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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 11:33:33 AM   
Real0ne


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Anyone who believes in 'gun control' needs to see this!

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Dude, it's NRA propaganda. Learn to think for yourself: http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp



snopes?






That seems to be a helluva lot of crime considering all the guns were taken away.

At gun point I presume?






See what I find interesting is that you just did EXACTLY what the Snopes article talked about. Did you even read the article or are you just congenitally obsessed with stupidity.

You listed homicides as an absolute. You know what causes homicides to increase? Population increase dude. THEN you try and contrast this with homicide RATES in the USA.

Bad news dude, you're engaging in statistical nonsense.

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That seems to be a helluva lot of crime considering all the guns were taken away.
Are you high? 350 homicides in a country of 20 million versus your 32 and a half thousand handgun deaths alone in a country of 330 million.

Now let's see what the ACTUAL homicide rates are: http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html

I presume the Australian Institute of Criminology is not a source whose credibility you will attempt to impugn. Let's see what they have to say:

Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate* of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07. *rate per 100,000 population.

So let's recap. Australia, which has good gun control laws has a homicide rate which has decreased from 1.9 to 1.3 in 2007.

The USA, which does not, has a homicide rate which peaked around 10.2 in 1980 and which has floated up and down to 4.7 in 2012. That's a helluva lot of crime considering that everyone's carrying guns.

Basically your homicide rate is over 3 times ours. You can pretty much put that down to guns, dude.




so as the red line on the chart I posted would show that 'violent crime' et al when people in the US arm themselves decreased by nearly 50% and as you can see below and from previous charts posted banning guns is a monumental failure.


From your aussie crime stats lab:





The aussies are splitting up the data to confuse people and pretend its better, most of the charts only show from 2000 forward and then the MSM, the bbc spins the failed police state model as monumental success.





as we can all see its a monumental failure with little to no improvement by comparison and its back on the rise in 2012!

So what happened? Not enough police to guard every living man woman and child?






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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 11:51:46 AM   
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Were you aware that australians have never had a right to own firearms?
Well now that you do, perhaps you will shut up with trying to impose your asanine agenda on people who do not care how phoquing stupid you are?

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/15/2016 12:29:38 PM   
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so as the red line on the chart I posted would show that 'violent crime' et al when people in the US arm themselves decreased by nearly 50% and as you can see below and from previous charts posted banning guns is a monumental failure.
There is no correlation - inverse or otherwise - between the two and you've presented no evidence to suggest there is. And even if you did - repeat after me, class - "Correlation does not imply causation".

In fact, US spending on science, space and technology and suicide deaths by hanging, strangling and suffocating correlate more closely than the two independent variables you're attempting to link together.

There are a number of factors which are attributed to the drop in violent crime since the 1980's - the death of the crack epidemic is just one - and an increase in open carry states is not considered one of them. (At least not by any reputable commentator).



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From your aussie crime stats lab:





The aussies are splitting up the data to confuse people and pretend its better, most of the charts only show from 2000 forward and then the MSM, the bbc spins the failed police state model as monumental success.
Once again, I must point out that you're talking the ABSOLUTE number of homicides, not the homicide rate per head of population. That's an attempt at a statistical distortion. Either you're too stupid to understand it or too dishonest to admit what you're doing but I'm calling you out as a liar. Put up or shutup.

And Australian gun control HAS been a monumental success. Mass shootings have all but been eliminated and violent crime rates continue to decline.

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as we can all see its a monumental failure with little to no improvement by comparison and its back on the rise in 2012!

So what happened? Not enough police to guard every living man woman and child?
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you too stupid to understand the same graphs you're attempting to use as evidence?

Australia is a far safer place than the USA. You can see that on account of the fact that people die less often and suffer less violent crime. Duh.


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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/16/2016 9:19:07 AM   
Real0ne


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Aussie gun take away, lousy 1.4% reduction in VIOLENT CRIMES.



Gun sales double in America over the same period!




FBI reports 15% reduction in VIOLENT CRIMES with increased gun sales




Aussie FAIL-Gun take away, little to no reduction in violent crime in nearly 20 years

American SUCCESS-Gun sales double, 15% reduction in violent crime in a mere 5 years.

To say autrailia is a safer place to live is outright bullshit, because like anywhere else it depends on where you live.

The british take away guns model is a major FAIL.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/16/2016 9:49:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, the clear causality and correllation would be to give every swinging dick and twerking girl in america 5 guns, violent crime goes to zero.

Brilliant, and so very clearly intertwined.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/16/2016 9:55:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Spiffing graphs some of you I fret for some of you and your lack of complete data; a piece or two of the jigsaw

Guns kill end of story there is no counter argument, ever. If I liked guns my argument would still be the same.

I think you find UK a roaring success real0ne granted we would have problems come an alien invasion. and have not swapped guns for death by knife, buckfast bottle, knobkerries etc

Where guns are more easy to come by/owned then greater proportion/ratio of death and carnage follows. Not fucking rocket science


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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/16/2016 11:21:22 AM   
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aside from suicide because they are most convenient guns only result in more deaths when there is more violent crime. Again you can look at the fucked up brit model and see that people who commit suicide simply go to another method.

America has less violent crime becasue the perp do not get a second chance.

The UK model of forcing people into a condition of not being able to defend themselves is a monumental FAIL.

The question is why do brits continue to push FAIL? That is false adverising and fraud you know.

Brits simp;ly want to undermine the US constitution any way they can.



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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/16/2016 11:38:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		About 3 years ago I posted a link to a study comparing crime in the U.K. to the U.S. I don't know where to find the study now, and I'm not going to take the time to look for it. There is no doubt that gun deaths are considerably higher in the U.S., but there were two points that I found very interesting that came out in the study.

