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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/9/2016 6:11:59 PM   
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Well, thank the gods it was a semi-comedy programme, so he saved a bit of face by just deadpanning, but he was serious. He's an American comedian in U.K. by the name of Rich Hall. He looked totally baffled when told who DID invent those things though.

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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/9/2016 6:18:14 PM   
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I take it from this rant that you do not believe in protecting the environment. Luckily, morons who believe this way are in a minority.



As near as I can tell you invent whatever meaning you want from any post anyway. Ignoring, that I have more than 30 years experience in green companies.
But sure. Knock yourself out.


I invented light. Ddn't have access to no stinkin drywall and paper, neither.

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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/9/2016 6:25:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

I happen to agree with you about the issues at the FDA. Bigger than the issues you mentioned in my mind were the hiring of the Monsanto guy.

As for the rest of it- I'm pro clean air; pro environment; anti big government; anti entitlement (corporate or individual).
I'm pro-life; anti deficit financing; anti-gmo.

Anti-H1B's; pro-immigrant (strongy); anti illegal immigrant(strongly). Anti corruption - which means I'm strongly anti union and anti democrat at the moment.

Pro christian; You can do what you want to your body but that doesn't change your sex. Anti political correctness, anti-reparations.

I'd like racism to get cleaned up in sentencing, believe we should reduce the numbers of people in jail by having more choices than jail for criminal offenses.
Pro tort reform. Pro fusion. Pro fission. Anti solar/wind because they are job killers and increase pollution by exporting jobs to china.

I believe that trade bills should be renegotiated; big corporations (and big banks) should be smaller. So should unions.

I believe in profit sharing for employees. And term limits for govt parasites.


One of the difficulties of 4 year administrations and a 6 year term is the short sightedness of the whole deal, something that was bemoaned by more than 1 or 2 of the founding fathers. So, when casting about for administration offices, the simpletonian and expedient view becomes .......gee, who's an expert in the stock market? Joe Kennedy, he raped everyone, he is good, boy....OK, put him in charge of the SEC....ad nauseam. And dealing with that you eventually always get the fox watching the chicken coop, because the president and the legislature, and the judiciary cannot or will not see everything that goes on, the focus is not always everywhere at once.

Phydeaux, I will say that I agree with about half or a little more of your post. there are some things you posted here I am dead set against, but......someday, compromise for reasonable people, with reasonable prescriptions, regardless of the machinery under which these principles operate will again come into vogue.

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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/9/2016 7:11:13 PM   
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Ignoring, that I have more than 30 years experience in green companies.


Of course you do.



LOL.. because everyone that loves the environment must think like you do, eh?

Or is it just that you're such an idiotic troll that you contest things you have no knowledge of. You get off making post after post, attacking people, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation. You have no facts, no studies; you don't read, you don't cite.

Instead, you imagine vitriol, and imagine somehow this impresses people, or makes you a big shot. Hardly. It makes you a little man, taking cheap shots at people.

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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/9/2016 7:14:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



Ignoring, that I have more than 30 years experience in green companies.


Of course you do.


LOL.. because everyone that loves the environment must think like you do, eh?

Or is it just that you're such an idiotic troll that you contest things you have no knowledge of. You get off making post after post, attacking people, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation. You have no facts, no studies; you don't read, you don't cite.

Instead, you imagine vitriol, and imagine somehow this impresses people, or makes you a big shot. Hardly. It makes you a little man, taking cheap shots at people.

Pointing out your ignorance, half truths and whole lies seems to irritate you to no end.

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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/9/2016 7:22:56 PM   
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yeh everyone thinks marconi invented radio


No they do not. Some people think marconi invented the radio.

Tesla was delighted with Marconi's progress. He was using 17 of Tesla's patents. Didn't get all of the patent situation straightened out until just at the time of Tesla'a death.

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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/9/2016 7:25:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

I happen to agree with you about the issues at the FDA. Bigger than the issues you mentioned in my mind were the hiring of the Monsanto guy.

