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Sunshine119 -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 7:11:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear Ahhh the psychological and programming approach.. Good, very good..... Perhaps we could modify the lighting so the room is dark and she/he is lit by a single bright spot. We could add the sound of dripping water, the scurrying of little furry creatures and even the distant sounds of some one screaming in terror and/or pain (All sound effects taped of course) Fanning myself wildly Whew! Don't know if this would break me or humiliate me at all. What it does do is make me very, very hot. Geez.....does that make me one sick puppy? LOL

deltadawn -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 7:21:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sunshine119 quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear Ahhh the psychological and programming approach.. Good, very good..... Perhaps we could modify the lighting so the room is dark and she/he is lit by a single bright spot. We could add the sound of dripping water, the scurrying of little furry creatures and even the distant sounds of some one screaming in terror and/or pain (All sound effects taped of course) Fanning myself wildly Whew! Don't know if this would break me or humiliate me at all. What it does do is make me very, very hot. Geez.....does that make me one sick puppy? LOL vulnerable is the feeling it gives to me. (heated always though..lol) dawn

Jasmyn -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 7:34:10 AM)
quote: Humiliation and Vulnerability draws such a delightfull picture in your mind doesn't it? Yes drool quote: Now tell me, how did you get the sub/slave into this desirable possition???? Oohh there are so many ways to get them into that state ;) but I just adore watching their face as the random thoughts going through their head flickers equally as random across their features when you ask them to ask you or tell them you are about to do something ... did she really just ask me that/is she really going to do that? no? surely she was joking? maybe she wasn't joking? wholy fark she isn't joking! and then the look of fret, fright, trepedation, every fibre tight as a coil as they find themselves asking to do just that with a breathless "yes please Mistress, please pour hot molten wax on my cock" ... and equally as entertaining is watching their incredulous reaction when on that odd occasion or two ...the sadist in you...says no ;)

IronBear -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 7:37:21 AM)
It is enjoyable to have someone completely vulnerable, nakid and available to anything I wish to do.. It is even more pleasurable to watch her eyes open wide with fear. Fear of the unknown and watch her orgasm with this fear... Beg to be touched or for pain and know that at that point I am all she knows ... Then the fun can start................ [:-]

Caretakr -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 7:38:48 AM)
Just on a side line...........I once got challenged to come up with a little fear/interrogation scene. So this is what my twisty little brain came up with. You cut the bottom out of a fifty five gallon oil drum.....and replace it with a heavy wire mesh bottom...say of quarter inch steel, with about 2 inch spaces. Weld it on nice and solid, then plastic coat the whole thing. It sits on little legs about 6 inches long for ventilation, and other stuff that comes out of the naked bottom you confine inside-with a locking lid. Every once in a while, you come by and refill the hamster water bottle. Or bang on the drum with a stick. I think I could get someone talking after a while.[;)]

vield -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 7:49:27 AM)
For some humiliation brings them to a state of exciting vulnerability, and helps them get into whatever the scene is. This can work for any gender, although I find a lot more males actively seeking to get humiliation than females. I prefer playing with females, so I rarely am giving humiliation. It seems many dominant women do enjoy the power they find it humiliating submissives, especially males. For others especially those who are alpha types in their home or work lives, things which make them feel vulnerable may bring them humiliation. I do not have a fetish for giving or getting humiliation, but if an important partner much desires giving or getting humiliation, I usually can go there with them. LOL I have much enjoyed times a Domme wanted me to serve her in ways she felt humiliated me, when the acts involved really were things I like a lot. vield

Sensualips -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 8:17:17 AM)
For me stripping naked has little to do with being vulnerable or humiliation. Perhaps I am just comfortable being naked so it does not have the same impact. I really hate the feeling of vulnerability though. My reponse is usually panic or anger or a need to regain "control" in some way. I am not comfortable with it at all. Humiliation is different and difficult for me to pinpoint. I just know it is very individualized -- things others describe as a humiliating I do not. I guess how you get someone into that position would be equally individualized.

