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KenDckey -> Fast & Furious is back (4/9/2016 6:47:39 AM)
https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-concession-fast-furious-215816400.html?nhp=1 Be nice to see the record

joether -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/9/2016 10:14:42 AM)
I guess the Republicans in Congress have nothing better to do with their time, eh? Like....run the country? I predicted at the start of the current session of House members, that this group would accomplish.... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF USE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. After 17 months of House Republican bullshit, I am correct. Further, they are looking for something.....ANYTHING....to attack Democrats on. They can not attack them on a whole host of things, like foreign policy, domestic policy, or reality. I heard that many of those first time Tea Partier's in the House are leaving after this current session, to 'pursue other things in life'. No, the GOP realizes these morons have done absolutely nothing. That the Democratic challengers can more easily convince people whom are angered at Congress doing nothing, to vote for them. Since last time Democrats controlled Congress, SHIT GOT DONE! Don't believe me? Check out that Affordable Care Act!

ifmaz -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/9/2016 1:47:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether I guess the Republicans in Congress have nothing better to do with their time, eh? Like....run the country? I predicted at the start of the current session of House members, that this group would accomplish.... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF USE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. After 17 months of House Republican bullshit, I am correct. Further, they are looking for something.....ANYTHING....to attack Democrats on. They can not attack them on a whole host of things, like foreign policy, domestic policy, or reality. I heard that many of those first time Tea Partier's in the House are leaving after this current session, to 'pursue other things in life'. No, the GOP realizes these morons have done absolutely nothing. That the Democratic challengers can more easily convince people whom are angered at Congress doing nothing, to vote for them. Since last time Democrats controlled Congress, SHIT GOT DONE! Don't believe me? Check out that Affordable Care Act! It's good to see where you stand on this issue: a border patrol agent was killed yet you do not wish your precious political party any superficial harm.

bounty44 -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/9/2016 2:10:55 PM)
i think its helpful to post some stuff from the link so the reader can see just what an hyper-partisan hack joether really is: quote: Almost inevitably, Fast and Furious was a fiasco. It didn’t snag any big fish, and the ATF lost track of 2,000 guns, including two that were found after the 2010 murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. The dispute is not over whether Fast and Furious failed, but over who is to blame... The House Oversight and Government Committee demanded documents from the administration. The White House refused, saying that it had already turned over enough material and made Holder available for hearings. Obama granted Holder the right to invoke executive privilege, infuriating the committee’s Republicans. [yeah, the truth doesn't really matter when its your team does it joether?] In an unprecedented move, the House held Holder in contempt, the first time a sitting attorney general had been chastised in that way. ...perhaps the documents will finally allow a clear picture of whether there was a vast conspiracy to cover up Fast and Furious or whether, as the White House insists, this was only ever the story of a few rogue agents.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/9/2016 2:17:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether I guess the Republicans in Congress have nothing better to do with their time, eh? Like....run the country? I predicted at the start of the current session of House members, that this group would accomplish.... I didn't realize the country stopped running.

Termyn8or -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/10/2016 6:47:06 AM)
"Since last time Democrats controlled Congress, SHIT GOT DONE! Don't believe me? Check out that Affordable Care Act!" Yeah, the biggest fucking disaster to ever hit this country. T^T