As for the rest of it- I'm pro clean air; pro environment; anti big government; anti entitlement (corporate or individual).
I'm pro-life; anti deficit financing; anti-gmo.

Anti-H1B's; pro-immigrant (strongy); anti illegal immigrant(strongly). Anti corruption - which means I'm strongly anti union and anti democrat at the moment.

Pro christian; You can do what you want to your body but that doesn't change your sex. Anti political correctness, anti-reparations.

I'd like racism to get cleaned up in sentencing, believe we should reduce the numbers of people in jail by having more choices than jail for criminal offenses.
Pro tort reform. Pro fusion. Pro fission. Anti solar/wind because they are job killers and increase pollution by exporting jobs to china.

I believe that trade bills should be renegotiated; big corporations (and big banks) should be smaller. So should unions.

I believe in profit sharing for employees. And term limits for govt parasites.


One of the difficulties of 4 year administrations and a 6 year term is the short sightedness of the whole deal, something that was bemoaned by more than 1 or 2 of the founding fathers. So, when casting about for administration offices, the simpletonian and expedient view becomes .......gee, who's an expert in the stock market? Joe Kennedy, he raped everyone, he is good, boy....OK, put him in charge of the SEC....ad nauseam. And dealing with that you eventually always get the fox watching the chicken coop, because the president and the legislature, and the judiciary cannot or will not see everything that goes on, the focus is not always everywhere at once.

Phydeaux, I will say that I agree with about half or a little more of your post. there are some things you posted here I am dead set against, but......someday, compromise for reasonable people, with reasonable prescriptions, regardless of the machinery under which these principles operate will again come into vogue.


I agree with you about the problems of a 4 / 6 year administration. Agree that short term compensation packages skew wall street compensation packages also.

I think current election law serves to protect current office holders and raise the bar against admission, which in turn increases the value of lobbyists. One of my idea of reforms would be giving certain powers to the party that is out of power.

For example - if the democrats were in power - all the inspector generals would be appointed by republicans (or other parties). Perhaps franking privileges would be suspended for incumbents within 3 months of an election; competitors would be funded to the same level by the public as incumbents.

Thank you for a reasonable post mnotter. If I were ever to run for office - it would be on the basis of exactly what you just said. There are enough things that all americans can agree on - to work on those together - and put off the things that we don't agree on till later.

You probably don't agree on my position on global warming - thats fine. But we can both agree that flaring gas needs to be reduced.
You won't agree with my positions on unions -but we can agree that we unions can do a good job training people for vocations - such as electrians, HVAC, carpentry.

Etc.

It is far easiier to demonzie your opponents than it is to build consensus. It would be my hope that in the future you and I can use our brains to find better common solutions. We won't always agree - but for my part, I will try to do so respectfully.

Phy

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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/9/2016 7:27:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

quote:


Ignoring, that I have more than 30 years experience in green companies.


Of course you do.



LOL.. because everyone that loves the environment must think like you do, eh?

Or is it just that you're such an idiotic troll that you contest things you have no knowledge of. You get off making post after post, attacking people, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation. You have no facts, no studies; you don't read, you don't cite.

Instead, you imagine vitriol, and imagine somehow this impresses people, or makes you a big shot. Hardly. It makes you a little man, taking cheap shots at people.


Let us stipulate that you love the environment to such an extent that when you wipe your ass, after you shit, you do it upon every occasion you make excrement in the usual human way, not saying.......I know I am gonna take a shit tomorrow, and why bother, let them dingleberries hang until it becomes an issue of critical mass. We (and I am sure I say this without fear of contradiction) know of nobody who has died from not wiping their ass for the balance of their life. So, just for the dignity of that, if we shit up our air, or water. or our ground, shouldnt we be good stewards and immediately do all within our power to right it, and not count on future generations to bear our burden? then for that reason and no other, clean up your own shit you make, without sorrow, regardless of cost, regardless of any external or internal reason, so your kids dont have to clean up your shit.

