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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/10/2016 8:56:09 PM   
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So, in 20 yers we can raise a generation with a decent education and a work ethic.

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/11/2016 6:56:10 AM   
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So, in 20 yers we can raise a generation with a decent education and a work ethic.

Slaves???



Someone with a work ethic is a slave ? Is that what you're saying here ?

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/11/2016 7:05:32 AM   
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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/11/2016 7:59:00 AM   
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So, in 20 yers we can raise a generation with a decent education and a work ethic.

Slaves???



Someone with a work ethic is a slave ? Is that what you're saying here ?

Give management a whip and a gun and watch production go up.

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/12/2016 7:58:03 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		They just about got that thompson. With no real safety net, you actually can starve or freeze to death in this country. A single Man cannot get welfare without kids. Homeless shelters are full up and people have to sleep on the streets. So they can pay you shit wages and make unreasonable demands, because that is how the market is.

I used to have it good, I could get a job easily, but things have changed and I found out how the other half lives. It fucking sucks and it can kill you.

So, what need for a physical gun ? I'll tellya, for when your employees have finally had efuckingnufff and come to kill you.

But things will change when the dollar collapses. We import so much that prices will go ridiculous and people will not be able to afford to eat on wages. When that happens alot more of them will have to take what they need and they know who has it. Employers are going to need a gun but it isn't gong to work well against desperation.

We got quantitative easing and paper gold. Both of these are stopgap measures to forestall the drop in value of the US dollar that real market forces would have caused. As such, regime after regime in Washington simply passes the buck to the next regime, and I believe that is why republicans put out such shitty candidates. They know it is coming and in fact are part of the reason for it, but they want to blame it on a democrat.

Far fetched ? Well you know wars are called campaigns. By keeping congress but leaving the whitehouse alone they got an automatic scapegoat. However, they might let Trump be it because he is not one of theirs. The problem with a Trump presidency is that they might make it a point to destroy him. The republicans tried it with Obama but the democrats did not cooperate. With Trump they probably will.

It is all about money. Theirs. It is always about money, used to be ours. Both sides, all of them.

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/12/2016 8:45:46 PM   
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But things will change when the dollar collapses. We import so much that prices will go ridiculous and people will not be able to afford to eat on wages. When that happens alot more of them will have to take what they need and they know who has it. Employers are going to need a gun but it isn't gong to work well against desperation.

We got quantitative easing and paper gold. Both of these are stopgap measures to forestall the drop in value of the US dollar that real market forces would have caused. As such, regime after regime in Washington simply passes the buck to the next regime, and I believe that is why republicans put out such shitty candidates. They know it is coming and in fact are part of the reason for it, but they want to blame it on a democrat.

T^T

I keep reading this stuff from you and others. I want your explanation of the technicalities and the mechanics of how the above is supposed to happen. I'll give you a few starters.

Dollar crashes. What does that mean ?
Drop in the value of the dollar ? What does that mean ?

The only accurate explanation could be that you must expect hyper-inflation here in the US...why ?

For example, are you aware of what is happening's recently in China vis-a-vis the Yuan and the dollar ? If you don't then the above paragraphs mean nothing which in my mind with all due respect...don't anyway. And all this after the great currency deal between Russia and China no less. [sic]

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/12/2016 8:53:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


So, in 20 yers we can raise a generation with a decent education and a work ethic.

Slaves???



Someone with a work ethic is a slave ? Is that what you're saying here ?

T^T

Actually both can and do likely apply. One can be slave to the system (the fed, the speculators, debt service and the tax code) and have a good work ethic and in fact both conditions could be...forced upon them.


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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/12/2016 10:19:17 PM   
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If Apples encryption is so tough, why isn't the Government using it for their systems??


There's no "Apple Encryption"; Apple, like the US Government (and many other governments) use AES, or the Advanced Encryption Standard, to do "full disk" encryption. The actual algorithm is usually Rijndael, which was developed by two Belgian mathematicians/cryptologists as part of the US NIST (National Institute of Standards & Technology) cryptography competition. Rijndael is publicly available.