joether -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/10/2016 7:49:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz quote: ORIGINAL: joether I guess the Republicans in Congress have nothing better to do with their time, eh? Like....run the country? I predicted at the start of the current session of House members, that this group would accomplish.... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF USE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. After 17 months of House Republican bullshit, I am correct. Further, they are looking for something.....ANYTHING....to attack Democrats on. They can not attack them on a whole host of things, like foreign policy, domestic policy, or reality. I heard that many of those first time Tea Partier's in the House are leaving after this current session, to 'pursue other things in life'. No, the GOP realizes these morons have done absolutely nothing. That the Democratic challengers can more easily convince people whom are angered at Congress doing nothing, to vote for them. Since last time Democrats controlled Congress, SHIT GOT DONE! Don't believe me? Check out that Affordable Care Act! It's good to see where you stand on this issue: a border patrol agent was killed yet you do not wish your precious political party any superficial harm. Someone dead on the border and you think we should have a full congressinal investigation? OK....Devil's Advocate.... Can you explain to me why we did not see the Republican Party investigate any of the 17 Benghazi-like events that took place during President George W. Bush's eight years in office? To the same level of effort and motivation as they 'attacked' the current President and Hillary Clinton on Benghazi? No? Then shut the fuck up! Let's move on to issue #2: Show me the location of....ALL...WMDs found in Iraq down to the square milimeter. This would be chemical, biological, and nuclear if your unclear to the subject. After all...3000 of our troops were killed in that conflict. Ten times that amount injured. No? Don't got that info either? How about the violations of the 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments during Bush's time in office? That would be those 'enemy combants' we 'took into custody under flimsy charges' and then proceeded to use 'Enhanced Interrogation Technigues' on. Tell me, as a BDSM person, is water boarding torture? Go ahead, try to tell me its not torture (nor a violation of the 8th amendment). Why were they enemy combatants and not POWs? Because we would have to treat them better. Why should a Southern Christian asshole be nice to Muslims? How about not questioning the sixty times your party tried to defund a project that allows tens of millions of Americans to have healthcare? Your party seems to have a problem when the Democrats tried to reduce military spending twice, but 'OK' with reducing the funding for the ACA 63+ times? You try to mock me on not being accountable and responsible; Where is yours? Not even an ounce of outrage to what the GOP/TP has done to this nation. In fact, right now, one of the top two candidates running for your party's nomination is a fucking NAZI! The other is so completely unaware that he is in the United States; that we have laws that prevent him from seeking godhood. You can not hold your party accountable nor responsible to crimes past or present for even a nanosecond!

joether -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/10/2016 7:53:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether I guess the Republicans in Congress have nothing better to do with their time, eh? Like....run the country? I predicted at the start of the current session of House members, that this group would accomplish.... I didn't realize the country stopped running. What has the Republican controlled Congress done for America in the last 17 months that is note worthy? In other words, looking for something on the level of the Affordable Care Act. That improves our lives, nation, etc. I rest my case....

Nnanji -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/10/2016 8:37:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether I guess the Republicans in Congress have nothing better to do with their time, eh? Like....run the country? I predicted at the start of the current session of House members, that this group would accomplish.... I didn't realize the country stopped running. Kinda makes you feel nostalgic for a government shut down.

ifmaz -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/10/2016 1:39:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz quote: ORIGINAL: joether I guess the Republicans in Congress have nothing better to do with their time, eh? Like....run the country? I predicted at the start of the current session of House members, that this group would accomplish.... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF USE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. After 17 months of House Republican bullshit, I am correct. Further, they are looking for something.....ANYTHING....to attack Democrats on. They can not attack them on a whole host of things, like foreign policy, domestic policy, or reality. I heard that many of those first time Tea Partier's in the House are leaving after this current session, to 'pursue other things in life'. No, the GOP realizes these morons have done absolutely nothing. That the Democratic challengers can more easily convince people whom are angered at Congress doing nothing, to vote for them. Since last time Democrats controlled Congress, SHIT GOT DONE! Don't believe me? Check out that Affordable Care Act! It's good to see where you stand on this issue: a border patrol agent was killed yet you do not wish your precious political party any superficial harm. Someone dead on the border and you think we should have a full congressinal investigation? (snip retarded nonsense about one party doing it first) You can not hold your party accountable nor responsible to crimes past or present for even a nanosecond! Again, and hopefully for the last time: I am not a member of the republican party. Your arguments always consist of "well the republicans did it first" as if that excuses additional government stupidity. You are a statist lapdog unable to see the hypocrisy of your own statements.

thompsonx -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/10/2016 3:03:13 PM)
ORIGINAL: ifmaz It's good to see where you stand on this issue: a border patrol agent was killed So what???

DesideriScuri -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/10/2016 4:26:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether OK....Devil's Advocate.... Can you explain to me why we did not see the Republican Party investigate any of the 17 Benghazi-like events that took place during President George W. Bush's eight years in office? To the same level of effort and motivation as they 'attacked' the current President and Hillary Clinton on Benghazi? Maybe because no one lied and tried to cover them up? No one blamed them on a stupid YouTube video? Maybe, just maybe, there wasn't anything "strange" in the lead up or aftermath? quote: You try to mock me on not being accountable and responsible; Where is yours? Not even an ounce of outrage to what the GOP/TP has done to this nation. In fact, right now, one of the top two candidates running for your party's nomination is a fucking NAZI! The other is so completely unaware that he is in the United States; that we have laws that prevent him from seeking godhood. Cite please.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/10/2016 4:31:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether I guess the Republicans in Congress have nothing better to do with their time, eh? Like....run the country? I predicted at the start of the current session of House members, that this group would accomplish.... I didn't realize the country stopped running. What has the Republican controlled Congress done for America in the last 17 months that is note worthy? In other words, looking for something on the level of the Affordable Care Act. That improves our lives, nation, etc. I rest my case.... You rest your case on nothing. Obamacare isn't the gift from God that you think it is. It's not good legislation. It's not really helping, overall. So, I, for one, am extremely happy the GOP hasn't done anything to the level of Obamacare for the US. Extremely happy. You're not likely to agree that a bill the GOP approves of actually improves our lives or our nation, so you want me to perform a miracle. I'm not Bones McCoy. I'm nowhere near as good as he. I'm not even a doctor, Joe.