Bearlee -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 8:44:48 AM)
I used to think of humiliation as always abusive…the name-calling, berating, belittling kind some actually like; but I cannot abide. It’s a hard limit for me…too much like my childhood. Consequently, I avoided ‘humiliation’. Then…after a good, playful beating I got told to pull my panties down around my ankles and follow the Dom and his partner to a chair FACING the room (read that HUGE dungeon at Thunder…a gathering of about 1000 folks) and sit; ankles together, knees spread! OMG!!! I do not play like this, I wanted to say. I pleaded with them not to do this to me; I panicked and cried…”HOW could I ever manage to DO this??? No, No, No…please do NOT have me do this!” I was mortified, I cried, I sobbed. I thought about my NOT being an exhibitionist; naked is one thing…but spread like this? Oh gawd…I cried harder and harder; I felt my tears filling up the inside of the blindfold held tightly around my head and leaking down my face. I was miserable. She came up and whispered her surprise at me saying “You just got whipped bloody…and NOW you’re crying? I’m surprised at you!” And she smacked the inside of my thighs to make me move them further apart. I tried to quiet down before my nose started dripping too; with my hands cuffed behind my back I couldn’t do anything about that. Oh gawd…I must have been a sight; I just cried harder. Soon I was hiccupping in an effort to stop sobbing, He came up and laced his fingers in my hair and pulled my hair back to softly ask why my knees were not still widely spread. I quickly moved them wider again…but finally reached a place where I could quiet down. I’m not sure what happened, but suddenly I found I could sit quietly, knees wide open to all who walked by. He stroked my hair a bit before he walked away. This was my first real experience with such humiliation. I’ve had it danced around me before; I always thought it was kind of funny. This though… was a breakthrough in my mind where I was awed to discover I thought it hot as hell. Yup, vulnerability and humiliation are great fun to play with; and they make me more than a little excited. WOW Surprise, surprise! Will wonders never cease? beverly

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 8:59:41 AM)
Files this away for future use Master Fire

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 9:02:57 AM)
Being a bit of an exhibitionist (ok, more than just a Bit - a LOT of an exhibitionist) - it has never phased me to be placed in a situation of nudity. I simply don't equate that with humiliating circumstances. Telling me to strip in front of people is more likely to bring a rather delighted smile to my face than it is to bring on a look of embarrasment or terror. Sex in front of others? The more the merrier! Psychological humiliation on the other hand is something that I simply won't tolerate. Rather than making me feel vulnerable or fearful, attempts at psychological humiliation tend to infuriate me and bring out overt resistance, resentment, and a refusal to continue dealing with the person making the attempt. Either I walk away, or I unleash a verbal nuke on them to put them in their proper place and turn the tables on them. Maybe I've simply become to jaded, and need to take a step back. shrugs There's simply not that much in a strictly BDSM sense that elicits Fear in me these days - and the things that still have that capacity I simply won't consent to doing.