/end of convo

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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/9/2016 8:39:34 PM   
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Generally speaking Mnotter, I agree that should leave the planet as good as we found it.

This means we don't dump pcb's in the ocean.
We don't permit hexavalent chrome to be dumped into the air.
We mitigate the effects of Nox pollution.
We don't leave trillion dollar deficits for our kids.


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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/9/2016 9:30:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

I happen to agree with you about the issues at the FDA. Bigger than the issues you mentioned in my mind were the hiring of the Monsanto guy.

As for the rest of it- I'm pro clean air; pro environment; anti big government; anti entitlement (corporate or individual).
I'm pro-life; anti deficit financing; anti-gmo.

Anti-H1B's; pro-immigrant (strongy); anti illegal immigrant(strongly). Anti corruption - which means I'm strongly anti union and anti democrat at the moment.

Pro christian; You can do what you want to your body but that doesn't change your sex. Anti political correctness, anti-reparations.

I'd like racism to get cleaned up in sentencing, believe we should reduce the numbers of people in jail by having more choices than jail for criminal offenses.
Pro tort reform. Pro fusion. Pro fission. Anti solar/wind because they are job killers and increase pollution by exporting jobs to china.

I believe that trade bills should be renegotiated; big corporations (and big banks) should be smaller. So should unions.

I believe in profit sharing for employees. And term limits for govt parasites.


One of the difficulties of 4 year administrations and a 6 year term is the short sightedness of the whole deal, something that was bemoaned by more than 1 or 2 of the founding fathers. So, when casting about for administration offices, the simpletonian and expedient view becomes .......gee, who's an expert in the stock market? Joe Kennedy, he raped everyone, he is good, boy....OK, put him in charge of the SEC....ad nauseam. And dealing with that you eventually always get the fox watching the chicken coop, because the president and the legislature, and the judiciary cannot or will not see everything that goes on, the focus is not always everywhere at once.

Phydeaux, I will say that I agree with about half or a little more of your post. there are some things you posted here I am dead set against, but......someday, compromise for reasonable people, with reasonable prescriptions, regardless of the machinery under which these principles operate will again come into vogue.


I agree with you about the problems of a 4 / 6 year administration. Agree that short term compensation packages skew wall street compensation packages also.

I think current election law serves to protect current office holders and raise the bar against admission, which in turn increases the value of lobbyists. One of my idea of reforms would be giving certain powers to the party that is out of power.

For example - if the democrats were in power - all the inspector generals would be appointed by republicans (or other parties). Perhaps franking privileges would be suspended for incumbents within 3 months of an election; competitors would be funded to the same level by the public as incumbents.

Thank you for a reasonable post mnotter. If I were ever to run for office - it would be on the basis of exactly what you just said. There are enough things that all americans can agree on - to work on those together - and put off the things that we don't agree on till later.

You probably don't agree on my position on global warming - thats fine. But we can both agree that flaring gas needs to be reduced.
You won't agree with my positions on unions -but we can agree that we unions can do a good job training people for vocations - such as electrians, HVAC, carpentry.

Etc.

It is far easiier to demonzie your opponents than it is to build consensus. It would be my hope that in the future you and I can use our brains to find better common solutions. We won't always agree - but for my part, I will try to do so respectfully.

Phy




Look, on that one issue...flaring gas, there is no issue far as I am concerned, I am a conservative, boys, if you cant get it out of the ground in good order, fuck you and period. let us sit down and reason together. I'm a dad, and a grandad, never thought I would be here and you are younger than I , but might go so far as grandad, and I really dont need shit in life, I am fine, and as a conservative what do I leave for my children to enjoy the life and OPPORTUNITY I HAVE had? Perhaps they can do better with natual gas than I have, I know they are smart motherfuckers, and I shouldnt just flare the shit off cuz I cant use it, to get at what I can, I need to conserve the shit around me for others to have an equal opportunity. No libertarian communist shit in my bones, there was no document ..I the People. in real and factual disagreement, you and I aint a fucking jack off spot on the carbuncle of life. Yet, we both want our kids to grow up with the same OPPORTUNITY we had, and fucked up. They have a right to exist. If your freedom is to use the shit up of everyting just because you can and fuck our decendants, that aint conservative and that aint republican. I have no problem, whatsoever with From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs, which did not originate with marx nor does it mean what most people think.. I am going to quit right here..