Phydeaux -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/10/2016 5:17:56 PM)
Oh, cmon Des. Every good piece of legistlation goes to the supreme court 4 times. Is unpopular with the american people - before it was passed, while it was passed, and after it was passed.

mnottertail -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/11/2016 9:57:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether OK....Devil's Advocate.... Can you explain to me why we did not see the Republican Party investigate any of the 17 Benghazi-like events that took place during President George W. Bush's eight years in office? To the same level of effort and motivation as they 'attacked' the current President and Hillary Clinton on Benghazi? Maybe because no one lied and tried to cover them up? No one blamed them on a stupid YouTube video? Maybe, just maybe, there wasn't anything "strange" in the lead up or aftermath? No one lied and tried to cover up Benghazi. No one blamed them on a stupid Youtube video.

joether -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/11/2016 11:48:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "Since last time Democrats controlled Congress, SHIT GOT DONE! Don't believe me? Check out that Affordable Care Act!" Yeah, the biggest fucking disaster to ever hit this country. Thanks to it, 26+ million people whom could not get access to healthcare are now able. The majority being individuals whom were already working at the time (i.e. small business employees). You do not like it, because others told you not to like it. Its not like you read the law from cover to cover to know what is and isn't within it.....

joether -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/11/2016 11:59:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether OK....Devil's Advocate.... Can you explain to me why we did not see the Republican Party investigate any of the 17 Benghazi-like events that took place during President George W. Bush's eight years in office? To the same level of effort and motivation as they 'attacked' the current President and Hillary Clinton on Benghazi? Maybe because no one lied and tried to cover them up? No one blamed them on a stupid YouTube video? Maybe, just maybe, there wasn't anything "strange" in the lead up or aftermath? Really? And you know that.....how? Since such knowledge would only come about with a very intensive study and discussion. Kind of like the one Republicans did with Benghazi..... That is the problem you have: no evidence. Since you have no evidence, you resort to bullshitting! I'm just calling out your bullshit.... Americans died in those attacks. Where were all the Republicans, clawing and climbing over each other to start committees to investigate them? To drag the President, Vice President, and Secretary of State before these committees and try to interrogate them? The US History books show this did not happen a single time. Why? Because conservatives do not hold other conservatives to any level of accountability or responsibility with power. quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether You try to mock me on not being accountable and responsible; Where is yours? Not even an ounce of outrage to what the GOP/TP has done to this nation. In fact, right now, one of the top two candidates running for your party's nomination is a fucking NAZI! The other is so completely unaware that he is in the United States; that we have laws that prevent him from seeking godhood. Cite please. Well, much of Mr. Trump's dialogue over the past few months have been linked with Hitler's rants from the 30's-40's. Instead of the evil Jews, it's the evil Muslims. Instead of the blacks, its the Mexicans. Citing requires specific concepts stated and a source. Yet, when the source is many, and Goggle Searches free; I'll assume your intelligent and educated enough to use them to find many examples of Mr. Trump's 'Nazi'-ness..... Mr. Cruz is a fundie pseudo christian. A real Christian would not only bring those fleeing other nations into ours, but help them get started on rebuilding their lives. Does this at all sound like Mr. Cruz? Or the GOP? Or conservatives whom claim they are christian?