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/13/2016 3:51:09 AM   
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But things will change when the dollar collapses. We import so much that prices will go ridiculous and people will not be able to afford to eat on wages. When that happens alot more of them will have to take what they need and they know who has it. Employers are going to need a gun but it isn't gong to work well against desperation.

We got quantitative easing and paper gold. Both of these are stopgap measures to forestall the drop in value of the US dollar that real market forces would have caused. As such, regime after regime in Washington simply passes the buck to the next regime, and I believe that is why republicans put out such shitty candidates. They know it is coming and in fact are part of the reason for it, but they want to blame it on a democrat.

T^T

I keep reading this stuff from you and others. I want your explanation of the technicalities and the mechanics of how the above is supposed to happen. I'll give you a few starters.

Dollar crashes. What does that mean ?
Drop in the value of the dollar ? What does that mean ?

The only accurate explanation could be that you must expect hyper-inflation here in the US...why ?

For example, are you aware of what is happening's recently in China vis-a-vis the Yuan and the dollar ? If you don't then the above paragraphs mean nothing which in my mind with all due respect...don't anyway. And all this after the great currency deal between Russia and China no less. [sic]



These minor currency manipulations don't mean much.

Let me ask YOU a question;

How come all countries have debt ?

Alright the US has the most, many have alot, but which the fuck countries are OWED this money ? Or is there some secret bunch of people who have all the money and just loan it out and we all owe them ?

I can't make it much simpler than that. And the US is going to lead the world into a reform, but how that'll work out I dunno.

There are two numbers, when they cross the USD goes down. Not necessarily to nothing, but quite down. This is exactly what happened to Greece, and the reason is hasn't happened here is because of QE and gold certificates. And a few other things that are not worth going into right now. Like the shit Wall street is still doing.

Hundreds of trillions of dollars in unfunded obligations, nobody can pay that.

And then, whe it gets to that poit social security is gone. Well, actually they can make it solvet, but the working pay 30 %, 15 % employer, and then when you are 85 you get $200 a month when a loaf of bread is $10.

Ask the Greeks. Ask the Greek Parents who took their own kid to the orphanage because they couldn't feed them. Couldn't get any work.

And USians keep on all the time with their fingers in their ears going "LA LEE LA LEE LA LEE CAN'T HAPPEN HERE CAN'T HAPPEN HERE".

I think this next crash is going to bring out the best in everybody. Struggling to eat each other. Obesity will be beat, the skinny run faster than the fat so therefore, who is going to eat who ? (or is that "whom" ?)

I think it is "whom".

Ask the Icelanders what they did to their bankers. I am surprised that there has not been at least ONE Icelander on this board talking about what their country did. Their bankers did the same shit they did here, but there they put them in jail. Are there any Icelanders here ? It sounds like an excellent country, but too cold.

Hungary also kicked the IMF out. they tried to rebut the story bt I found more sources, they got a letter "Get your offices the fuck outta here". Well that is not an exact quote but it was pretty much what it was. Hungary's economy is improving slowly, but it is REAL. They do not have quantitative easing for example, and a few other things like loaning bankers money to buy other banks. They threw a few in jail as well.

There time will come, just like it did in Europe so long ago.

T^T

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/13/2016 4:11:31 AM   
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that is, the govt sold bonds and america bought them. The government borrowed from social security and spent it on worthless military equipment and nutsucker wars, and nutsucker investigations in the legislature, and corporate welfare and so on.

Econ 00000000000001.

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/13/2016 1:09:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
But things will change when the dollar collapses. We import so much that prices will go ridiculous and people will not be able to afford to eat on wages. When that happens alot more of them will have to take what they need and they know who has it. Employers are going to need a gun but it isn't gong to work well against desperation.

We got quantitative easing and paper gold. Both of these are stopgap measures to forestall the drop in value of the US dollar that real market forces would have caused. As such, regime after regime in Washington simply passes the buck to the next regime, and I believe that is why republicans put out such shitty candidates. They know it is coming and in fact are part of the reason for it, but they want to blame it on a democrat.

