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Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/14/2016 1:22:06 PM

DudeA

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So basically, what I want to know is...

1. Do subs feel pleasure-pleasure, as in like, the pleasure of having an orgasm, or the pleasure of eating an ice-cream, when they're in pain?

Or...

2. Is it more of a psychological pleasure, like "Look at how much I'm suffering for X!"?

3. Can you describe what you're feeling or going through, when your dominant has sex with you, or plays a scene etc, but in a way that you would be in pain?

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/14/2016 3:16:54 PM

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Subs no, masochists yes.

Some people enjoy suffering for their partner.
Others enjoy the endorphin release.
Some enjoy challenging themselves to see how much they can take.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/14/2016 4:31:46 PM

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Some do, some don't, it all depends. Personally I do get pleasure pleasure from some forms of pain.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/14/2016 4:42:40 PM

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I'm sure some do but if I'm not wrong what causes the pleasure is either enduring the challenge or the excess of endorphin when the pain ends.

you can compare it to what any athlete feels when competing (extra points if he wins and/or if it was a close call) or when practicing any extreme sport or doing whatever activity that causes the body to release adrenalin and endorphin.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/14/2016 7:16:43 PM

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the pain helps me to focus on the now and to ignore all other stimulus as i relax and trust my owner i lose track of time and the pain becomes just more endorphins flooding my brain till i get to the point of letting go and flying in subspace. my adhd meds dont let me stay in space long but it is better im on them. as a sub i get the ability of letting go of everything it is such a awsome feeling so yes the pain does become pleasure after a while but the space time is just one reason i enjoy it my owner enjoys giving the pain and so i get to enjoy that as well

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/14/2016 8:03:30 PM

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Subs no, masochists yes.

Some masochists, perhaps. Not all masochists process pain as pleasure.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/15/2016 7:55:44 AM

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1. Do subs feel pleasure-pleasure, as in like, the pleasure of having an orgasm, or the pleasure of eating an ice-cream, when they're in pain?

I process certain types of sensations that other people would describe as 'painful' as pleasurable.
I don't register these things as 'pain' I only register them as a sensation I find enjoyable.

For the most part, I only do this within a certain context -ie a sensation that I find pleasurable within BDSM play might not be pleasurable if it's caused by accident by an inanimate object outside of play, though sometimes it does.

Heavy thud is a good example. I generally translate fist punches on fleshy parts of my body as pleasurable during play. When receiving those, there is no pain involved, only pleasure. Outside of play it's hit and miss whether a likening thuddy sensation is going to register as pain or pleasure.

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2. Is it more of a psychological pleasure, like "Look at how much I'm suffering for X!"?

That too, but for me, it's generally not 'for X' but 'for me'. I can get an endorphin high, similar to a runners high, by pushing through pain.
When I do, the 'pain' part of the sensation fades away, and because it dulls, the only thing left is the sensation of the endorphin high.
It's not so much that I make pain turn into pleasure in those cases, but that I ignore the pain, and focus on the pleasurable sensations (of the endorphin high) instead, making me no longer notice the pain.

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3. Can you describe what you're feeling or going through, when your dominant has sex with you, or plays a scene etc, but in a way that you would be in pain?

If I'm genuinely suffering (which is rare, because I can't get most men to push it too the point where I'm genuinely suffering because of the pain management techniques listed above) what washes over me are deep feelings of surrender. A sort of 'giving into' the pain, and experiencing it in full, instead of continuing to try to avoid it.

When I get there (which again is rare) it's an extremely humbling and submissive experience.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/15/2016 9:03:46 AM

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Some people just like being wrecked....The reason are many and complex. But numero uno is the fact they are already wrecked: often by life experiences - sure some of them are horrific. It must be tempered with some people like to wreck for pretty much the same reasons. Inevitably they seek each other out to continue the full circle.

I view both with utter disdain and the majority too far gone. I do understand them kinda. But not their singular choice of wrecked/too wreck - doomed I think and ripe for their opposite kinds...a lost people I usually say. Albeit I have over simplified it on this one.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/15/2016 9:13:47 AM

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/15/2016 11:38:54 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DudeA

So basically, what I want to know is...

1. Do subs feel pleasure-pleasure, as in like, the pleasure of having an orgasm, or the pleasure of eating an ice-cream, when they're in pain?

I get orgasms from pain. It gets to point where each stroke feels like just being caress. The same kind of pleasure you get from massage or masturbation. It just transforms into pure pleasure. Like you don't feel any pain at all. You only know it's suppose to be painful, only after you see the damage. But while it's happening, the pain disappears, only pleasure fills you up. Of course this doesn't just happen just like that. It takes building to a certain mental stage, a certain lost in ecstasy stage to get there.