joether -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/11/2016 12:18:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether I guess the Republicans in Congress have nothing better to do with their time, eh? Like....run the country? I predicted at the start of the current session of House members, that this group would accomplish.... I didn't realize the country stopped running. What has the Republican controlled Congress done for America in the last 17 months that is note worthy? In other words, looking for something on the level of the Affordable Care Act. That improves our lives, nation, etc. I rest my case.... You rest your case on nothing. When you arrive at an argument, I'll proceed forth. Let me show you why you do not have an argument.... quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Obamacare isn't the gift from God that you think it is. It's not good legislation. It's not really helping, overall. So, I, for one, am extremely happy the GOP hasn't done anything to the level of Obamacare for the US. Extremely happy. Did you actually.....READ....the Affordable Care Act that is the law of the land? No? How could you know if its a good law or not? 26+ million people; whom did not have healthcare before, now have access to it. Plenty of employees of small businesses can now have access to healthcare were as before it was REALLY expensive. Children whom are under the age of 27 can use their parent's healthcare; try affording college with healthcare because you suffered from cancer at the time (I knew of one Domme that was in that problem). There is a number of preventive medicine processes that are now free, regardless of which of the four plan times one has access to. What are those plans? Well, if you had read the ACA, you would know that, right? Also, if you had read US History, you would know much of the things found in the ACA, were of Republican origins. Which means, you should hate the Republican Party just as much.... quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You're not likely to agree that a bill the GOP approves of actually improves our lives or our nation, so you want me to perform a miracle. First they actually have to have one....IN WRITING....for me to determine if it would be a better law. Saying "The GOP has a better healthcare bill" means nothing if there is not actual bill ready for a signature by the President of the United States of America. The GOP's healthcare bill is much like those 'fair/flat tax' schemes that are brought up every so often. Light on details and heavy on bullshit. That you never seem to have a problem with these bills shows your inability to know what makes for "....good legislation." quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I'm not Bones McCoy. I'm nowhere near as good as he. I'm not even a doctor, Joe. That would be Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy; of the Starship NCC-1701 "Enterprise" of the Federation of Planets. Funny that you bring this up, since by that time, their healthcare system is levels beyond ours and has nearly removed the need for money (Capitalism being a 'dinosaur' concept by that time). But that's all fiction,.....SCIENCE....fiction! Which means there is no way for you to be Mr. McCoy (nor Mr. S. Holmes). Most doctors feel the ACA is 'fine' but could be vastly improved upon (something most conservatives hate to hear). If the ACA was not established, many more people would be without coverage. As the rise of costs pushed even mid-sized companies to forgo giving healthcare as part of the employment package. Bankruptcies due to medical bills would not only be the #1 leading cause of bankruptcies in America; but would start raising everyone else's rates (thus forcing more people out of healthcare coverage). A vicious cycle. One you were not aware of at the time!