T^T

I keep reading this stuff from you and others. I want your explanation of the technicalities and the mechanics of how the above is supposed to happen. I'll give you a few starters.

Dollar crashes. What does that mean ?
Drop in the value of the dollar ? What does that mean ?

The only accurate explanation could be that you must expect hyper-inflation here in the US...why ?

For example, are you aware of what is happening's recently in China vis-a-vis the Yuan and the dollar ? If you don't then the above paragraphs mean nothing which in my mind with all due respect...don't anyway. And all this after the great currency deal between Russia and China no less. [sic]



These minor currency manipulations don't mean much.

Let me ask YOU a question;

How come all countries have debt ?

Alright the US has the most, many have alot, but which the fuck countries are OWED this money ? Or is there some secret bunch of people who have all the money and just loan it out and we all owe them ?

I can't make it much simpler than that. And the US is going to lead the world into a reform, but how that'll work out I dunno.

There are two numbers, when they cross the USD goes down. Not necessarily to nothing, but quite down. This is exactly what happened to Greece, and the reason is hasn't happened here is because of QE and gold certificates. And a few other things that are not worth going into right now. Like the shit Wall street is still doing.

Hundreds of trillions of dollars in unfunded obligations, nobody can pay that.

And then, whe it gets to that poit social security is gone. Well, actually they can make it solvet, but the working pay 30 %, 15 % employer, and then when you are 85 you get $200 a month when a loaf of bread is $10.

Ask the Greeks. Ask the Greek Parents who took their own kid to the orphanage because they couldn't feed them. Couldn't get any work.

And USians keep on all the time with their fingers in their ears going "LA LEE LA LEE LA LEE CAN'T HAPPEN HERE CAN'T HAPPEN HERE".

I think this next crash is going to bring out the best in everybody. Struggling to eat each other. Obesity will be beat, the skinny run faster than the fat so therefore, who is going to eat who ? (or is that "whom" ?)

I think it is "whom".

Ask the Icelanders what they did to their bankers. I am surprised that there has not been at least ONE Icelander on this board talking about what their country did. Their bankers did the same shit they did here, but there they put them in jail. Are there any Icelanders here ? It sounds like an excellent country, but too cold.

Hungary also kicked the IMF out. they tried to rebut the story bt I found more sources, they got a letter "Get your offices the fuck outta here". Well that is not an exact quote but it was pretty much what it was. Hungary's economy is improving slowly, but it is REAL. They do not have quantitative easing for example, and a few other things like loaning bankers money to buy other banks. They threw a few in jail as well.

There time will come, just like it did in Europe so long ago.

T^T

Sorry Term, not really even a nice try. The Greek problem is in no way a similar problem. The Greek problems actually spell out why the US specifically does not have the same problem. It is because of the international assessment of the Drachma which ended life at 340 for a single Euro in 2001 kind of gives you a clue.

This both in terms of the relative underlying value of the US dollar, the American labor force, with the dollar still the world's reserve currency, as a store of wealth and safe haven when there is any international financial fears, means there will be no 'crash' of the US dollar in the foreseeable future. (BTW ex: China recently stopped the outflow of the Yuan into what...yep, US dollars)

As I suggested in my last thread, there is no such thing as a universal or sort of omnibus so-called 'crash of the dollar' in the making, as [it] enjoys still far, far too much demand world-wide.

And as for your example of bread going to $10, there is no basis in fact to support that speculation especially given the fact that we have an OP here now about agric. subsidies that confirms what is still a vast capability to over-supply of such products,

Yes, the whole so-called capitalist world and others, are all saddled with debt and because they for various political, domestic, self-deceptive and selfish reasons, piled it on. However, the true test is that the US has cut its borrowing down significantly compared to 2008 and as a percentage of GDP thus now, down to about $1.3 billion/day at the federal level. (Less then 3% of GDP/yr.) PLUS, last I looked, 10 year treasuries still sell out in minutes and still...at very favorable rates.