(1) When asked how much faith the people had in their police to keep them safe, the people in the U.S. had more faith in their police than did the people in the U.K.

(2) When asked how safe the people felt when walking the streets after dark, the people in the U.S. felt safer than the people in the U.K.

It just seems very odd to me that the country that says it is SO much safer when the people don't have guns is also the country that has little faith in their police to protect them, and that they don't feel safe out walking after dark.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/17/2016 9:29:55 AM   
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About 3 years ago I posted a link to a study comparing crime in the U.K. to the U.S. I don't know where to find the study now, and I'm not going to take the time to look for it.

Who needs a link when we have your word for it?

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/17/2016 9:45:30 AM   
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well that might be your opinion, but the facts dont support it.



aside from suicide because they are most convenient guns only result in more deaths when there is more violent crime. Again you can look at the fucked up brit model and see that people who commit suicide simply go to another method.

America has less violent crime becasue the perp do not get a second chance.

The UK model of forcing people into a condition of not being able to defend themselves is a monumental FAIL.

The question is why do brits continue to push FAIL? That is false adverising and fraud you know.

Brits simp;ly want to undermine the US constitution any way they can.




That's bullshit. Complete and total bullshit. It's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in my entire life, and I am not even using hyperbole here.

The UK has NEVER had what could be called a "gun culture". Even before the ban on handguns (a response to a mass school shooting) virtually nobody here owned or wanted to own firearms. Furthermore, before the ban there were absolute strict gun control laws in place, the sort that would have you donning your tinfoil hat.

Crime was not impacted at all by the ban on handguns one way or another. Virtually nobody owned them thus criminals had no fear of them. Nobody owned them thus people were not afraid of armed criminals.

There was a massive spike in violent crime, particularly robberies, that started in the mid-90s and continued to rise until 1997 (when the Labour government was elected). The reason? The right-wing Major government of the day, egged on by our right-wing press, had been performing a slash and burn destruction of our welfare system that resulted in people turning to crime in order to feed themselves.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/17/2016 10:13:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		well that might be your opinion, but the facts don't support it.
I cited the actual facts as they are realOne You know this I know this. What I am never sure with you sometimes whether you are being serious or just argumentative for no particular reason

You graph tells me this story:
Gun owner ship was never prolific in the UK your pretty graph of shittery is actually invalid for that particular comparison.
And the fact violent crime did not increase when both laws/amendments to bang bang ownership went into effect.
There was a slight upward trend that has no relevancy to the two changes in law. indeed there was ana ctual decrease.
Then The UK changed the way it gathered actual data figures.
And its plunging/declining because we changed the way of how we (re-classify)gather data or more than likely have said fuk it fiddle the figures

As for violent crime we are. equally, as violent as the Americans...well we are actually a wee bit less than them. Never argued against that ever. But your murder death kill policy is second to none in the developed world

Why did I use equally, well we derive our facts and figures different the Americans for "violent crimes" for statpurposes.

As for being murdered, as an accurate source/guide figure is pretty easy to come by, you are 4 times more likely to be so in the US than the UK. For another comparison here are rape figures: you are 1.5 times more likely to be raped in The USA than Scotland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence factor of 40 thingy its higher you know

getting like for like is impossible so they should be utilised as a rough guide. Graphs should never be misinterpreted with ludicrous false statements as real0one attempted to do for reason I do not entirely understand for I believe that one actually knows better.


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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/17/2016 10:16:28 AM   
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We appreciate, and thank you for your research.

We adore smart people.

At this time, we are dealing with reality.
Kill or be killed.
Thanks for all your lip service. Hand it to the archives.

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/17/2016 10:22:40 AM   
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kill or be killed is not a problem in the UK, Canada or Australia
Why?


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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/17/2016 11:17:46 AM   
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kill or be killed is not a problem in the UK, Canada or Australia
Why?

Because they have enough to eat?

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/17/2016 11:28:03 AM   
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and gun deaths is why you are "dealing with reality"
kill or be killed is not a problem in the UK, Canada or Australia
Why?



Look bitch, I really tried to be nice to you.
It is absolutely none of your business what I said.
You pitch nations or people against each other.
You are just a cheap hooker with big jugs. They will pass you around like dinner.
You are nothing but tomorrow's news.


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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/17/2016 11:39:10 AM   
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You are just a cheap hooker with big jugs.


How cheap???I am a retiree on a fixed income.


They will pass you around like dinner.


You mean I can fuck her as well as eat her???


You are nothing but tomorrow's news.

She can read the future????whodathunkit

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/17/2016 11:46:05 AM   
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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/17/2016 11:51:00 AM   
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Hey Lucy, is it true what Cinnamongirl says - that you've got big jugs? I didn't know that. How come Cinnamongirl's seen your norks and I haven't?


My guess is Cinnamon needs all the charity she can get, with an attitude like hers she probably scares away anyone of value before she can even get to first base

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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/17/2016 12:30:24 PM   
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For one I not looking for a man.
If I was you would least on my list.
Scaring away predators is first on my list.
People like you are a dime a dozen.
Talking about your piece of shit is charity.


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RE: Aussies Warning to Americans about gun control!! - 3/17/2016 12:35:28 PM   
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Ok tkman you piece of shit.
For one I not looking for a man.
If I was you would least on my list.
Scaring away predators is first on my list.
People like you are a dime a dozen.
Talking about your piece of shit is charity.


LOL, oh you called me a piece of shit, what a scathing insult XD and I never said anything about looking for a man sweetheart, maybe you should take a class on reading comprehension, might save you some grief in the future. On second thought, maybe behavioural classes are in order so you don't keep coming across as a whiny self entitled child, you clearly need em

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