Because ironically, I am terrified of pain. I can't even handle an ant bite. I'm terrified of injections and would rather die than take an injection. I consider myself a low pain tolerance person. If impact play felt painful, I wouldn't be able to take it.

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2. Is it more of a psychological pleasure, like "Look at how much I'm suffering for X!"?

For me, no. But I have spoken to many subs who are into it for simply the suffering. Like they feel alot of self-satisfaction and pride when they are able to tackle massive pain endurance for their master. And they want their master to keep pushing their pain limits.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/16/2016 12:34:27 AM

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I'm the biggest wuss when it comes to pain. At the same time, when conditioned properly many of the things that were painful can become associated with pleasure. It's a process, for me, and greatly depends on the skill and motivation of the Top.

Sometimes, enduring the pain becomes pleasurable when the endorphins kick in or when I know I'm enduring something the Top enjoys - that becomes where the pleasure derived from.

Sometimes it just freaking hurts and all manner of pleadings, and obscenities spew forth while the flight or fight response kicks in and much squirming and thrashing ensues.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/16/2016 12:50:10 AM

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Well, I read something about this in regards to spanking children. We can only feel pain when our brain tells us it's painful. There are people born who cannot feel pain, because their brain don't process pain as pain.

So there has been studies that, for example, parents who believe in corporal punishments. There has been studies that, even children, who were beaten as kids, that when it gets too much, they have self-survival or self-sustaining system activated, where their brain suddenly switch signals and start perceiving pain as pleasure, in a way to save themselves from the nightmare of feeling the pain.

Some adults learn to enjoy pain this way. I might be one. The very first time when I realise I can stop feeling pain, and the first time i experience it, was one day where I was over the edge with my mom hitting me, I kinda lost it, in the past, I always cower in fear and just cry. But something snapped, and I just felt fiery anger, and I start taunting and encouraging her to hit me harder. I realise the harder she hit me, I was just numb, pain has disappeared, I felt no more pain. Infact, I was motivated for her to thrash me thoroughly, knowing, I stop feeling pain and she's now causing herself pain by hitting me so hard that she's hurting herself too.

That was the day I learn that I could switch.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/16/2016 1:21:40 AM

WilliamWizer

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: DudeA

So basically, what I want to know is...

1. Do subs feel pleasure-pleasure, as in like, the pleasure of having an orgasm, or the pleasure of eating an ice-cream, when they're in pain?

I get orgasms from pain. It gets to point where each stroke feels like just being caress. The same kind of pleasure you get from massage or masturbation. It just transforms into pure pleasure. Like you don't feel any pain at all. You only know it's suppose to be painful, only after you see the damage. But while it's happening, the pain disappears, only pleasure fills you up. Of course this doesn't just happen just like that. It takes building to a certain mental stage, a certain lost in ecstasy stage to get there.

that thing, feeling only pleasure when you should be feeling pain, happens when your body is full of adrenaline and endorphin. your body naturally numbs pain so you can react to whatever caused you to need the adrenaline and it can reach a point where nothing feels painful but you are extremely perceptive even noticing things you normally wouldn't.

that kind of "mental stage" is known as "sub space" and can last for hours at the hands of a (very) skillful dom but building it to such extremes can be very dangerous as excessive adrenaline can kill

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/16/2016 1:24:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: WilliamWizer
that kind of "mental stage" is known as "sub space" and can last for hours at the hands of a (very) skillful dom but building it to such extremes can be very dangerous as excessive adrenaline can kill

Fortunately, I find that men who are usually knowledgeable and capable of producing this effect, are usually quite anal about safety as well. As I think it's really quite a skill to master. There are psychological priming to get someone there.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/16/2016 4:41:20 AM

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oh yes any skilled Master is definitely knowledgeable about the safety aspects of it. That's why I'm very careful who I play with. When I get into subspace by a skilled Dominant, I don't always remember the things I do or say. There was one time I almost walked in front of a bull whip at a play party, that would have been dangerous if the Dominant didn't pull me out of the way. I never play with those that have very little experience, the psychological aspects, the aftercare aspects, as well as proper play by a skilled Dominant makes it a wonderful time for me.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/16/2016 6:06:42 AM

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oh yes any skilled Master is definitely knowledgeable about the safety aspects of it. That's why I'm very careful who I play with. When I get into subspace by a skilled Dominant, I don't always remember the things I do or say. There was one time I almost walked in front of a bull whip at a play party, that would have been dangerous if the Dominant didn't pull me out of the way. I never play with those that have very little experience, the psychological aspects, the aftercare aspects, as well as proper play by a skilled Dominant makes it a wonderful time for me.

