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mnottertail -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 9:44:40 AM)

http://www.journalnow.com/business/business_news/local/blue-cross-top-execs-get-big-raises-in-salary-compensation/article_917ec79b-cfb5-5a72-aae5-54b0cf293185.html

sell em out, they are innefficient, they made the law, they set the premiums, put the money in the treasury. national single payer.

They spend all their money on these welfare patients, instead of the producers.




Phydeaux -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 12:03:16 PM)

CEO pay isn't even 1/10,000 of of revenue. To pretend thats material is disingenuous.





mnottertail -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 1:41:34 PM)

I dont pretend its material. I am pointing out that the corporations and their catamites reward failure, and takers instead of producers. Seems like their own special brand of government then.

And its all because of Obamacare? How about its all because they should not make our laws, or set their prices, and should be heavily regulated because they are too stupid to operate under honest dealing. They cant make money when they own the market.

A failure in the brand of capitalism being touted in the US.




Lucylastic -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 3:10:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

And another one's gone, another ones gone another one bites the dust....

Blue Cross Blue shield pulls out of New Mexico, out of North Carolina in 2017 - after losing 400 million dollars. .

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434435/obamacare-premiums-losses-unacceptable


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/opinion-blog/2015/10/09/north-carolina-embraces-real-medicaid-reform
North Caroline didnt expand medicare until last year.
Two weeks ago, North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory signed into law a bill to reform the Tarheel State's massive and rapidly growing Medicaid program. The plan to overhaul the joint federal-state health insurance program for poor families now moves to Washington for approval by the Obama Administration.

Despite enormous pressure to do so, the state emphatically rejected Obamacare's optional Medicaid expansion and instead embraced reform based on insurer competition and consumer choice. That's big news.

Oh dear seems it didnt work at least for NC,




Lucylastic -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 3:14:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

http://www.journalnow.com/business/business_news/local/blue-cross-top-execs-get-big-raises-in-salary-compensation/article_917ec79b-cfb5-5a72-aae5-54b0cf293185.html

sell em out, they are innefficient, they made the law, they set the premiums, put the money in the treasury. national single payer.

They spend all their money on these welfare patients, instead of the producers.


but ron, insurance companies are your friends.!!!!




thompsonx -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 7:27:38 PM)


ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

but ron, insurance companies are your friends.!!!!


Now you are lying.[:D]




mnottertail -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 7:32:06 PM)

Oh, no, no, no, my friend, insurance companies are people too.

Willard.




thompsonx -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 7:55:07 PM)


ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Oh, no, no, no, my friend, insurance companies are people too.

Willard.


Ok...can we cook them and eat them?




mnottertail -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 7:58:12 PM)

Anything for money.




thompsonx -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 8:02:15 PM)


ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Anything for money.

Just a little something to suplement my welfare cheques[;)].
Chop it up small and put it in the menudo.[:D]





Phydeaux -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 9:43:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

And another one's gone, another ones gone another one bites the dust....

Blue Cross Blue shield pulls out of New Mexico, out of North Carolina in 2017 - after losing 400 million dollars. .

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434435/obamacare-premiums-losses-unacceptable


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/opinion-blog/2015/10/09/north-carolina-embraces-real-medicaid-reform
North Caroline didnt expand medicare until last year.
Two weeks ago, North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory signed into law a bill to reform the Tarheel State's massive and rapidly growing Medicaid program. The plan to overhaul the joint federal-state health insurance program for poor families now moves to Washington for approval by the Obama Administration.

Despite enormous pressure to do so, the state emphatically rejected Obamacare's optional Medicaid expansion and instead embraced reform based on insurer competition and consumer choice. That's big news.

Oh dear seems it didnt work at least for NC,



You do realize, by definition, people eligible for medicaid are not eligible for Obamacare. So your article has exactly zero to do with anything I posted.




mnottertail -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 9:47:01 PM)

You do not realize that it has everything to do with what you posted. Had they been on medicare the non-producing inept management of the insurance company would not have gotten a raise for failure since a great number those people forced into the exchange by nutsuckers would have been on medicare a more efficient form of healthcare.

You are the only one who posts stuff that has nothing to do with what anyone says, including yourself.




Phydeaux -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 10:57:17 PM)

The idea that Blue cross would have stayed in if only it could only have lost 390 million - is ridiculous.
And, it is a complete myth that medicare is a more efficient form of healthcare.




Phydeaux -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/25/2016 10:58:44 PM)

But in other news today:

Medicaid spending, courtesy of Obamas medicaid expansion now comprises more than 1/3 of the states budges in more than 1/2 the states. And this is before the states requirements to kick in extra funds occurs.

More people have enrolled via medicaid than through ACA exchanges, in fact.




mnottertail -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/26/2016 6:13:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

The idea that Blue cross would have stayed in if only it could only have lost 390 million - is ridiculous.
And, it is a complete myth that medicare is a more efficient form of healthcare.



You are dealing in complete myths, without any foundation, part of that old freemarket communism. The old Wealth of Nations by giving our economy away. The idea that Blue Cross or any other insurance company lost any number of millions because of Obamacare is ridiculous. It means they are innumerate, they have actuaries that priced the policies, and they made the law.

The idea that big private enterprise is efficient in any respect is ridiculous.




mnottertail -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (4/26/2016 6:16:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

But in other news today:

Medicaid spending, courtesy of Obamas medicaid expansion now comprises more than 1/3 of the states budges in more than 1/2 the states. And this is before the states requirements to kick in extra funds occurs.

More people have enrolled via medicaid than through ACA exchanges, in fact.



Well, thats good, then they aren't going to be able to afford to keep making unconstitutional laws and spending money (that is not theirs) on lawsuits down there in the welfare south, they are going to have to start becoming producers instead of takers and welfare patients. Bout time, having given those welfare state nutsuckers a free ride since the founding of this country.




bounty44 -> RE: Lies your president told you about Obamacare (5/11/2016 6:43:36 PM)

"Obama Speechwriters Laugh About 'You Can Keep It' Obamacare Lie"

quote:

Three of President Obama’s former speechwriters, David Litt, Jon Lovett, and Jon Favreau, sat down with journalist Charlie Rose on his PBS show, where the three men cracked some jokes about one of the biggest lies that emanated from this administration: If you like your health care plan, you can keep it

quote:

CHARLIE ROSE: My point is do you have equal impact on serious speeches? Because it’s about style, use of language, etcetera?

JON LOVETT, FORMER OBAMA SPEECH WRITER: I really like, I was very — the joke speeches is the most fun part of this. But the things I’m the most proud of were the most serious speeches, I think. Health care, economic speeches.

JON FAVREAU, FORMER OBAMA SPEECH WRITER: Lovett wrote the line about “If you like your insurance, you can keep it.”

LOVETT: How dare you!

[laughter]




"More Americans are opting to remain uninsured because it’s more economical for them"

"UnitedHealth, one of the largest health care providers in the country, pulled out of the Obamacare exchanges in two states after incurring horrific losses, and might pull out from the individual market altogether by 2017."

"The last remaining Obamacare exchanges are on the brink of collapse, and billions have been wasted as a result. In a recent CBO projection, Obamacare’s enrollment numbers for 2016 are off by 24 million. Since the law went into effect, 9 million people (5 million employer-based, 4 million on individual plans) have lost their health insurance. I’m sure they find this hilarious, bros."

and to close:

quote:

Last time I checked, laughing at millions of people who got their insurance gutted because you put to paper a bold-faced lie is sort of messed up.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/05/11/obama-speechwriters-laugh-about-you-can-keep-it-obamacare-lie-n2161286

tell us again comrades how Obamacare is a good thing?






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