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MrRodgers -> The secret of TOP secret and classifying anything (3/16/2016 7:38:25 AM)

It is quite ridiculous. I don't care the source here. From what I can tell, classifying anything is getting to be a joke.

Lowlights:
Espionage laws: Spying. But now there are those that want to use it for mishandling classified info.

Right now, there are thousands of people in the government who can classify information. Think about the reality: A person can put a “classified” stamp on a document and ensure it is kept secret, or can leave it unclassified, subject to disclosure, and later be accused of having revealed something needing protection. No one risks any real penalty for using the stamp; the only punishment comes from not using it. The result is overclassification.

Many times, I’ve seen information in a document marked “top secret” that is easily available on the Internet. Similarly there are numerous examples where the exact same paragraph is marked “secret” in one document but left unclassified in another. Yet people have been prosecuted for disseminating such information, and at trial, the government blocks them from using the unclassified document as a defense.

Moreover, the courts will not accept the argument that information should not have been classified in the first place. Given how almost random the decision to classify is, this is astounding.

Often, the motive for classifying something is to protect not that information, but its source. For example, a document states that Kim Jong-un of North Korea had a hamburger for lunch. That is not information that has to be protected, but that we know that he ate it reveals a source that needs protecting. This is where the classification system has to operate properly because real lives and methods are in peril. Yet this kind of information, in my experience, is typically not what is being protected.

A high-ranking official gives behind-the-scenes intelligence to a reporter in hopes of putting the administration in a good light. No one is charged. But a lower-ranking official tells a different reporter classified information calling attention to a Middle Eastern terrorist organization and is charged with a felony.

The former head of the C.I.A. gives classified information, including code words for intelligence programs and war strategy, to a biographer with whom he is in a relationship and then lies about it. He is allowed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. But a State Department analyst who speaks to a reporter about the threat of North Korea’s nuclear program, and then lies about it, is charged with a felony and serves 11 months in jail. (remind you of anything ?)

But the idea that she [Clinton] violated laws about classified information is simply wrong. Any investigation based on after-the-fact determinations of classification would do nothing to protect national security and would distract from the need to reform classification laws.

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The above is absolutely ridiculous and ripe for politicizing anything that comes out.




mnottertail -> RE: The secret of TOP secret and classifying anything (3/16/2016 7:48:55 AM)

There are people in the government whose job it is to classify materials, and what do you think they will do?

Remember when Ollie North said, Senator, the government pays millions for paper shredders, and they expect us to use them.

If you think that FOIA have to be filed for the most mundane things is protecting our nations secrets, just LOL. And done.




MrRodgers -> RE: The secret of TOP secret and classifying anything (3/16/2016 9:30:37 AM)

Well that too but my point is that classifying is a joke, the double standard particularly as applied to the same info. from different sources, is a joke and the illegitimacy of court proceedings, is a joke.




BondageersT -> RE: The secret of TOP secret and classifying anything (3/16/2016 9:37:18 AM)

my Glock 17 will classify most things.




WickedsDesire -> RE: The secret of TOP secret and classifying anything (3/16/2016 10:47:37 AM)

Often, the motive for classifying something is to protect not that information, but its source.

No it is not it is used as a mechanism for misleading the people, the meek and sheople.




MrRodgers -> RE: The secret of TOP secret and classifying anything (3/16/2016 12:34:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Often, the motive for classifying something is to protect not that information, but its source.

No it is not it is used as a mechanism for misleading the people, the meek and sheople.

Not entirely true. If it got out that we knew the Kim Jong-un had a hamburger for lunch, that information would be irrelevant but to know it would mean somebody got close enough to find out, they could possibly be endangered along with and as likely...half of Jong-un's entourage.




WickedsDesire -> RE: The secret of TOP secret and classifying anything (3/16/2016 1:20:03 PM)

MrRodgers argument is If it got out that we knew the Kim Jong-un had a hamburger for lunch,I
WickedsDesire argument is ( a bit my tongue on this one, cleaved the pussy licker clean off) if it got out you spy on your worldy enemies, allies, and the NSA records every form of electronic communication, and alpha brain waves, sure why not - tinfoil hat is the way to go btw...oh fuk a duk that got out did it not.

Do you believe these remotely comparable (bites his tongue some more)




MrRodgers -> RE: The secret of TOP secret and classifying anything (3/16/2016 8:48:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

MrRodgers argument is If it got out that we knew the Kim Jong-un had a hamburger for lunch,I
WickedsDesire argument is ( a bit my tongue on this one, cleaved the pussy licker clean off) if it got out you spy on your worldy enemies, allies, and the NSA records every form of electronic communication, and alpha brain waves, sure why not - tinfoil hat is the way to go btw...oh fuk a duk that got out did it not.

Do you believe these remotely comparable (bites his tongue some more)


No, for what's on Un's lunch menu to get out, means there is a person close enough to find out. That knowledge alone puts that spy in danger. What Snowden revealed was a world-wide electronic 'remote' surveillance, not that which was dependent on a specific person or mole.

You do understand, I'd like to be sure you do, that exposing intelligence does often also expose a sources very close for it to be obtained in the first place and the corresponding dangers. This danger can be to life and limb but also to any future loss or disguise of the intelligence involved. Snowden did not reveal specific people, moles or personnel-sensitive sources that or who would have been put in danger.

When the Enigma machine broke the Nazi code, they couldn't immediately alert a British convoy, as that would expose their discovery. Ships were sunk...live were lost. In the longer term, it...saved many more lives and ended the war sooner.




Real0ne -> RE: The secret of TOP secret and classifying anything (3/19/2016 5:25:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well that too but my point is that classifying is a joke, the double standard particularly as applied to the same info. from different sources, is a joke and the illegitimacy of court proceedings, is a joke.


the american legal system when put to the test of critical review is a glass house of cards. Dont get me wrong it was not intended to be but criminals can fuck anything up




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