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PeonForHer -> RE: Feminist Terminology: Microaggression (3/5/2016 7:26:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
I can't wait for Trump to win Presidentship and then four years later, triumphantly remind you, that Trump has brought people together successfully! I think his completely misunderstood as a divider. Obama didn't succeed in unifying at all. And I think during Clinton and Bush time, there was more unity, than during Obama term.


Greta ... look, I'm sorry, but that's just too nutty for me to be able to start to argue with it.




PeonForHer -> RE: Feminist Terminology: Microaggression (3/5/2016 7:33:23 PM)

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Design a car. Come on.

I am going to say this at some risk of being wrong but I think I am right.

IF YOU CAN DESIGN A CAR YOU ARE NOT A LIBERAL.

Liberals do not have the critical thinking skills required.

Your turn.


What the *holy fuck* are you talking about, Termy? Seriously, is it your honest belief that every inventor was a conservative? Google the phrase 'definition of conservative'. The first definition, at the top of the page, goes:

"1. averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values."

Do you think that someone who is averse to change or innovation is automatically of just the right mindset to invent something? Or might you think that, in fact, it could be somebody of the *opposite* mindset who is more likely to invent something?




mnottertail -> RE: Feminist Terminology: Microaggression (3/5/2016 7:34:45 PM)

Don't bring up your rotter, Adam Smith.




Dvr22999874 -> RE: Feminist Terminology: Microaggression (3/5/2016 7:34:54 PM)

and then have their ideas stolen or bought for peanuts by the conservative ?




mnottertail -> RE: Feminist Terminology: Microaggression (3/5/2016 8:00:42 PM)

Ja, sadly; it aint all about us.




Greta75 -> RE: Feminist Terminology: Microaggression (3/5/2016 8:06:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Greta ... look, I'm sorry, but that's just too nutty for me to be able to start to argue with it.



Four years later, I will either eat my own words, or I'd be like, "I told cha I am not crazy!"
But then if Trump loses the election, then all this is null and void, we'd be talking about someone else ha! I hate Rubio and Cruz, so I'd be Republican-out!




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Feminist Terminology: Microaggression (3/5/2016 8:39:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Right slanted policies are usually pragmatic policies. How can pragmatic policies be "uninformed"?


First of all, there is almost never a policy from the right. It is just "Insert prominent Democrat's name here" sucks. Insult after insult sans any substance.

Secondly, where are these pragmatic policies?

Criminalizing abortion?
Making it harder for Democrats to vote?
Opposing background checks for gun purchases?
Obamacare? (Yep... That was a Heritage foundation/Republican idea in the 9i0's)
How about repealing Obamacare and replacing it with... vapor?
Cap and trade? (Another Republican idea)
Oil subsidies?
Regime change in the Middle East?
Selling Iran nuclear technology? (Thanks Haliburton!)


Yes, lots of pragmatism here.






mnottertail -> RE: Feminist Terminology: Microaggression (3/5/2016 8:48:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Greta ... look, I'm sorry, but that's just too nutty for me to be able to start to argue with it.



Four years later, I will either eat my own words, or I'd be like, "I told cha I am not crazy!"
But then if Trump loses the election, then all this is null and void, we'd be talking about someone else ha! I hate Rubio and Cruz, so I'd be Republican-out!



There is some dumb fucks in the US. We don't allow them to actually do anything. They like small government but more of them are trying to get into it than heads of state are trying to get head. Once they found it was constitutional to get head, they started the hue and cry, "freedom".




Greta75 -> RE: Feminist Terminology: Microaggression (3/5/2016 8:50:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
Criminalizing abortion?
Making it harder for Democrats to vote?
Opposing background checks for gun purchases?
Obamacare? (Yep... That was a Heritage foundation/Republican idea in the 9i0's)
How about repealing Obamacare and replacing it with... vapor?
Cap and trade? (Another Republican idea)
Oil subsidies?
Regime change in the Middle East?
Selling Iran nuclear technology? (Thanks Haliburton!)
Yes, lots of pragmatism here.

The gun culture thing is very uniquely American issue, and it's completely because of their own civil war history and why they feel like the government shouldn't have any rights to regulate their ownership of guns. Some cultures have their own little quirks. Alot of things are uniquely America, like the whole black and white issues too. That doesn't make any sense to any other cultures. So when I look at the logic of why, the logic made sense. They don't have blind faith in their government. They actually make sense in a way where, what if you have a fascist government one day, and those gun laws could turn against you from protecting yourself from evil authority. In the most pragmatic sense, it's super pragmatic.