DesideriScuri -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/11/2016 1:26:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether OK....Devil's Advocate.... Can you explain to me why we did not see the Republican Party investigate any of the 17 Benghazi-like events that took place during President George W. Bush's eight years in office? To the same level of effort and motivation as they 'attacked' the current President and Hillary Clinton on Benghazi? Maybe because no one lied and tried to cover them up? No one blamed them on a stupid YouTube video? Maybe, just maybe, there wasn't anything "strange" in the lead up or aftermath? Really? And you know that.....how? Since such knowledge would only come about with a very intensive study and discussion. Kind of like the one Republicans did with Benghazi..... Seriously? It wasn't announced to the general public the attack was due to a YouTube video? After a few days, information comes out refuting the storyline. All of that happened before the GOP started their witch hunt (and, yes, I do think it's a witch hunt, in it's figurative definition; I do not think Hillary Clinton is an actual witch, so don't accuse me of believing that). I do believe that a false explanation was knowingly given (a lie), though I don't think anything major happened to us because our government lied to us about it. quote: That is the problem you have: no evidence. Since you have no evidence, you resort to bullshitting! I'm just calling out your bullshit.... Americans died in those attacks. Where were all the Republicans, clawing and climbing over each other to start committees to investigate them? To drag the President, Vice President, and Secretary of State before these committees and try to interrogate them? The US History books show this did not happen a single time. Why? Because conservatives do not hold other conservatives to any level of accountability or responsibility with power. None of those other 13 were lied about. If you have proof otherwise, please, let us know, otherwise, they aren't like Benghazi, are they? How many of them actually had Americans killed? How many had an ambassador killed? How many lasted hours? quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether You try to mock me on not being accountable and responsible; Where is yours? Not even an ounce of outrage to what the GOP/TP has done to this nation. In fact, right now, one of the top two candidates running for your party's nomination is a fucking NAZI! The other is so completely unaware that he is in the United States; that we have laws that prevent him from seeking godhood. Cite please. Well, much of Mr. Trump's dialogue over the past few months have been linked with Hitler's rants from the 30's-40's. Instead of the evil Jews, it's the evil Muslims. Instead of the blacks, its the Mexicans. Citing requires specific concepts stated and a source. Yet, when the source is many, and Goggle Searches free; I'll assume your intelligent and educated enough to use them to find many examples of Mr. Trump's 'Nazi'-ness..... So, you want me to do your research. Not going to happen, Joether. Your claim to back up. quote: Mr. Cruz is a fundie pseudo christian. A real Christian would not only bring those fleeing other nations into ours, but help them get started on rebuilding their lives. Does this at all sound like Mr. Cruz? Or the GOP? Or conservatives whom claim they are christian? Who the fuck are you to define what a "real Christian" would do? That's right. You have zero credibility to define what a "real Christian" would do. I do not disagree that Cruz is a fake. I do not support him as a candidate. He strikes me as everything bad about the stereotypical used car and snake oil salesman.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Fast & Furious is back (4/11/2016 1:38:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether I guess the Republicans in Congress have nothing better to do with their time, eh? Like....run the country? I predicted at the start of the current session of House members, that this group would accomplish.... I didn't realize the country stopped running. What has the Republican controlled Congress done for America in the last 17 months that is note worthy? In other words, looking for something on the level of the Affordable Care Act. That improves our lives, nation, etc. I rest my case.... You rest your case on nothing. When you arrive at an argument, I'll proceed forth. Let me show you why you do not have an argument.... So, you're going to proceed, even though there's nothing to proceed about. Flip flop much? quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Obamacare isn't the gift from God that you think it is. It's not good legislation. It's not really helping, overall. So, I, for one, am extremely happy the GOP hasn't done anything to the level of Obamacare for the US. Extremely happy. Did you actually.....READ....the Affordable Care Act that is the law of the land? No? How could you know if its a good law or not? 26+ million people; whom did not have healthcare before, now have access to it. Plenty of employees of small businesses can now have access to healthcare were as before it was REALLY expensive. Children whom are under the age of 27 can use their parent's healthcare; try affording college with healthcare because you suffered from cancer at the time (I knew of one Domme that was in that problem). There is a number of preventive medicine processes that are now free, regardless of which of the four plan times one has access to. What are those plans? Well, if you had read the ACA, you would know that, right? Also, if you had read US History, you would know much of the things found in the ACA, were of Republican origins. Which means, you should hate the Republican Party just as much.... Nope. Didn't read it. Don't need to have read it, either. Healthcare costs are rising. Premiums are rising (which ties directly into the rising costs of healthcare). This didn't really make care affordable. It simply shifted the costs of an overly expensive health care system onto others. That doesn't actually make it affordable. Those preventive medicine processes aren't free. Their costs will get rolled into other categories. You and I both know that, and we both know that we both know that. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You're not likely to agree that a bill the GOP approves of actually improves our lives or our nation, so you want me to perform a miracle. First they actually have to have one....IN WRITING....for me to determine if it would be a better law. Saying "The GOP has a better healthcare bill" means nothing if there is not actual bill ready for a signature by the President of the United States of America. The GOP's healthcare bill is much like those 'fair/flat tax' schemes that are brought up every so often. Light on details and heavy on bullshit. That you never seem to have a problem with these bills shows your inability to know what makes for "....good legislation." See? There's nothing you'd be willing to even look at. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I'm not Bones McCoy. I'm nowhere near as good as he. I'm not even a doctor, Joe. That would be Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy; of the Starship NCC-1701 "Enterprise" of the Federation of Planets. Funny that you bring this up, since by that time, their healthcare system is levels beyond ours and has nearly removed the need for money (Capitalism being a 'dinosaur' concept by that time). But that's all fiction,.....SCIENCE....fiction! Which means there is no way for you to be Mr. McCoy (nor Mr. S. Holmes). Most doctors feel the ACA is 'fine' but could be vastly improved upon (something most conservatives hate to hear). If the ACA was not established, many more people would be without coverage. As the rise of costs pushed even mid-sized companies to forgo giving healthcare as part of the employment package. Bankruptcies due to medical bills would not only be the #1 leading cause of bankruptcies in America; but would start raising everyone else's rates (thus forcing more people out of healthcare coverage). A vicious cycle. One you were not aware of at the time! You might want to stand up next time you read my posts, Joether. It's been said that the taller you are, the less things go over your head. So, here's what you missed... Me: "...so you want me to perform a miracle." [image]http://www.gclan.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/dammitjim.png[/image]

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