I have never verified it myself but from what I'm told endorphin acts as a truth serum because of the altered mind state and that's why you don't remember the things you did or said. it can also work as a hypnotic drug. with enough endorphin in the body you simply can't refuse to do as you are told.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/16/2016 6:46:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: WilliamWizer
with enough endorphin in the body you simply can't refuse to do as you are told.

Personally, I always thought this was the point of submission.
That's why I don't understand why some doms just want to withhold pleasure from their subs. When over-loading them with pleasure, will totally make them super obedient.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/16/2016 8:50:12 AM

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with enough endorphin in the body you simply can't refuse to do as you are told.

That is absolute nonsense.

Endorphin does not act as a 'truth serum' and does not cause compulsive obedience. The reason people are more likely to follow orders from a Top while in sub space is because the Top acts as their 'drug dealer'. Pleasing them increases the odds of getting more endorphin, which increases the likelihood -during play- that people would want to obey. But it's still a choice, and it's not any different from a long distance runner pushing themselves harder to get a better runners high. Just because somebody chooses to push themselves harder than they would have when sober does not mean that they cannot refuse to obey.

And there are no documented cases of people dying from adrenaline (or cortisone) overdose in kink play. The amount of either of those hormones produces in play will also be different from those produced in real life threatening situations, considering that, during play, people don't genuinely fear for their lives.

And modern literature seems to indicated that it's not adrenaline, but cortisone, which causes an increase in sudden hearth attacks in people with underlying hearth conditions in extremely stressful situations.

Please don't spout off bullshit as if it's fact on topics such as these.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/16/2016 3:56:57 PM

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That is absolute nonsense.

Endorphin does not act as a 'truth serum' and does not cause compulsive obedience. The reason people are more likely to follow orders from a Top while in sub space is because the Top acts as their 'drug dealer'. Pleasing them increases the odds of getting more endorphin, which increases the likelihood -during play- that people would want to obey. But it's still a choice, and it's not any different from a long distance runner pushing themselves harder to get a better runners high. Just because somebody chooses to push themselves harder than they would have when sober does not mean that they cannot refuse to obey.

you got several things wrong on that statement.

I never said that endorphin caused compulsive obedience. it shuts down that part of your brain that makes you a rational being. without it you can't lie or complain about what your trusted master does to you. it's not as versatile as a hypnotic drug (you can't give any kind of complex commands) but still it lets the dom to do a lot of thing he wouldn't be able to do under normal circumstances.

during a race a runner that enters this state becomes completely focused on the race to the point that he loses care of everything else. his most primal instinct is to reach the goal as fast as possible. you could think of it as some sort of tunnel vision where you can only see the goal you want to reach and nothing can distract you from that goal.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

And there are no documented cases of people dying from adrenaline (or cortisone) overdose in kink play. The amount of either of those hormones produces in play will also be different from those produced in real life threatening situations, considering that, during play, people don't genuinely fear for their lives.

adrenaline isn't caused by fear. it's caused by the need of the body to get a boost on it's physical capabilities.
on normal conditions our body doesn't use it's full potential because the heart (and other organs) can't endure it for long. adrenaline partially releases the block so you can get a temporal boost when you need it. if you keep that boosted level for too long or boost it too much the heart fails and you can die.

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And modern literature seems to indicated that it's not adrenaline, but cortisone, which causes an increase in sudden hearth attacks in people with underlying hearth conditions in extremely stressful situations.

and I couldn't care less which substance exactly causes which exact effect. the body generates a serie of substances when needs to work over it's normal parameters. adrenaline is the most common known of them and while technically it may not be the main causant it would be a bother if we have to list all of them each time (besides the point that perhaps we can't be sure we know all of them) so even if it's inaccurate people tend to mention only adrenaline as the cause of the boost and endorphin as the substance that makes us recover from it after a while.

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RE: Do subs actually feel pleasure during pain? - 3/16/2016 4:11:08 PM

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I cannot speak for anyone else, but from my experiences I would say yes some subs do feel pleasure during painful sessions or activities. Very difficult to explain, but the level of pleasure can go up as the tolerance increases. The arousal becomes intense and as muchas you hope for an orgasm you want it delayed as much as possible.

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