DoctorDubious -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 9:37:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear Humiliation and Vulnerability draws such a delightfull picture in your mind doesn't it? Either you have a sub/slave in a position of no escape completely vulnerable and already feelongthe pangs (and joys) or humiliation as all about can see her or his naked body ready for what ever you have in mind. (Make suitable litery adjustments if you are a sub/slave.). Now tell me, how did you get the sub/slave into this desirable possition???? Did you know that a study of the techniques used by the Gestapo, the KGB and the Stasi to use three examples, found that with a female the most efficient way to soften her was to order he to strip nakid ynder bright lights and being watched by interrogators. (If she is stripped she can psychologically surrender her ability to resist. Making her strip naked is her contribution and thus an active participant.) Now with a male the reverse is true. The male arrogance will decide the he can and will remove his clothes and stand in his nakid glory defiently. If he is forcible stripped this defence mechanism is removed and the fact that he is helpless is reinfoirced in his psychie leaving him emotionally vulnerable. Sometimes the psychology and techniques used by Secret Police and other organizations is or use for the BDSM and similar lifestyles as long as it is modified so as not to be destructive and the operators have a good understanding of what they do.. Again I ask: Now tell me, how did you get the sub/slave into this desirable possition???? Hi IronBear... and all. I find the questions and answers on this thread really fascinating.... ... perhaps because I was, long ago, a therapist and now I've *gone legit* and use those few remaining skills in more dubious, diabolical dastardly ways. >> .....Humiliation and Vulnerability For me, there is little juice in humiliation, and all the kink is in the vulnerability, or as I prefer to call it.... predicaments of exposure and helplessness. So, how do you make an experienced woman feel exposed, helpless, .... hmmmm Remember, she wants to submit, to be taken and used... and it's up to us to keep it surprising and fresh... to deepen the helplessness into ever-deepening surrender... ... in order to maximize our feelings of dominance, and pleasure.... >>Did you know that a study of the techniques used by the Gestapo, the KGB and the Stasi to use three examples, found that with a female the most efficient way to soften her was to order he to strip nakid ynder bright lights and being watched by interrogators Pardon my rudeness, but I suspect the average BDSM woman would laugh in the face of some huffing old Nazi who merely did this and say... "Is that all you got, old man?" Then she'd slap his red face with her tits.... Mere nudity and examination just ain't gonna fly these days... .... not with "our" population of women. So, ask yourself, what about herself, her mind, her history does NOT want to be exposed under that blinding, metaphorical, single-spot light? That's where I'd start... ... then ya dig around a bit... ..... see how she squirms, struggles.. >>Sometimes the psychology and techniques used by Secret Police and other organizations The Mossad has the best interrogators in the world, with vast experience in breaking the pride and hubris of their victims.... while leaving them effective enough to release back into Palestine, to act as infiltrators. Sounds appealing, doesn't it? It's refined good-cop/bad-cop delivered in totally unprdictable times and ways, with a lot of emotional subtlety.... .... creating an environment of abject helplessness... but here's just one of the many twists the best "breakers" have been using for a decade. *Make your word 100% reliable.* Everything, everything you say always comes true. Swiftly and remorsefully.... That way, when you drop your voice, lean in, and whisper that tantalizingly *ambigious* threat... and she considers what that could possibly mean .... ............ ............. DD PS, the NYT magazine, or Harpers, or the Atlantic had a great laymen's article about Mossad interrogation stuff sometimes in the last year. I have all that shit in a file cabinet back in Canada, but I betcha google will fetch it if you ask nicely....

IronBear -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 11:40:10 AM)
I'd argue about the Mossad being the best. One of the best yes.. I have no need to google though when I have the hand books from both the KGB and Stasi. The former in Russian and a translation (three books including the methodology and techniques of using chemical inducement alongside hypnosis) and the latter in both German translations into English. These techniques I have watched and used in interrogations in the past.. The best and most diabolical interrogator I ever witnessed, worked for me in 'nam, she is Cambodian by birth and lives not so far from me now..

DoctorDubious -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 12:39:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear *I'd argue about the Mossad being the best.* One of the best yes. . I have no need to google though when I have the hand books from both the KGB and Stasi. The former in Russian and a translation (three books including the methodology and techniques of using chemical inducement alongside hypnosis) and the latter in both German translations into English. These techniques I have watched and used in interrogations in the past.. *The best and most diabolical interrogator I ever witnessed, worked for me in 'nam, she is Cambodian by birth and lives not so far from me now..* Hey IronBear... and all... >>*I'd argue about the Mossad being the best.* Well, we all have our opinions, and all I was doing is giving my non-expert layman's opinion. I do notice... ... and I say this with no lack of respect, (because I've searched and read & liked scores of your posts...) ... that both Stasi and KGB don't really exist any more, at least not in the form they had for most of the 20th century. I said Mossad is the best, not *was* the best... >>. I have no need to google though when I have the hand books from both the KGB and Stasi. *Sheesh!* Don't take this goofy shit I write so seriously. I'm just a fuckin doofus who clowns around on these forums 'till I attract an artsy-fartsy smart woman to be my own true love and possession. I always forget how even the really well-balanced types can take shit like this so personally, when it's on a forum. I put that crap about that terriffic Mossad interrogation article there becuuse I was under the opinion *that lots of people might read this thread, not just an ironbear and a long-winded old goat... ya know? >>The best and most diabolical interrogator I ever witnessed, worked for me in 'nam, she is Cambodian by birth and lives not so far from me now..* Now you're talking! There are Asian traditions of mental domination that blow the weak crap they pull down in Guantanamo right out of the water, and make the interrogators at Bahgram Airforce Base look like sissy's. My Master's thesis, which I did back in the dark ages was a survey of mass propaganda techniques used in post-revolutionary China to convince the population that communism was part of the ancient chinese system, and approved by all their ancestors. It's still cited here and there in academic Sinology circles. Sounds like you were doin' shit in 'Nam while I was just dickin around in a library in Peking... DD

