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Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 7:22:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am curious about what Libs think the Navy should do about this.

In my country, Muslims are currently crying discrimination that they cannot work in the Navy Vessels, because the Navy refuses to have two separate kitchens. One Halal and one Non-halal on board their vessels, so they cannot eat the food prepared from the non-halal kitchen thus they are prevented from being able to work in that job.

Our Minister told them that, the food will be pork free, but the ships are not big enough for the luxury of two separate kitchens!

It is difficult to have a halal kitchen in confined spaces such as those aboard Navy vessels. Where we can, we will accommodate. And I’m certain that there are situations where I cannot please or accommodate all requirements. I cannot hand-on-heart assure you all my mobile kitchens are halal. Provisions are available for Muslims on board ships with food options such as seafood, chicken and vegetables. Apart from Islam, religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism and Sikhism also practise certain dietary restrictions. However, we do not insist that public eating places cater to any specific religious requirement rather than encouraging any one religious group to push fully its own strict requirements. These facilitates social integration where Singaporeans come together, eat in the same space and interact. This is the cornerstone of a multiracial society and Singaporeans accept this. The preparation of halal foods require strict adherence to the religious stipulations governing the food stalls, preparation and even storage. So for Navy ships, space is always a premium - which needs to be maximised and prioritised - for key operational requirements in terms of combat systems and equipment spares


I am personally happy with the Minister's answer. He could have gone PC and said something stupid, like, let's make all Navy vessels halal kitchens since ALL other religious group can eat Halal food anyway!

Glad he stood up for this one! But it's exactly this sort of stupid shit that irritates the fuck out of me. NO other religious group demands such things! Not even Jews who don't take pork as well. And guess what? Sikh, Hindus and Buddhists do not eat beef. No special requests for special kitchen from them at all!

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 7:25:07 AM   
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I am curious about what Libs think the Navy should do about this.

In my country, Muslims are currently crying discrimination that they cannot work in the Navy Vessels, because the Navy refuses to have two separate kitchens. One Halal and one Non-halal on board their vessels, so they cannot eat the food prepared from the non-halal kitchen thus they are prevented from being able to work in that job.

Our Minister told them that, the food will be pork free, but the ships are not big enough for the luxury of two separate kitchens!

It is difficult to have a halal kitchen in confined spaces such as those aboard Navy vessels. Where we can, we will accommodate. And I’m certain that there are situations where I cannot please or accommodate all requirements. I cannot hand-on-heart assure you all my mobile kitchens are halal. Apart from Islam, religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism and Sikhism also practise certain dietary restrictions. However, we do not insist that public eating places cater to any specific religious requirement rather than encouraging any one religious group to push fully its own strict requirements. These facilitates social integration where Singaporeans come together, eat in the same space and interact. This is the cornerstone of a multiracial society and Singaporeans accept this.


I am personally happy with the Minister's answer. He could have gone PC and said something stupid, like, let's make all Navy vessels halal kitchens since ALL other religious group can eat Halal food anyway!

Glad he stood up for this one! But it's exactly this sort of stupid shit that irritates the fuck out of me. NO other religious group demands such things! Not even Jews who don't take pork as well. And guess what? Sikh and Buddhists do not eat beef. No special requests for special kitchen from them at all!


Jesus you are phoquing stupid!

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 7:30:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Which part of it do you think is stupid exactly? You don't think Muslims crying for their own personalised kitchen in a navy vessel is excessive?

I just want to know how many libs thinks this is a perfectly reasonable request and we should accommodate these Muslims on their demands, so that they won't miss out on being able to work inside a navy vessel.

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 7:49:02 AM   
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Which part of it do you think is stupid exactly? You don't think Muslims crying for their own personalised kitchen in a navy vessel is excessive?

I just want to know how many libs thinks this is a perfectly reasonable request and we should accommodate these Muslims on their demands,

Your use of we in this instance would indicate that you are talking about the u.s. navy. Which would be one more indicator that you are from idaho and not that third world shithole called singapore.


so that they won't miss out on being able to work inside a navy vessel.

That you would see this as a left/right paradigm is telling.
Pretty easy to find out. Just walk into any navy recruiter's office and ask what the policy in the navy is.
You see I don't know and to borrow a phrase from ds..."I do not have enough fucks to give about this issue".



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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 7:52:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		My personal feeling is that religious requirements are the responsibility of the person practicing a religion, and no one else. I doubt that joining the Navy is a religious requirement, so if you need to eat halal, and the Navy can't accommodate, then take responsibility for your own religious obligations and don't join the Navy.

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 7:58:01 AM   
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Your use of we in this instance would indicate that you are talking about the u.s. navy. Which would be one more indicator that you are from idaho and not that third world shithole called singapore.



How stereotypicaly American to assume that when anyone says "we" in their presence, they must mean American. Its a kind of megalomania the rest of the world has come to expect.

... as is the insulting of your own country once they find out you didn't mean America.

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:03:55 AM   
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Your use of we in this instance would indicate that you are talking about the u.s. navy. Which would be one more indicator that you are from idaho and not that third world shithole called singapore.

"We" refers to the whole world! Every country have Navy vessels. There isn't a country without one, so We are ALL in countries with Navy vessels that could be potential Muslim's job, IF only they had a Halal Kitchen in there! But I don't know if US or Canada already put Halal kitchens in their Navy Vessels. I have heard NASA spacecraft has halal kitchens.