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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/10/2016 7:04:11 AM   
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Just when you think you’ve seen every manifestation of incompetence, corruption and dishonesty that’s possible in a government agency, the Environmental Protection Agency comes up with something new and different. This time it’s violations of federal law by engaging in “covert propaganda” and “grassroots lobbying.”
Government Accountability Office investigators found that the EPA illegally used Thunderclap, a social media site, “to correct what [EPA] viewed as misinformation.” Government use of social media is not unlawful per se; many agencies use it to communicate their actions and policies to the public. But the EPA crossed the line when it asked members of the public to share EPA-composed propaganda on Facebook or Twitter without attributing it to the government.



Are you kidding me?

they were out in droves on every media website site (and still are) planting disinformation about 911 to the functionally retarded america. Despite nists admission of symetrical freefall which can ONLY happen in a demolition America still doesnt get it that it was an inside job. Not only refusing to distribute the model data so we can check it (peer review) but worse its so wrong the result dont remotely match the actual event. Anyone in jail? Oh they got promoted instead!

So now our science and engineering is politicized.

How about the FDA?
Burzinski with his proven cancer cure using antineoplastons, where they restricted his sales severely limited his ability to research and practice, and if that is not bad enough they stole his fucking patents! That right they filed patents right over the top of his under their name!

How about Steven Avery, imprisoned innocent man, the gubblemint guilty as sin, failed to put him away on false charges the first time so they set him up by murdering a gal.

There is no end to the corruption from the beat cop to those unkowns who own the gubblemint!


But RealOne, it's part of American lore now and there will never be a grand jury. It's up to us from now on to battle the neocons every step and for as long as we can until the authors who got their 'new Pearl Harbor' and Plan for a New American Century...all die off. And also disregard all of the prime time and movie media propagating fear of terrorism even if the women are beautiful and smoking hot.

Stop and reverse the militarization of all law enforcement and I understand even some of the generals (younger) are beginning to wise up, and the 4TH Reich will fail to coalesce. (think about that one, if the generals turn on the neocons, then there may be hope) Corruption at that level without the Army...has nothing. Even Caesar had to learn that one...and quick.

Then it will be a slow march back to the country we grew up in but one living in a sort of conservative progressivism.



well when you boil it all down we have in general terms 2 factions that have been put up against each other for our entertainment in this country since its inception and they control. the commies and nazis, which in either case mostly ignore individual rights and subject them to mob control. They are 2 sides of the same coin, neither of which work for us and certainly not for individual rights, just look at the latest issue of nazi fbi guidelines posted in the other thread. Its a big club and you and I (the 'People") are not in it.



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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/10/2016 9:43:59 AM   
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Commies in 1776???who knew?
Nazis in 1776???whoknew?

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RE: A government large enough to ensure your security - 3/10/2016 2:05:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Commies in 1776???who knew?
Nazis in 1776???whoknew?


If one looks at the historical 'big picture' one discovers that very likely Rothschild whose original changed his name to that, understood maybe having read all about it or just by deduction, (as one astute philosopher said, there is addition and subtraction, the rest is conversation) that...as was the case in Florence, Italy (some 300 yrs prior) circa 1400's, did what ? He saw the Medicis clearly in bed with a corrupt Vatican, began taking [its] deposits and dominating what was then at least Europe's largest city and most christian/religous 'state' and you could easily guess it, banking...the writing was on the wall.

You control banking and of course that means through something called 'central' banking...you control the world. We live in a world now that has only 3 countries that could but do not have a Rothschild owned central bank. As far as I am concerned, the rest and in all likelihood, since Napoleon...is merely conversation.

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