expressed by feminists about themselves and every other culture is simply the whining of those people who lack power and think whining will get it for them.

Everyone who gains power acts pretty much the same. They seek to maintain that power, to prevent others from taking it from them. White males are actually pretty relaxed about this relative to other cultures. And they've built civilisations which managed to give their people a high standard of living relative to everyone else on the planet. And yet somehow, people are confused when those who've built successful civilisations seek to keep those successes going? When white men empathise and trust people who are most like themselves?

Women complain about prejudice where men trust and promote other men more than women and yet women DO THIS THEMSELVES ALL THE DAMN TIME.

This is what I mean about stupid. Intellectual blind spots, inability to see their own hypocrisy, whipping themselves up into a hysterical frenzy about their own faults exhibited in other people.

The premise of the video is that white men are not a fucking punching dummy for every idiotic feminist whose life never turned out the way she expected. White men have advantages and disadvantages, the same way white women do. And yes, men have biases towards men when it comes to trust and confidence in their ability to do a job, the same way women have biases toward women when it comes to... pretty much fucking anything.

Stop whining. Harden the fuck up. If you're a screeching feminist, you're either a dude trying to get laid or a woman too pathetic to make something of herself.




dreamlady -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/14/2016 10:53:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou
maybe from now on Im going to have to add a "sarcasm warning" label to My posts..... See posts on this tread between 28 to 33, 40 for sarcasm reference.

and maybe u should go back to dreaming u had anything constructive to add ..... "lady". (dripping-ly sarcastically said.)

Seriously? And passive-aggressively backpedaling on making personally directed attacks on Greta and Wayward by implying they have some lesbian-based sympatico going on - whether you were being facetious or not - was constructive to this, or to any other, thread in which way exactly? [8|]

Seems like the only one caught up in fantasy-induced dreaming is you, "gent."


DreamLady




dreamlady -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/14/2016 11:38:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
OP, I'm not a leftist. In many ways, I'm a downright hawk and (quietly) proud of it. If it weren't for imperialism, and the foreign aid a lot of these Third World nations have come to depend upon, where would they be?

Doing quite well I would imagine. Anyone who believes in impearlism is a gangster and nothing more. A cusory look at the foriegn aid will show it benifits only corporate amerika.

Ah, and which MSU fraternity did you join? The one which gets subsidized by govt benefits, perchance? [8D]

I take it that you believe corporate America is run by gangsters, Lol. If this has any basis in fact, then the entire world is a clusterfuck of disorganized mobs. Imperialism brings order, not chaos. Not only that, but it provides pseudo-ad hoc oversight, thus forcing some small measure of accountability upon the corporate moneymaking machine, which would otherwise run roughshod more rampantly than what it could get away with left to its own devices.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Even when our largesse only trickles down, it still benefits the common people.

Perhaps you could give us some representative samples of this?

I believe we are already far off topic. But since you asked so nicely, I can attest to all the hospitals, schools, hydroelectric power plants and dams, airports, bridges, tunnels, highways, and other components of vital infrastructure construction that my father designed and built in his half-century career. Most of it was with the Army Corps of Engineers and the United Nations Command. Anything mundane which improves and enriches the lives of John Q. Public is a desirable outcome.

If you have anything else to address me about on this matter, please feel free to talk to the hand. [:)]


DreamLady




Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/14/2016 12:03:05 PM)

I am white. Have a problem?
Take your sub par race and stick it up your ass.
We have been proud of our tolerance. We have turned our cheek so much, we are almost dead.
We have no more tolerance.
Talk a good game, but when it comes to real action and performance.
We are action.




PeonForHer -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/14/2016 12:10:13 PM)

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I can assure you that studying 3 millenia of Chinese history will give you a full and frank appreciation of the Chinese ability to shed blood - mostly peasant blood.

One of the problems I have with normal people is the depth of their stupidity and their inability to think, so let's take an example of how a lack of thought and adherence to political correctness can result in a proliferation of useful idiots.


I don't know what occasioned that lengthy and bizarre tirade, Awareness. But I do think that, just occasionally, you should stop and consider that maybe the world is not, as you appear to think it is, divided between extraordinary people such as yourself, and ordinary people such as me and apparently everyone else on the forum. You've missed the essential point of what I was saying to Greta.

Interrelatedly, and as is usual with attacks of this kind, yours zeroes in what you call 'political correctness'. This is a cotton wool covered toy-mallet for lazy right wingers, I've generally found, and you're not an exception, I'm afraid.

What I was trying to get across to Greta concerned the 'ecological fallacy'. This a fallacy in which 'inferences about the nature of individuals are deduced from inference for the group to which those individuals belong'. Thus, for instance, and in order to understand any given Muslim person, I can't simply read the Koran and claim that I 'know that Muslim person'.

That would also be true of any given Chinese person. Thus, whatever Chinese culture is (or even has been like - though the latter case is about history and is of lesser relevance, because we were all, the world over, savages once), I can't know Greta from knowledge of that culture. Chinese culture as a whole may well have been violent and may well be violent now (both true, in many ways and there are lots of examples). But this does not infer that Greta herself is violent. And for the record, I'd be astonished to find out that she *is* violent.

Racism involves an example of the ecological fallacy. It suggests that what can be said of the group can always be said of any individual considered to be 'of that group'.


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Stop whining. Harden the fuck up. If you're a screeching feminist, you're either a dude trying to get laid or a woman too pathetic to make something of herself.


I don't know what a 'screeching feminist' is. A feminist, however, is someone who believes that women are of equal value as men and should be treated that way. A man with some brains and any basic sense of justice would support that. A woman who believes the same and pushes for it *has* hardened the fuck up'. It's those who shudder away from such pushing that need some lead in their pencils.

As for this oft-repeated drivel about how men who support feminism are only doing so in order to get in the sack with women ... . Really, Awareness? Has that been your empirical experience - feminist men that you've known have always had loads of squelching action? Because it's not been true in my case - never, since I started supporting feminism decades ago. If anything, women *on the whole* are suspicious of male feminists. And there's quite a lot of a certain sort of woman - not my sort, I have to say - who actually get their jollies from the idea of copping off with virulently anti-feminist men.

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This is what I mean about stupid. Intellectual blind spots, inability to see their own hypocrisy, whipping themselves up into a hysterical frenzy about their own faults exhibited in other people.



Come on, man. Look in the mirror.




Lucylastic -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/14/2016 12:14:40 PM)

Hanging off the coattails of your ignorant ancestors isnt much of an accomplishment.





ThatDizzyChick -> RE: I Love My White Male Privilege! (3/14/2016 12:57:00 PM)

LOL
Now THAT is a well-reasoned argument. [:D]




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