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DesideriScuri -> RE: National Health Care *FAIL* (3/28/2016 7:20:51 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Shouldn't those rules apply to everyone? The prof would be held liable for repayment of benefits if his son required more than average.
They do, many families are deported or denied immigration papers before they get ANYWHERE because of disabilities/mental health issues etc.
Its kinda like pre existing conditions (before obamacare)
Depending on the health problem and the severity of it, It may lead to denial.
If the boy developed a condition after his paperwork had gone thru, as a canadian permanent resident(landed immigrant) , he wouldnt be deported.
If the "sponsor" (or whatever it's called) signs that those coming in won't be more of a burden than the typical resident, why not hold that person at his word and let him pick up any "excess" costs? Or, deport him and his if they do.
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It depends on the level of downs the child has.
I understand that, and that's my point. They are playing the odds.
No, its not that cavalier, they go thru the psych and physical, medical history with a fine tooth comb, I would think he went thru some kind of ability and needs testing. But I dont know how they work it out.
It's tough to argue for or against the methodology when we don't know that methodology. I guess what I'm not sure about is how personalized the scrutiny is. It could be possible that they see "Down's Syndrome" and automatically blackball the family.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/03/15/felipe-montoya-immigration_n_9471482.html
Apparently, the child went through psych evals and thyroid tests and came out just fine.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/03/20/ontario-family-denied-residency-over-sons-down-syndrome.htmlquote:
Montoya hoped the medical clearance would help finalize his application, but a letter from CIC told a different story.
βI have determined that your family member Nicolas Montoya is a person whose health condition might reasonably be expected to cause excessive demand on social services in Canada,β reads a letter sent to Montoya. βAn excessive demand is a demand for which the anticipated costs exceed the average Canadian per capita health and social services costs, which is currently set at $6,387.β
The CIC letter references reports that Nicolas functions at the level of a three-year-old. It goes on to estimate that special education supports for Nicolas would cost between $20,000 and $25,000 a year, a finding Montoya questions.
He said CIC provided no detailed breakdown of how the estimate was reached, adding that his son did not require special accommodations because he joined a pre-existing community classroom in his local public school.
If the family has been there for 3 years already, wouldn't they have some idea of how much this one kid has cost the taxpayers? Obviously, it wasn't much more of a burden on the school system as they already had the classroom, unless they had to hire another teacher/aide/etc. Health care costs should be traceable, too.
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Of course I see your point, but as anti obesity /smoking is an abstract "what if" now, both in health law and immigration law, its every countries rule. Yours, mine and my adopted home.
It doesnt make it right, As a bleeding heart liberal it messes with my psyche. But can you imagine if the rules werent there? Every family with a sick family member would be emigrating demanding health care and other "freebies" for their children/parents/siblings permanent existing conditions. I dont see anyone willing to take that up anywhere.
Life is good for me n mine in canada, I dont blame people for wanting to come here. I love it, I doubt I will leave. Its not perfect by any standards, as I said earlier, we still have violence, we still have homeless and poverty issues, we have violent crime, we have lousy politicians, we have greed and hate. We have unfairness in law. We have a lot of issues. But this is not a purely canadian tragedy. Even for a "socialised" country.
Wait. You're saying if Canada allowed any Tom, Dick, or Harry, to immigrate, it'll have an overwhelmed social welfare system because people with sick family members would be coming in for the freebies? And, you criticize conservative's views on illegal immigration?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/on-the-dole-report-87-illegal-immigrant-families-on-welfare-72-of-legal-immigrants-on-it/article/2571730
72% of legal immigrant families on some sort of welfare? Don't have a problem with that.
30% of "native" families on some sort of welfare? Don't have a problem with that, either (52%, if that family has kids)
87% of families headed by an illegal immigrant are on some sort of welfare (62% if that family does NOT have kids)
I do have a problem with illegal immigrants coming here and soaking up benefits paid for by the US taxpayer. Yet, people on the left (and you've been one of them) oppose conservatives' calls for stemming the tide of illegal immigration.
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