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Phydeaux -> Why exactly is the Obama Administration claiming executive privilege in the bankruptcy of Fannie Mae (3/9/2016 10:02:06 AM)

So the saga of how the democrats used Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as democrat slush funds hasn't gotten a lot of air play.

Quite a few things should strike voters as .. interesting. 9 years after the bailouts of AIG, Freddie and Fannie - AIG has been recapitalized. Freddie and Fannie - not so much. The government continues "owning" Freddie and Fannie.

Existing stockholders have sued for discovery of documents. But the Obama administration has failed to produce more than 10,000 pages, citing executive privilege. More than a million pages have been classified so that shareholders (and, of course, the public) cannot see them.

It couldn't possibly be because there are damning documents that show the loans to democratic congressmen, could it?
It couldn't possibly be because Fannie and Freddie knowingly participated in subprime loans that they knew minorities would not be able to be replay.

It couldn't possibly be because of huge (and potentially illegal) contributions.

Of course not.


Fund manager on Fannie and Freddie: People are going to call this 'The Big Lie'
Business Insider By Julia La Roche
3 hours ago
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.Bruce Berkowitz
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Florida-based equity fund manager Bruce Berkowitz, the founder of Fairholme Capital, has slammed the US government over its handling of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
It's what some people will eventually call "The Big Lie," he said, referring to the best-selling Michael Lewis book and Oscar-winning film "The Big Short."

Berkowitz spoke during a Q&A session with Bill Ackman, the founder of Pershing Square, at the Harbor Investment Conference at the AXA Equitable Building in Midtown Manhattan on Tuesday. Ackman owns common stock of Fannie and Freddie.

During the financial crisis, the mortgage guarantors Fannie and Freddie needed massive bailouts and were taken over by the government.

It has been seven years since the financial crisis, and the companies are still in a state of conservatorship. The government-sponsored enterprises now make billions in profits (about $15 billion collectively), all of which goes directly to the Treasury. Some of that money has been used to pay down the deficit, Berkowitz said. And none of it goes to the other shareholders.

Berkowitz, who owns preferred shares of both Fannie and Freddie and some common stock, said Fannie and Freddie should have been "a replay of AIG." AIG nearly failed during the financial crisis and had to be bailed out by the US government. The insurance giant went public again in 2011, and by the end of 2012 the Treasury had sold its remaining shares.

"The question is: Why wasn't it a replay?" Berkowitz said.

Berkowitz is among a group of investors who have filed a lawsuit against the US government over Fannie and Freddie.

On the litigation side, a big part of the fight centers on what it means to be a conservator, Berkowitz said.

A conservator is someone who is supposed to conserve and preserve and take care of an estate the same way that a doctor is supposed to build a healthy patient. And the government has argued, 'No, no, no. We can do whatever we want as a conservator. We can take the money, we can give it to our cousin, we can put it in a pile, we can light it on fire, we have dictatorial powers ... You cannot stop us from doing anything.' Our argument is, 'You're supposed to be a conservator, right, you're supposed to be like a doctor who's supposed to help the patient, and you're saying, oh, you're a doctor and you can kill the patient, and that's OK because you have the right to kill the patient. You have the right to take the patient's organs and sell them to somebody else for money. That's fine. That's pretty stupid, OK. It's illogical. It doesn't work that way. That's a big part of the fight.

It's hard to fight the government, he added.

"They're being very stubborn over stuff that's pretty stupid," he said.

As part of the litigation, the investors have received over 1 million documents they can't look at. Only their lawyers can see them. There are about 10,000 documents they're seeking, but the government won't give them to the courts, he said.

"They claim it's about national security," Berkowitz said. "They claim it's executive privilege ... We've seen this in other instances where you're guilty you just claim: 'You can't see it. National secret. We can't show you that we're wrong. You can't see it.'"

He expects the investors to get these documents in the next couple of months. He also called it a complicated story.

"There are thousands and thousands of facts. And in some ways, that's bad because it makes the story more confusing," he said. "And there are other stories involved here. Of course this all picks up from 'The Big Short.' And now we're into what some people are going to call 'The Big Lie' as to what's going on."

He added that the investors needed to get more people to understand that it's important.

"Because think about it — If we don't win, what does it mean for the ownership of any security?" he said.

