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Lucylastic -> Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/7/2016 4:24:21 AM)

Longtime Donald Trump ally Roger Stone is threatening to make public the hotel room numbers of Republican National Convention delegates who switch from Trump to another candidate.
"We’re going to have protests, demonstrations. We will disclose the hotels and the room numbers of those delegates who are directly involved in the steal," Stone said Monday in a discussion with Stefan Molyneux on Freedomain Radio, as he alleged that Trump's opponents planned to deny the democratic will of Republican primary voters.
"If you’re from Pennsylvania, we’ll tell you who the culprits are. We urge you to visit their hotel and find them. You have a right to discuss this, if you voted in the Pennsylvania primary, for example, and your votes are being disallowed," Stone said.
Stone, a Nixon acolyte and master of political dirty tricks, has claimed at various points that the political establishment is trying to steal the Republican nomination from Trump, with whom he formally parted ways last summer but remains an informal adviser of sorts. He's now vowing "days of rage" on the banks of Lake Erie if the Republican Party tries any funny business at the convention in Cleveland.
“They’re trying to steal it in two different ways. It is interesting to me that in every primary or caucus where Ted Cruz won, we have certified, proven, sworn evidence of massive voter fraud, which will later be presented to the credentials committee in Cleveland in an attempt to unseat delegates who were illegally elected," Stone claimed.
The other way method of theft, Stone elaborated, is "the phenomena of the Trojan Horse delegates, where Trump has won a primary, let’s take Texas for example — or he’s won a share of the votes in a primary. Trump got 40 percent of the vote in Texas; he’s entitled to 40 percent of the delegates. There’s 100 delegates from Texas. That’s 40 delegates. And they are pledged by party rules to vote for Trump on the first ballot."
"But the actual people in those delegate seats will be anti-Trump party hacks who will vote against Trump on procedural matters such as the seating of delegates or the rules under which this convention will be conducted," Stone said, pointing to the example of Louisiana, where Cruz's allies in the local GOP muscled out pro-Trump delegates even though Trump won the popular vote.
Trump initially threatened to sue the Cruz campaign, Stone noted, though he quickly realized he would have to seek redress through the Republican National Committee's internal procedures.
Laying out what he thought would happen, Stone continued: "Either Trump will have 1,237 votes in which case the party will try to throw out some of those delegates in a naked attempt to try to steal this from Donald Trump, or he will be just short of 1,237, in which case many of his own delegates, or, I should say people in his delegate seats will abandon him on the second ballot."
"So the fix is in," Stone concluded. "If Trump does not run the table on the rest of the primaries and the caucuses, we’re looking at a very, very narrow path in which the kingmakers go all out to cheat, to steal and to snatch this nomination from the candidate who was overwhelmingly selected by the voters, which is why I have urged Trump supporters: Come to Cleveland, march on Cleveland, join us in the Forest City."


Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/roger-stone-donald-trump-delegates-convention-hotel-221586#ixzz458QPnpyl




KenDckey -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/7/2016 5:03:38 AM)

I believe this is very possible. Trump, recognizing that voting isn't complete, is a couple million popular votes ahead. The RNC doesn't like Trump, mostly I think because he is both a wild card and not an insider. I do believe there will be a contested convention. Once that happens the delegates can vote for whomever they want and so pressure is being applied. I personally, don;t like dirty politics, but it is a reality of life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/7/2016 8:54:26 AM)

A right to "discuss" it with them. Yeah right.




thompsonx -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/7/2016 11:01:09 AM)


ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

A right to "discuss" it with them. Yeah right.

Would the discussion be amongst those who are equally armed...open carry and all???




DesideriScuri -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/7/2016 3:47:35 PM)

Read an interesting article on Yahoo today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-republican-party-can-t-1402047670140982.html

Apparently, the Super Delegate system was put in place to let the party bosses have more control of the process, and Trump is that type of candidate the current method of nominating was put in place to control.
    quote:

    The job of a political party, though, isn’t simply to validate the vote, to lend itself out as a vehicle for whatever uprising has suddenly taken hold in its ranks. Parties exist to advance agendas, to enact policies, to attain and hold power. They exist, in other words, to win.

    Trump doesn’t really adhere to any governing agenda, and a mountain of polls suggest that he repulses a strikingly high percentage of voters.

    If Trump arrives in Cleveland with 1,237 delegates, then he’s earned the nomination, without having resorted to subterfuge or even having tapped his own fortune, and Republicans are stuck with him anyway. But if that number tops out at 1,236, then you can bet the party’s leaders will explore their options.


