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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 8:35:01 AM

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The US Constitution is a limitation placed on government.

That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion.
The document describes the government and speaks both of it's unlimited " power and it's limits on some powers.

The delegates were generally convinced that an effective central government with a wide range of enforceable powers must replace the weaker Congress established by the Articles of Confederation.

The Constitution, originally comprising seven articles, delineates the national frame of government. Its first three articles entrench the doctrine of the separation of powers, whereby the federal government is divided into three branches: the legislative, consisting of the bicameral Congress; the executive, consisting of the President; and the judicial, consisting of the Supreme Court and other federal courts. Articles Four, Five and Six entrench concepts of federalism, describing the rights and responsibilities of state governments and of the states in relationship to the federal government. Article Seven establishes the procedure subsequently used by the thirteen States to ratify it.

Since the Constitution came into force in 1789, it has been amended twenty-seven times.[2] In general, the first ten amendments, known collectively as the Bill of Rights, offer specific protections of individual liberty and justice and place restrictions on the powers of government.[3][4] The majority of the seventeen later amendments expand individual civil rights protections. Others address issues related to federal authority or modify government processes and procedures.

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Perhaps if you were to read the document you would not make such stupid statements.

The vast majority of laws are limitations placed on John Q. Public.

Perhaps a closer reading of the document might lead you to notice that there are limitations placed on jqp by the document
Huge difference.

Only in your ignorant opinion.

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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 8:36:30 AM

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for the record, its a stretch to call Taft/Roosevelt republicans when they split from the republicans to form the progressive party....

You're making shit up. Taft was a lifelong Republican. Teddy Roosevelt formed the Progressive Party (Bull Moose Party) when he split with Taft and the Republicans.

I am pretty sure it was robert lafollet who formed the progressive party and teddy roosevelt who co-opted it for the bmp.

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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 8:41:05 AM

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The Progressive Party (the Bull Moose party) petered out almost right away. LaFollettes was some 10-15 years later.

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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 8:45:25 AM

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Trying to conserve what we once had is bad ?

Do you want to bring back genocide and slavery?

Now that you mention it, YES.

Enslave criminals, you got the fucking balls to go and take things from others because you are stronger, well we'll show you what the fuck THAT is all about.

We never stoped doing that....but then you knew that. The question was about slavery of our past...do you wish to bring that back?

And genocide ? Don't let fucking octomom come here. I would have killed the bitch after like six kids. The fuck she thinks she is ?

I am pretty sure she thinks she is a female citizen of amerika where punkassmotherfuckers want to murder her because she is black.

You want the world fixed or not ? You cannot keep doing it the way you are doing it, why is that so fucking hard to understand ?

You seem not to have a clue as to how it was or what has changed.

The not worthy of survival, as defined by being not able to survive, must perish.

So if someone shoots you in the head that would be proof to you that you do not deserve to survive?

It is a law of nature and what has produced viable species on this planet.

You seem to have a limited grasp on the concept of evolution.

This is a law of nature and cannot be broken, at least for too long.

And really, whether the species was not viable or the environment was not good enough matters not. Not one bit.

So the fact that your head is not bullet proof means you are not good enough and do not deserve anything to sustain you.

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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 8:52:04 AM

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for the record, its a stretch to call Taft/Roosevelt republicans when they split from the republicans to form the progressive party....

You're making shit up. Taft was a lifelong Republican. Teddy Roosevelt formed the Progressive Party (Bull Moose Party) when he split with Taft and the Republicans.

I am pretty sure it was robert lafollet who formed the progressive party and teddy roosevelt who co-opted it for the bmp.

Nope. Check the link above.

La Foilet formed an earlier coalition to oppose the Republican establishment, but that was a separate entity.

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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 9:00:04 AM

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I will say that their aims (most of them) were admirable and alike in both versions.

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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 9:49:22 AM

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I am pretty sure it was robert lafollet who formed the progressive party and teddy roosevelt who co-opted it for the bmp.
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Nope. Check the link above.