Over here, we happily surrender our guns, because we have total blind faith in our government to do right by us. Many US citizens do not. The rise of Trump is testiment to how corrupt people think the government is, that they don't trust politicians who are PR but trust a man who has no filter and just says anything and everything that floats from his brain to his mouth. They trust him more because of it.

There are alot other things you brought up, but it's not my country and I don't really want to go deeply into, as it will just go on and on and we'll never agree, because you're a lib and you believe in what you believe. But I also think obama care is impractical and a big failure. Obama didn't have a good strategy to handle a proper national health insurance. The way he did it caused premiums to rise, some companies to close down, and was impractical. The results speak for itself.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Feminist Terminology: Microaggression (3/6/2016 5:06:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
Criminalizing abortion?
Making it harder for Democrats to vote?
Opposing background checks for gun purchases?
Obamacare? (Yep... That was a Heritage foundation/Republican idea in the 9i0's)
How about repealing Obamacare and replacing it with... vapor?
Cap and trade? (Another Republican idea)
Oil subsidies?
Regime change in the Middle East?
Selling Iran nuclear technology? (Thanks Haliburton!)
Yes, lots of pragmatism here.

The gun culture thing is very uniquely American issue, and it's completely because of their own civil war history and why they feel like the government shouldn't have any rights to regulate their ownership of guns. Some cultures have their own little quirks. Alot of things are uniquely America, like the whole black and white issues too. That doesn't make any sense to any other cultures. So when I look at the logic of why, the logic made sense. They don't have blind faith in their government. They actually make sense in a way where, what if you have a fascist government one day, and those gun laws could turn against you from protecting yourself from evil authority. In the most pragmatic sense, it's super pragmatic.

Over here, we happily surrender our guns, because we have total blind faith in our government to do right by us. Many US citizens do not. The rise of Trump is testiment to how corrupt people think the government is, that they don't trust politicians who are PR but trust a man who has no filter and just says anything and everything that floats from his brain to his mouth. They trust him more because of it.

There are alot other things you brought up, but it's not my country and I don't really want to go deeply into, as it will just go on and on and we'll never agree, because you're a lib and you believe in what you believe. But I also think obama care is impractical and a big failure. Obama didn't have a good strategy to handle a proper national health insurance. The way he did it caused premiums to rise, some companies to close down, and was impractical. The results speak for itself.




Fair enough. However, I believe my point is made. Right leaning policies, (at least in the US) are purely ideological, and anything but pragmatic. We have a perfect model for this in the US: The state of Kansas.

Right leaning idea;:
Cutting taxes for the wealthy stimulates jobs. No study of economics to support it. No pragmatic fact-based, evidence whatsoever.
(Except for the constant misunderstood economic record of Ronald Reagan, who actually created jobs via economic stimulus in defense spending (I know. Mine was one of them), NOT by cutting taxes)

No pragmatism here. Pure ideology, and the resulting economic disaster. - Which is Kansas. Thank you Governor Brownback for demonstrating the failure of the Republican economic model.

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There are alot other things you brought up, but it's not my country and I don't really want to go deeply into, as it will just go on and on and we'll never agree, because you're a lib and you believe in what you believe. But I also think obama care is impractical and a big failure. Obama didn't have a good strategy to handle a proper national health insurance. The way he did it caused premiums to rise, some companies to close down, and was impractical. The results speak for itself.


One other note:
I am always amused, that whenever I bring up flaws in right-wing ideology, right-wingers automatically label me a "lib" to avoid defending the substance of this nonsense. Sorry, No, I am not a lib. I would consider myself the ultimate pragmatist. I call BS when I see it. I, am a problem solver. I don't give a damn about ideology.

Your comments about Obama care have merit. (Keep in mind Obamacare was a Republican/Heritage foundation idea, which Mitt Romney thought would scale to the entire US)

First of all Obamacare was watered down by Republicans (and some Democrats) in Congress in the pocket of the insurance lobby.

Secondly, premiums were rising before Obamacare and will continue to rise, as long as the fee-for-service model is king.

Thirdly, Obamacare's biggest achievement is to illustrate the failure of the fee-for-service model. The result? ACO's CIN's, Direct Primary Care, and other models either to block negotiate with or entirely BYPASS the insurance industry.


So, I would say, your point about Obamacare not being pragmatic (after it came out of Congress) is valid.




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