I see it as more and more likely that Trump doesn't get to 1,237 and is refused the nomination.

He's not exactly a Republican, and doesn't support all the Republican party planks. Paul Ryan said something to the effect that it's important that the GOP nominates a Republican, and shouldn't grant the nomination to someone who doesn't measure up.




Lucylastic -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/7/2016 4:02:04 PM)

Lol, thers all kinds of fun coming up.
Loving the reap what you have sewn aspect.
Generic you....not personal.
The farce just grows uglier




Termyn8or -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/7/2016 6:10:23 PM)

FR

If the party does not go with the will of the People, they should NOT be a party.

T^T




Wayward5oul -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/7/2016 7:02:38 PM)

I read that article today too, and I thought it made some good points that I had not heard being discussed before. Particularly the part about how the people voting in the Republican primaries really aren't a good representation of the Republican party as a whole. With that argument, then no, no one has the majority support of the party.




JVoV -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/7/2016 11:12:00 PM)

I'm pretty sure that both conventions are going to be much more heated than they've been in recent years. And I don't know that either party can survive until November.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/9/2016 7:56:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

He's not exactly a Republican, and doesn't support all the Republican party planks. Paul Ryan said something to the effect that it's important that the GOP nominates a Republican, and shouldn't grant the nomination to someone who doesn't measure up.

If the people support someone who does not support the planks, then maybe they should take a hint and change the planks.




Lucylastic -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/9/2016 8:06:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Read an interesting article on Yahoo today.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-republican-party-can-t-1402047670140982.html

Apparently, the Super Delegate system was put in place to let the party bosses have more control of the process, and Trump is that type of candidate the current method of nominating was put in place to control.
    quote:

    The job of a political party, though, isn’t simply to validate the vote, to lend itself out as a vehicle for whatever uprising has suddenly taken hold in its ranks. Parties exist to advance agendas, to enact policies, to attain and hold power. They exist, in other words, to win.

    Trump doesn’t really adhere to any governing agenda, and a mountain of polls suggest that he repulses a strikingly high percentage of voters.

    If Trump arrives in Cleveland with 1,237 delegates, then he’s earned the nomination, without having resorted to subterfuge or even having tapped his own fortune, and Republicans are stuck with him anyway. But if that number tops out at 1,236, then you can bet the party’s leaders will explore their options.


I see it as more and more likely that Trump doesn't get to 1,237 and is refused the nomination.

He's not exactly a Republican, and doesn't support all the Republican party planks. Paul Ryan said something to the effect that it's important that the GOP nominates a Republican, and shouldn't grant the nomination to someone who doesn't measure up.

RYan is looking to be the next presidential candidate..




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/9/2016 9:17:09 AM)

quote:

If the people support someone who does not support the planks, then maybe they should take a hint and change the planks.

Now you're just being silly




joether -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/9/2016 10:08:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Longtime Donald Trump ally Roger Stone is threatening to make public the hotel room numbers of Republican National Convention delegates who switch from Trump to another candidate.
"We’re going to have protests, demonstrations. We will disclose the hotels and the room numbers of those delegates who are directly involved in the steal," Stone said Monday in a discussion with Stefan Molyneux on Freedomain Radio, as he alleged that Trump's opponents planned to deny the democratic will of Republican primary voters.
"If you’re from Pennsylvania, we’ll tell you who the culprits are. We urge you to visit their hotel and find them. You have a right to discuss this, if you voted in the Pennsylvania primary, for example, and your votes are being disallowed," Stone said.


Let's see if we can predict events before they happen....scientifically...

Angry Conservative + Alcoholic Beverages + Guns + Hatred + Paranoia = More votes for the Democrats in November!

Yes, the Trump campaign wants people whom can't think for themselves, to aggressively pursue other people and get them to 'vote' for Trump. I'm assuming this implies "by any means". For a long time, conservatives just do not understand the concept "The Ends Justify The Means" as being a 'right' a tyrant would use to gain/hold power. Seems once more they will be presented with this test.......and.......fail it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Stone, a Nixon acolyte and master of political dirty tricks, has claimed at various points that the political establishment is trying to steal the Republican nomination from Trump, with whom he formally parted ways last summer but remains an informal adviser of sorts. He's now vowing "days of rage" on the banks of Lake Erie if the Republican Party tries any funny business at the convention in Cleveland.
“They’re trying to steal it in two different ways. It is interesting to me that in every primary or caucus where Ted Cruz won, we have certified, proven, sworn evidence of massive voter fraud, which will later be presented to the credentials committee in Cleveland in an attempt to unseat delegates who were illegally elected," Stone claimed.


