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longwayhome -> RE: Anita Sarkeesians dirty little secret! (3/23/2016 10:02:19 AM)
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ORIGINAL: respectmen
longwayhome
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Despite what you say men still earn more than women and own most of the wealth in the world. Men also hold most elected political offices and most appointed senior government posts, except in a tiny number of countries. There have been many advances but men are still firmly in control of most of the wealth and political power in the world. So much for feminism having gone too far.
Firstly, this needs to be recognised. Let's not forget that most people at the bottom are also men. For example, men are far more likely to be homeless. It's funny how that part is always missed when people carry on with what you are saying.
Men still earning more than women has nothing to do with discrimination on a general basis. There is plenty of information to look at in regards of the truth with the pay gap which I am sure you probably already heard before. That's if you popped your head up once in a while from being buried in feminist sand.
The men at the top in society only hold power and privileges while the rest of the male population, which is more than 99 percent, have no more power than women. Look at your average labouring factory worker, the majority male, in a sweat shop being a slave by abusing your body to the owner of the business. Are they privileged? Instead of collectively categorising this by gender, it would make more sense and actually be rational if people who say this type of stuff pointed at individuals instead as a whole gender. I am sure if men pointed negatively at women as a gender instead of individuals, they would be considered a misogynist within a split second.
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For my part I would prefer to live in a world without set gender roles
Yet, feminists, Lucy for example, exactly try to enforce gender policing with the issue of rights in reproduction instead of both genders having the same rights when you get to chose to opt out of parenthood.
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Feminism in seeking to subvert stereotypical roles
They may fight some stereotypes while either create or encourage other stereotypes. Such as males are privileged/white males are privileged and patriarchy blaming.
Feminists seem to use tactics by creating another problem to fight a problem.
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these people do not have some huge hidden influence over governments or public life. They do not silently rule men's lives. There is no conspiracy.
Have you looked up the universities lately?
Here's a couple examples:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/george-lawlors-story-shows-how-universities-have-become-hostile/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11670138/Why-are-our-universities-blocking-mens-societies.html
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the overwhelming evidence is that the people in powerful positions are overwhelmingly men, despite years of feminism.
The reason why feminism hasn't changed this is because there is a logical and valid reason behind it all. If there wasn't, it could all so easily be changed. For starters, such as learning the truth about the pay gap instead of the farty feminist version. This relates to the glass ceiling theory also. Women generally make different choices in life. That isn't the fault of men and that isn't the fault of discrimination.
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Your statements appear to be of the woman-hating variety, where you are demonising women, on the basis that you don't agree with the arguments of some feminists. You just don't seem to acknowledge that if you want to split people into men and women, it's still men who on average have the most.
Roars with laughter. Can you please point out quotes and explain how I am hating and demonising women exactly? I certainly hate feminists who are both men and women. That doesn't mean at all that I hate women. If you want to play it that way, no double standards for you. So if a woman hates men's rights, that means she hates men.
Thank you for quoting half sentences and missing out important parts of my post in order to make your points.
Just to be clear - my view of your position, having read a number of your posts, is that your anti-women views are just as poisonous as some of the feminists you feel so threatened by.
Most feminists are not extreme man-haters, but some are certainly quite obnoxious, and I say that as someone who is generally supportive of many feminist viewpoints. I suggested as much in my post. However, as I also suggested, there are unpleasant people who come from all schools of thought or walks of life. Why should feminism be any different?
The problem is that you are not rationally trying to protect the vulnerable from whatever background, whatever their gender, race or point of view. You just keep whinging on incessantly about how men are done down by feminists and women in general. When you look at the world, is the type of feminism you dislike really the worst thing you can see happening?
There is great inequality in our society, both in terms of outcomes and opportunities, and many reasons for that. Men are of course subject to poverty, prejudice and violence for any number of reasons. What I object to in your position is that you seem to see feminism, and more worryingly women in general, as the main cause of any disadvantage a man experiences in his life. Even worse you appear to be blind to the far greater injustices and tragedies that befall people in their lives, many of which are not gendered, or are actually inflicted by other men.
That's what makes you a woman-hater.
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