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That you would see this as a left/right paradigm is telling.

Because I believe the right will laugh away at such a ridiculous request, while the left would take it seriously and see their point of view of how they are being deprived of an equal job option and actually put a halal kitchen in Navy vessels.


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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:05:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		i think its less an Americanism in this instance and more of Thompson's perverted harassment of greta, his general malevolence, and his inability to understand "we" in a more abstract sense.

he is about the last person me, or many of my fellow americans would want to be lumped in with.

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:08:04 AM   
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Your use of we in this instance would indicate that you are talking about the u.s. navy. Which would be one more indicator that you are from idaho and not that third world shithole called singapore.



How stereotypicaly American to assume that when anyone says "we" in their presence, they must mean American. Its a kind of megalomania the rest of the world has come to expect.

... as is the insulting of your own country once they find out you didn't mean America.

Perhaps a little closer reading of greta's many post on this subject might lead you to believe as I do...that is that she is one of saity's sox.
Why would she be asking amerikan liberals about how they feel about the singapore navy?

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:09:39 AM   
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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:10:53 AM   
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Why would she be asking amerikan liberals about how they feel about the singapore navy?

I am not just asking American liberals. There are many left wings from Europe. I am asking anybody from a country with a Navy Force if they would accede to such Muslim request, in their own country for their own Navy vessels.

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:21:13 AM   
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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:22:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Your use of we in this instance would indicate that you are talking about the u.s. navy. Which would be one more indicator that you are from idaho and not that third world shithole called singapore.



How stereotypicaly American to assume that when anyone says "we" in their presence, they must mean American. Its a kind of megalomania the rest of the world has come to expect.

... as is the insulting of your own country once they find out you didn't mean America.

As with all sterotypes you can always find someone who fits it.
I assumed she meant her nations navy, why else would she say we and not you?
Twice I met Japanese tourists, they had cameras hanging off them, at least two each, does that mean that all Japanese tourists do that, of course not.
I have met lazy stupid blacks, does that mean all blacks are stupid and lazy? Of course not.
I have met white racists, does that mean all white southerners are racists?
Don't be silly.
There is no intend to insult you in any way, but don't lump everyone in together because of a sterotype.

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:22:48 AM   
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Although I totally support any Muslims Against Halal Food!

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:24:11 AM   
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Your use of we in this instance would indicate that you are talking about the u.s. navy. Which would be one more indicator that you are from idaho and not that third world shithole called singapore.



How stereotypicaly American to assume that when anyone says "we" in their presence, they must mean American. Its a kind of megalomania the rest of the world has come to expect.

... as is the insulting of your own country once they find out you didn't mean America.

Perhaps a little closer reading of greta's many post on this subject might lead you to believe as I do...that is that she is one of saity's sox.
Why would she be asking amerikan liberals about how they feel about the singapore navy?


She didn't ask American liberals, she asked liberals in general.

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:31:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		War ships need to balance crew comfort against defense and offensive requirements. I do not believe two kitchens or technique and menu would be a good use of the weight. So it would be a necessity to design the ships as efficiently as possible... That would mean design would not be based on any religion but on storage and efficiency. So there is no other choice....Thus meeting the religious requirments.

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:32:17 AM   
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"We" refers to the whole world! Every country have Navy vessels. There isn't a country without one,

Andora,costa rica,grenada,liechtenstein...the list is here.

http://www.whichcountry.co/which-countries-have-no-military-force/


I have heard NASA spacecraft has halal kitchens.

I have heard that you perpetually have your head up your ass so far that you need a periscope to see where you are going.

That you would see this as a left/right paradigm is telling.

Because I believe the right will laugh away at such a ridiculous request, while the left would take it seriously and see their point of view of how they are being deprived of an equal job option and actually put a halal kitchen in Navy vessels.

Would you have a clue what a halal kitchen is?

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:35:51 AM   
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Would you have a clue what a halal kitchen is?

Yup, definitely. First of all, the only chefs allowed working in it has to be Muslims, as non-muslims have touched many haraam food and cannot handle halal food. All the cutleries and crockeries have to be washed with special halal sand. And all food served in there has to be slaughtered the halal way. (Super inhumane way)

Can't be combined with a normal kitchen, since a normal kitchen only uses normal soap detergent, will have other religious chefs in it, and will not exclusively only use halal certified foods. So technically, a solution is, they can have one kitchen, and just have a halal kitchen, but our Minister chose to say this is impossible, which is not impossible, but I respect him for refusing to do it! I am glad he didn't force everybody else to only eat halal meats.


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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:35:52 AM   
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I think all Muslims should join the western fight against all Muslims! And like Halal or something.

I failed gibberish in school, could you please translate that into english?

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RE: Muslims serving in the Navy - 4/7/2016 8:39:57 AM   
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Would you have a clue what a halal kitchen is?

Yup, definitely. First of all, the only chefs allowed working in it has to be Muslims. All the cutleries and crockeries have to be washed with special halal sand. And all food served in there has to be slaughtered the halal way.

Can't be combined with a normal kitchen, since a normal kitchen only uses normal soap detergent, will have other religious chefs in it, and will not exclusively only use halal certified foods. So technically, a solution is, they can have one kitchen, and just have a halal kitchen, but our Minister chose to say this is impossible, which is not impossible, but I respect him for refusing to do it! And force everybody else to only eat halal meats.

Jesus you are phoqung stupid.

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