"...massive voter fraud...", eh?

But....but....but.....those states have voter ID cards required. If there was massive voter fraud in those states that require one to show their voter ID card; then those laws....CLEARLY....do not work. Of course, this Mr. Stone has to show....EVIDENCE....of massive voter fraud. Which he has none. All he has is a mouth that spews bullshit, crap, and lies.

Typical fare for conservatives these days....

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
The other way method of theft, Stone elaborated, is "the phenomena of the Trojan Horse delegates, where Trump has won a primary, let’s take Texas for example — or he’s won a share of the votes in a primary. Trump got 40 percent of the vote in Texas; he’s entitled to 40 percent of the delegates. There’s 100 delegates from Texas. That’s 40 delegates. And they are pledged by party rules to vote for Trump on the first ballot."


Assuming the RNC doesn't change the rules. Again, babble from someone that should be locked up in an institution and given non-stop therapy to treat that paranoia....

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
"But the actual people in those delegate seats will be anti-Trump party hacks who will vote against Trump on procedural matters such as the seating of delegates or the rules under which this convention will be conducted," Stone said, pointing to the example of Louisiana, where Cruz's allies in the local GOP muscled out pro-Trump delegates even though Trump won the popular vote.
Trump initially threatened to sue the Cruz campaign, Stone noted, though he quickly realized he would have to seek redress through the Republican National Committee's internal procedures.


It must shock this moron to no end that we do not live in The Tyrannical States of Trumpdom. That no one outside his petty organization really gives a shit about his candidate.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Laying out what he thought would happen, Stone continued: "Either Trump will have 1,237 votes in which case the party will try to throw out some of those delegates in a naked attempt to try to steal this from Donald Trump, or he will be just short of 1,237, in which case many of his own delegates, or, I should say people in his delegate seats will abandon him on the second ballot."


Why should Mr. Trump be automatically given the 1237 delegates to vote? Because Mr. Stone is mentally and emotionally a child? Last I checked, Mr. Trump is down by some five hundred or so delegates. If no one candidate has the 1237 votes, then it goes to a second ballot. Those delegates, are free to vote as they wish, Mr. Stone.....

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
"So the fix is in," Stone concluded. "If Trump does not run the table on the rest of the primaries and the caucuses, we’re looking at a very, very narrow path in which the kingmakers go all out to cheat, to steal and to snatch this nomination from the candidate who was overwhelmingly selected by the voters, which is why I have urged Trump supporters: Come to Cleveland, march on Cleveland, join us in the Forest City."


"....overwhelmingly selected by the voters..."? Really? He got not just the Republican voters, but EVERYONE else to vote for him? I think those Democrats would point out they are voting for people with some real class, education, and ability to get shit done!

Further, Mr. Stone is bitching about a political party that might cheat, steal, and change rules for its own end. Hey Mr. Stone....Welcome....to the Republican Party. A political party that has been nothing but a band of liars, cheaters, and thieves over over two decades.




nighthawk3569 -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/9/2016 10:50:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

quote:

If the people support someone who does not support the planks, then maybe they should take a hint and change the planks.

Now you're just being silly


By all means, change the planks. After all, it's the people who rule (supposedly).

Hawk

Actually, I did NOT ask for your opinion, so don't bother giving it.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/9/2016 2:21:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
He's not exactly a Republican, and doesn't support all the Republican party planks. Paul Ryan said something to the effect that it's important that the GOP nominates a Republican, and shouldn't grant the nomination to someone who doesn't measure up.

If the people support someone who does not support the planks, then maybe they should take a hint and change the planks.


I disagree. I think it's better to stand for something and let the votes fall where they may. Don't nominate a guy simply because he's popular, or resonates with a particular electorate. Nominate who stands for the party's values. Let that other guy find the party he actually fits in.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/10/2016 5:14:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
He's not exactly a Republican, and doesn't support all the Republican party planks. Paul Ryan said something to the effect that it's important that the GOP nominates a Republican, and shouldn't grant the nomination to someone who doesn't measure up.

If the people support someone who does not support the planks, then maybe they should take a hint and change the planks.