IronBear -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 1:24:54 PM)
Thanks DD mate and your right. I actually deliberately used specifically the Gepapo, KGB and Stasi for the reason that theyare no longer operational and of course because I have the text books. However <<VVWEG>> there are people who were interrogators for both the KGB and Stasi alive and kicking and be able to get work too.. I've not done any research into the techniques used in China. Would be interesting to do a regional study includuing my favourite countries which I'm not welcome any more Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam followed by Thialand, Korea, and Japan as well as China and India and see if there is much cross culture in their techniques then see if those techniques followed the silk roit into the middle east. South America is another area which may well be interesting to look at as well.. I bet I could find things out of that area which could use to bring tears to the eyes of male slave or sub..

Caretakr -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 1:32:17 PM)
Naw, just tell them that they will never want to do kink again, when you are done with them. Clock work orange.[:D]

peta -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 2:46:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr Or you can just use a few suggestive props-especially if you want to mind fuck with a hard limit. Like a stack of disposable diapers,with a full enema bag hanging next to them.[;)] Or a row of sharp knives before blindfolding her for edge play

Caretakr -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 2:53:02 PM)
Or lots of needles, and the whole cleaning set up. Then, just after you finish strapping her down, legs widespread, you swab her cunt out with alchohol. Burninngggggg................. And whisper in her ear.........ever so softly....... And it begins....................

enthralled -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 3:11:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Caretakr Or lots of needles, and the whole cleaning set up. Then, just after you finish strapping her down, legs widespread, you swab her cunt out with alchohol. Burninngggggg................. And whisper in her ear.........ever so softly....... And it begins.................... Oh my !!!!!!!! [:D] ~enthralled

DoctorDubious -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 4:38:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear South America is another area which may well be interesting to look at as well.. I bet I could find things out of that area which could use to bring tears to the eyes of male slave or sub.. Hey all.... I actually know a tad about South American interrogation, through a *very* close second-hand friendship. .... yes, I know we are drifting from the BDSM thread here... My buddy, Julio C. was a communist revolutionary in Chile, trained in Cuba in bombs and assasination... .... and when the CIA dumped Allende, Julio was of the the famous "200 prisoners" who were the first that Pinochet imprisoned. Julio tells me there was zero psychological smarts, just a buncha crude goons who used cigars, pliers, electricity, and steel bed frames. They freed him and others after 2 years of ~12 hrs/week torture, and in the first week he was out, 8 of his friends died. He scrammed to Canada, with the DINA secret police looking everywhere for him. I love Julio, because he really has forgiven them all (he got a masters in US foreign relations from the Sorbonne) and he's a happily married school teacher in western Canada. One of the finest men I know, and I'm honored to call him friend. We're both socialists too. My point? I don't reccomend the Chilean methods for play with your lovers..... but then..... I'm kinda squeamish about real torture. I've seen the scars. DD

Caretakr -> RE: Humiliation and Vulnerability (7/20/2006 5:03:30 PM)
You are correct, it's way off topic. Can we get back to it now please?

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