La Foilet formed an earlier coalition to oppose the Republican establishment, but that was a separate entity.
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This is from a rather interesting book called "unreasonable men".

The Republican Party stood at the brink of a civil war. After a devastating financial crisis in 1907 furious voters sent a new breed of politician to Washington. These young Republican firebrands led by “Fighting Bob” La Follette of Wisconsin vowed to overthrow the party leaders and purge Wall Street’s corrupting influence from Washington. Their opponents called them “radicals,” “demagogues,” and “fanatics.” They called themselves Progressives.

President Theodore Roosevelt disapproved of La Follette’s confrontational methods. Fearful of splitting the party, he compromised with “Uncle Joe” Cannon, the powerful Speaker of the House, and Nelson Aldrich, the master of the Senate, to pass modest reforms. But as La Follette’s crusade gathered momentum, the country polarized, and the middle ground melted away. Three years after the end of his presidency, Roosevelt embraced La Follette’s militant tactics and went to war against the Republican establishment, bringing him face to face with his handpicked successor, William Taft. Their epic battle shattered the Republican Party and permanently realigned the electorate, dividing the country into two camps: Progressive and Conservative.

Unreasonable Men takes us into the heart of the epic power struggle that created the progressive movement and defined modern American politics. Recounting the fateful clash between the pragmatic Roosevelt and the radical La Follette, Wolraich’s riveting narrative reveals how a few Republican insurgents broke the conservative chokehold on Congress and initiated the greatest period of political change in America’s history.
http://www.michaelwolraich.com/

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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 10:08:12 AM

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Interesting stuff Huntie, I am gonna hafta give that one a read.

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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 10:10:21 AM

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Do you want to bring back genocide and slavery?

When, exactly, do you think it went out of style?

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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 10:18:20 AM

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for the record, its a stretch to call Taft/Roosevelt republicans when they split from the republicans to form the progressive party....

You're making shit up. Taft was a lifelong Republican. Teddy Roosevelt formed the Progressive Party (Bull Moose Party) when he split with Taft and the Republicans.

Look mate. Taft and Rooseveldt were early progressives. They had a falling out, Rooseveldt formed the Progressive party - but that doesn't mean Taft didn't originally have the same views - Taft broke up US Steel - friends of Rooseveldt's.

Most of the people that joined the progressive party ended up bolting for the Democrats around '42. As it says in wiki, if you read the history of the progressive party.

As I said, while Taft was a republican - measured by the standards of today he would be a democrat. About 1/3 of the republicans bolted for the progressives; and they ended up as democrats. While taft stayed a lifelong republican, his beliefs were nonetheless liberal/democrat.

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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 10:27:37 AM

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Taft was no Roosevelt.

Republicans of today measured by any standard are communists and nutsuckers. Not republican, not conservative.

http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/politics-reform/resources/william-h-taft-recalls-dispute-with-theodore-roosevelt-1922

Teddy might have thought this was his guy, but Taft decidedly was not progressive, he was the man who brought us the individual income tax. Teddy was not amused.

They actually had a hell of a row.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/votr.htm
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1912-republican-convention-855607/?no-ist

Taft was not a progressive.

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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 10:33:04 AM

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Do you want to bring back genocide and slavery?

When, exactly, do you think it went out of style?

We are not speaking of style here but legally sanctioned actions. Legal genocide was stopped "officially" in 1924. Slavery with the 13 ammendment

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RE: OMFG...... - 3/7/2016 10:35:40 AM

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http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/03/07/mitt-romney-files-fec-paperwork-to-run-in-2016-election/

And speaking of taft and roosevelt you got the nutsuckers in bizzaro world.

Start renaming the post-offices Hillary, nutsuckers. A good xtian is girding his loins with magic underpants and will assist in the party's implosion.

YOU. CAN'T. MAKE. THIS. SHIT. UP.

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