I disagree. I think it's better to stand for something and let the votes fall where they may. Don't nominate a guy simply because he's popular, or resonates with a particular electorate. Nominate who stands for the party's values. Let that other guy find the party he actually fits in.


Then the party will die as it has proven that its values are not those of the electorate.




Zonie63 -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/10/2016 5:42:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
He's not exactly a Republican, and doesn't support all the Republican party planks. Paul Ryan said something to the effect that it's important that the GOP nominates a Republican, and shouldn't grant the nomination to someone who doesn't measure up.

If the people support someone who does not support the planks, then maybe they should take a hint and change the planks.


I disagree. I think it's better to stand for something and let the votes fall where they may. Don't nominate a guy simply because he's popular, or resonates with a particular electorate. Nominate who stands for the party's values. Let that other guy find the party he actually fits in.



Who should determine the party's values - other than the people who are actually IN the party? If the majority of party members say what their values are, isn't it up to the party to reflect that in their platform?




Termyn8or -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/10/2016 5:50:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Longtime Donald Trump ally Roger Stone is threatening to make public the hotel room numbers of Republican National Convention delegates who switch from Trump to another candidate.
"We’re going to have protests, demonstrations. We will disclose the hotels and the room numbers of those delegates who are directly involved in the steal," Stone said Monday in a discussion with Stefan Molyneux on Freedomain Radio, as he alleged that Trump's opponents planned to deny the democratic will of Republican primary voters.
"If you’re from Pennsylvania, we’ll tell you who the culprits are. We urge you to visit their hotel and find them. You have a right to discuss this, if you voted in the Pennsylvania primary, for example, and your votes are being disallowed," Stone said.


Let's see if we can predict events before they happen....scientifically...

Angry Conservative + Alcoholic Beverages + Guns + Hatred + Paranoia = More votes for the Democrats in November!

Yes, the Trump campaign wants people whom can't think for themselves, to aggressively pursue other people and get them to 'vote' for Trump. I'm assuming this implies "by any means". For a long time, conservatives just do not understand the concept "The Ends Justify The Means" as being a 'right' a tyrant would use to gain/hold power. Seems once more they will be presented with this test.......and.......fail it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Stone, a Nixon acolyte and master of political dirty tricks, has claimed at various points that the political establishment is trying to steal the Republican nomination from Trump, with whom he formally parted ways last summer but remains an informal adviser of sorts. He's now vowing "days of rage" on the banks of Lake Erie if the Republican Party tries any funny business at the convention in Cleveland.
“They’re trying to steal it in two different ways. It is interesting to me that in every primary or caucus where Ted Cruz won, we have certified, proven, sworn evidence of massive voter fraud, which will later be presented to the credentials committee in Cleveland in an attempt to unseat delegates who were illegally elected," Stone claimed.


"...massive voter fraud...", eh?

But....but....but.....those states have voter ID cards required. If there was massive voter fraud in those states that require one to show their voter ID card; then those laws....CLEARLY....do not work. Of course, this Mr. Stone has to show....EVIDENCE....of massive voter fraud. Which he has none. All he has is a mouth that spews bullshit, crap, and lies.

Typical fare for conservatives these days....

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
The other way method of theft, Stone elaborated, is "the phenomena of the Trojan Horse delegates, where Trump has won a primary, let’s take Texas for example — or he’s won a share of the votes in a primary. Trump got 40 percent of the vote in Texas; he’s entitled to 40 percent of the delegates. There’s 100 delegates from Texas. That’s 40 delegates. And they are pledged by party rules to vote for Trump on the first ballot."


Assuming the RNC doesn't change the rules. Again, babble from someone that should be locked up in an institution and given non-stop therapy to treat that paranoia....

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
"But the actual people in those delegate seats will be anti-Trump party hacks who will vote against Trump on procedural matters such as the seating of delegates or the rules under which this convention will be conducted," Stone said, pointing to the example of Louisiana, where Cruz's allies in the local GOP muscled out pro-Trump delegates even though Trump won the popular vote.
Trump initially threatened to sue the Cruz campaign, Stone noted, though he quickly realized he would have to seek redress through the Republican National Committee's internal procedures.


It must shock this moron to no end that we do not live in The Tyrannical States of Trumpdom. That no one outside his petty organization really gives a shit about his candidate.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Laying out what he thought would happen, Stone continued: "Either Trump will have 1,237 votes in which case the party will try to throw out some of those delegates in a naked attempt to try to steal this from Donald Trump, or he will be just short of 1,237, in which case many of his own delegates, or, I should say people in his delegate seats will abandon him on the second ballot."