Hats off to Iceland and Hungary but it is still time that you and others give up on this screech of impending doom (impending for what 8 years now ?) rant that is simply not going to happen as long as the US economy keeps chugging along at $18 trillion GDP as of 4th. qtr. 2015, continues to pay its debt, continues to grow and continues to reduce borrowing.

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/13/2016 2:21:12 PM   
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who will fall to their knees, or do you prefer to be thrashed to them with my toaster

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/13/2016 2:32:43 PM   
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Not surprised Feinstein is involved. That fucking bitch has no idea what the Constitution means. I can't believe people keep electing her but I heard alot of the time she is running unopposed.


More than half the people should not be in Congress! Frankly I think we the people should set down some REAL standards for those wishing to represent our districts and states in Congress. The first would be requiring a BS/BA degree from an accredited college or university with a 3.0 GPA (so that some conservatives could actually run....). Require they only use funds from their day job and no other funds from any other source. Yeah, that would be a good start towards a better Congress. Maybe add in a rule that every three months the people are allowed a vote on how well Congress is doing as a whole. For every 5% below 100%, we execute 'x' people. That way, they are well motivated to get shit done that the bottom 99% want.

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She has no right to be in US government whatsoever, and if she gets ANY votes at all that proves how fucking stupid people are. Or vote fraud, one or the other.


Unfortunately she has a right to be in the US Government. She got elected. Yes, I know, she is terrible at government; but then, so is 100% of the Republican/Tea Party in our government.....


And if we only allowed a Bachelor of Science and no Bachelor of Arts, we'd exclude democrats.

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/13/2016 2:49:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well cruz is the senate science guy, happens to be a nutsucker, does not believe in science. his bachelor was arts.

Lamar Smith the house science guy, happens to be a nutsucker, does not believe in science. his bachelor was arts.

I would say you got to exclude all nutsuckers would appear to be the trend of the data.





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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/13/2016 3:12:37 PM   
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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/13/2016 3:28:51 PM   
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it aint science.

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/14/2016 1:52:02 AM   
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The largest portion of US debt is owed to the citizenry.

that is, the govt sold bonds and america bought them. The government borrowed from social security and spent it on worthless military equipment and nutsucker wars, and nutsucker investigations in the legislature, and corporate welfare and so on.

Econ 00000000000001.


Yeah, a whopping 60 something percent they will never get back. But you did not understand my point.

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/14/2016 2:05:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Sorry Term, not really even a nice try. The Greek problem is in no way a similar problem."

Was a succeed, not a try. The main difference is that the US is using quantitative easing and the issuance of paper gold. Greece cannot do that.

I understand fully that the Greeks cooked the books, actually lied. But if they had the ability to create money out of thin air and invest it like the US does, things would be different. But see things are not different there, they are different here. Even though "only" 35 % of US debt is held overseas, some of the domestic holders are based overseas. The federal reserve itself is not even owned by people here.

I am sorry I cannot feed you all the info so you know what is going on. See, this would be the story of how the rich got rich. Nobody can work that much. You can invent something and for X amount of years you get money for that design. Well they didn't even do that. They cannot because their mentality is take take take and they have no other thoughts.

Politicians, one of them called a travel agency to aks if it would be cheaper to take a bus to Hawaii. One, asked for a visa in another country tried to give her American Express card. And we are all too aware of all the stupid shit these people have said. And the political parties pick them. they are about to prove that this year. This race should be Sanders/Trump and we all know it. If the parties hate them they can't be all bad. But I bet we get Clinton/Bush.

Let them do it. Piss off as many people as possible. Three hundred million gun salute motherfuckers. Satan cried as they came.

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RE: Congress pushes to ban strong encryption - 4/14/2016 3:28:28 AM   
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And if we only allowed a Bachelor of Science and no Bachelor of Arts, we'd exclude democrats.


How anti-intellectual of you.

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