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First: I did not dispute that gains were not being made against ISIL. I disputed that the figures Mr. Rodgers presented as figures for US operations, were in fact NOT US operations. And so they have no bearing on whether or not the US military has been decimated or not.

To know that would imply you have.....FULL ACCESS....to classified military information from the Pentagon. Care to admit the details?

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Dude, you....IMPLY.....all the time. You thought your argument was so subtle that no one would 'get it'. [blah blah blah]

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Phy, you can do better than this.

March 3, 2016 11:38 AM
ARLINGTON, Va. — The Navy is in the midst of a massive shipbuilding spree, with 65 ships across eight shipyards under contract or in construction today – but maintaining that pace in the short-term and trying to replicate or even accelerate it for the next generation of surface combatants presents the Navy and industry with some serious challenges, officials said. HERE

Active duty personell: 2001 1,385,116 to fight two wars !!
2002 1,413,577
2007 1,380,082
2011 1,468,364 HERE
2015 1,400,000 HERE

Mr. Rodgers, I'm not sure where anything you just quoted disputed anything I just said.

Despite building 65 ships (and retiring 40 some) the US Navy will still not break the 300 mark. Its trying like hell to maintain 10 carrier groups, but I don't think its going to be possible, when one of the carriers goes in for a fuel refit. To that, a lack of escorts. The US is building arleigh burkes which were originally to be retired.

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B-52's.....In September 2011, North Dakota Senator John Hoeven announced that the Senate Appropriations Committee had approved $88 million for further upgrades to the 76 B-52H bombers that remain out of the total production run of 744 aircraft.

So you're agreeing we have 76 B-52's. Out of the original run of 744. As I said. And?

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Trying to pretend that our military is severely depleted is not only fatuous but just more ridiculous, unmitigated, partisan bullshit.

Mr. Rodgers. The army had a reduction of 29% in BCT in FY 2013 alone. The 2016 index of US Military strength is "weak" (google). Only 30 % of Army BCT's are combat ready.

The US needs on average of 21 BCT's for a modest deployment. We have 32. Of these, only 12 are ready for action.

Nothing I have said is inaccurate or misleading. If you want to contest that the US military is historically weak - find some creditable source that ranks it as such.

And no, comparisons to other countries is not an appropriate measure. We have obligations in korea, europe; in other words- compare current strength vs our historical strength.

Simply put, Obama has not devastated our military by the numbers

The budget control act of 2011 cut 487 billion. Sequestration cut an additional 495 billion.

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You had the A-10 scrapped, it is not.

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/house-panel-votes-to-scrap-a-10-warthog-1.288117

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Like I've said, going after Obama is partisan BS.

Here is my entire first note. Please find a single comment I made going after obama:

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It helps if you read more than democrat talking points Mr. Rodgers.

Those are the combat figures for all operations by both us and our allies.


As for our devestated military,

In 1993, our navy had 454 ships, with 13 carriers.
In 2015, we have 271 ships with 10 carriers.

In 1992 we had 1.9 millon active duty service men. In 2014 we were down to 1.4 million.

We have 76 B-52's. The airforce rates these planes suitable for 45% of missions.
We have 20 B-2's. 9 can fly. Three are available for service.
We have 62 B-1's. They have a 58% readiness - meaning roughly 32.
We've scrapped the A-10.

Trying to pretend that our military is anything but severely depleted is fatuous

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"The world has changed. The odds of great power war have declined dramatically.

Says who? South china sea, north korea, crimea, baltic states, ukraine, yemen, syria, ..

Its funny. The DOD rates threats to US military as extreme, so I'm wondering who your all knowing source is...

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Phy, you simply are not able to be objective and look for partisan prate on it seems...every issue. Time to be objective. Anytime any country draws down after wars, personnel comes way down. Was the US military weak as of 1945-46 because millions left the army and we decommissioned ships ? Was our military devastated under Eisenhower when we left Korea ?

Look mate. The entire start of this thread was I pointed out that your post was bull shit. You were trying to say that the "Operation Inherent Resolve" showed american successes; you tried to argue there for that the US military wasn't decimated.

The facts stand unchanged: The operation IR numbers are for all nations, not the US alone.

And you have no counter for the fact that the pentagons own review of capabilities and readiness rate the army as weak. I have quoted actual Pentagon reviews. You have no counter, except to pound the table.