Why should Mr. Trump be automatically given the 1237 delegates to vote? Because Mr. Stone is mentally and emotionally a child? Last I checked, Mr. Trump is down by some five hundred or so delegates. If no one candidate has the 1237 votes, then it goes to a second ballot. Those delegates, are free to vote as they wish, Mr. Stone.....

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
"So the fix is in," Stone concluded. "If Trump does not run the table on the rest of the primaries and the caucuses, we’re looking at a very, very narrow path in which the kingmakers go all out to cheat, to steal and to snatch this nomination from the candidate who was overwhelmingly selected by the voters, which is why I have urged Trump supporters: Come to Cleveland, march on Cleveland, join us in the Forest City."


"....overwhelmingly selected by the voters..."? Really? He got not just the Republican voters, but EVERYONE else to vote for him? I think those Democrats would point out they are voting for people with some real class, education, and ability to get shit done!

Further, Mr. Stone is bitching about a political party that might cheat, steal, and change rules for its own end. Hey Mr. Stone....Welcome....to the Republican Party. A political party that has been nothing but a band of liars, cheaters, and thieves over over two decades.



You are an asshole. Not an idiot or moron or whatever, but an asshole. You have the intelligence but have made decisions like the fucking politburo in the Soviet Union. Please don't ever seek a position of power in my country.

T^T




DesideriScuri -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/10/2016 6:00:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
He's not exactly a Republican, and doesn't support all the Republican party planks. Paul Ryan said something to the effect that it's important that the GOP nominates a Republican, and shouldn't grant the nomination to someone who doesn't measure up.

If the people support someone who does not support the planks, then maybe they should take a hint and change the planks.

I disagree. I think it's better to stand for something and let the votes fall where they may. Don't nominate a guy simply because he's popular, or resonates with a particular electorate. Nominate who stands for the party's values. Let that other guy find the party he actually fits in.

Then the party will die as it has proven that its values are not those of the electorate.


Then so be it. But, I'd rather know that the Party I'm voting for is going to stand for it's planks rather than twist and turn in the wind as political winds shift and swirl. I don't vote Party; I vote for the person and that person's ideas/beliefs. I think it's terrible if someone only votes for one party based on the party.




Termyn8or -> RE: Roger Stone threatening Delegates in Cleveland? (4/10/2016 6:05:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
He's not exactly a Republican, and doesn't support all the Republican party planks. Paul Ryan said something to the effect that it's important that the GOP nominates a Republican, and shouldn't grant the nomination to someone who doesn't measure up.

If the people support someone who does not support the planks, then maybe they should take a hint and change the planks.


I disagree. I think it's better to stand for something and let the votes fall where they may. Don't nominate a guy simply because he's popular, or resonates with a particular electorate. Nominate who stands for the party's values. Let that other guy find the party he actually fits in.



I disagree. At one time the democrats wanted to keep slavery and the republicans abolished it. they have already changed. Now they both want slavery, the only difference is the democrats want to give the slaves a check every month. And then there were the Whigs.

But the Whigs are gone, or disguised. Either way they did not have the support. Also, the republicans were not always ruled by religious idiots. I remember Barry Goldwater warning abo9ut letting the religious idiots taking over the party.

What do you want ? for new political parties to spring up because the old ones have lost so much popular support ? Actually I am for that, but they can't get on the fucking ballot !

We need some serious election reform in this country. So you say they should stick to the party line, fine. but let there be more parties so the People have real choices. We are tired of voting against people.

Really, Obama got the office because people voted against McCain and then Romney. If the party considered them viable candidates they should not be a party, or the assholes who made that decision should not be running the party. Personally I think they wanted to lose.

They want to keep losing because they know that liberals' math skills are even worse that theirs and they want a democrat to preside over the upcoming financial collapse. That is my well considered opinion. Come on, can't get pregnant from a legitimate rape ? Fucking really ? You couldn't do worse if you tried. Well I think they tried. they do not want the whithouse, they want congress.

And that almost makes sense.

What, you think they are that fucking stupid ? Some of them play stupid, but the party leadership is stupid ? I think that is what they want you to think.

And that is not good. this is not an endorsement. this is a statement claiming that they are an insidious force that is against our country and values. I am saying that this is a ploy to make people reject all liberalism in favor of their war mongering and rentes seeking. In no way do I endorse these fucking thugs. Just so you know.

T^T




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