"I mean ownership become an illusion. If some type of regulated entity can be taken over by a few misguided narcissists in the government in order to help somebody do something for their own personal gain, what does it mean to own a bank stock? What does it mean to own an electric utility? Because after all, Fannie and Freddie are just utilities and they should be treated as utilities with a cost-plus model."

Berkowitz said at some point we'll find out "how crazy this whole cover-up is."




mnottertail -> RE: Why exactly is the Obama Administration claiming executive privilege in the bankruptcy of Fannie Mae (3/9/2016 10:17:56 AM)

Nope, it couldnt be. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were at their inception government agencies designed to take belly up mortgages off of banks hands.

They were taken into receivership by a nutsucker administration, the one that caused the total collapse of our economy.

The deal was made in and amongst the nutsuckers and if anyone goes to jail or is involved in wrongdoing, it is the nutsucker administration.

So, some stockholders are thinking their shit dont stink, but their breath gives them away every time. FannieMae and FreddieMac stock is like buying a lottery ticket, they dont have a chance of getting any money until the citizenry of the United States is paid back.





Phydeaux -> RE: Why exactly is the Obama Administration claiming executive privilege in the bankruptcy of Fannie Mae (3/9/2016 10:32:30 AM)

LOL..

Fanny and Freddie borrowed 187Billion. They have paid back 239 billion. Nice try tho.




mnottertail -> RE: Why exactly is the Obama Administration claiming executive privilege in the bankruptcy of Fannie Mae (3/9/2016 10:40:31 AM)

Wow, cheap mortgage buyback so far. thats only 29 points over 8 years simple.

When the mortgage companies will loan 3.25 simple interest on a citizens mortgage, I would let them off the hook.

America is not a communist nutsucker country, nice try though.

We want our interest over those years because it cost the citizens interest for the nutsucker borrowing and spending.




mnottertail -> RE: Why exactly is the Obama Administration claiming executive privilege in the bankruptcy of Fannie Mae (3/9/2016 10:45:59 AM)

Further why the fuck should we kowtow to minor stockholders, they could have went belly up on their stock altogether if the Obama administration hadnt straightened out these constant and continual nutsucker fuck ups.

Washington mutual? that stock wasnt held together, there were others.


They are lucky the government has them along for the ride. They will get theirs.




MrRodgers -> RE: Why exactly is the Obama Administration claiming executive privilege in the bankruptcy of Fannie Mae (3/9/2016 12:28:35 PM)

Never ceases to amaze how the propaganda takes hold. The whole idea behind any govt. sponsored enterprise (GSE) is to give the investor class a govt. guaranteed return on their investment. What could be better than a free market, then a govt. guaranteed 'free market ?' [sic] Better yet, will call it yet another liberal govt. program to help the little guy by a $500,000 McMansion.

So hey, I have an idea, let's create a govt. guaranteed mortgage warehouse (Freddie & Fannie) to set certain slightly flexible terms upon which to buy get this...govt. guaranteed mortgages.

What's that you say ? What happens if some real slick (corrupt) operators come up with some questionable (shit paper) mortgages and they get bundled into equally questionable (shit paper) securities say...called MBS's or mortgaged backed securities and even worse...they get a bullshit AAA rating on wall street ? Well yea, so what if that happens ?

Well say the operators at our GSE (Freddie & Fannie) get caught up in the frenzy to cash in quickly and try to qualify for big bonuses and before anybody smells the shit ? You mean, what happens if GSE management also turn out to be greedy capitalist scum like those slick operators ? Yea man !!

Well somebody will step in and stop...the shit. Surely the states Attys general will go after the shit paper mortgages. But what happens if the DOJ goes to court and uses an 1863 OCC law to stop them and it fucking works ?

When then...you're fucked or I should say...the taxpayer is yet again, fucked. [they'll] have to bail out your GSE's.

I live in Vegas and if HAD to bet on this, I'd bet that Obama is protecting some bankers fraudulent dealings with Freddie and Fannie.




Termyn8or -> RE: Why exactly is the Obama Administration claiming executive privilege in the bankruptcy of Fannie Mae (3/9/2016 12:39:07 PM)

FR

All these people need to be taken out and shot. Let's wait until the weather gets a little warmer.

T^T




MrRodgers -> RE: Why exactly is the Obama Administration claiming executive privilege in the bankruptcy of Fannie Mae (3/9/2016 5:05:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

All these people need to be taken out and shot. Let's wait until the weather gets a little warmer.

T^T

No, tarred feathered, bankrupt and in the streets would really teach them a lesson.




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