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OsideGirl -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/14/2016 5:16:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Where are your peoples brains at, shame on you. Exactly where you like women to have them....in the gutter!!!!

DeviantlyD -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/14/2016 6:00:44 PM)
Ha! Great minds think alike....and do it in the gutter. grins

tj444 -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/14/2016 6:43:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic oh fucking waaaaah Im sorry, of course they should be allowed to get away with economic vampirism, corruption, and utter disregard for the planet and its inhabitants. Only them and theirs[8\|]god forbid we should be angry at the right people. For Once. Companies make money overseas. Only the United States insist on double taxing corporations - they pay taxes on moneys they make overseas, and they pay us taxes when they repatriate it to the US. Repatriating that money costs them a nominal 35%. No business in its sane mind will repatriate that money. Instead, they will do what they are doing, which use the money overseas. Apple, Google, Microsoft are not 'republican' companies - they routinely donate more than 3:1 to democrats. If you can't get a democrat leaning company to repatriate its funds during a democrat administration - you have to conceed that the tax policy is REALLY screwed up. The average company in the US is earning around 9.6% EBIDA. Rounding up, that means it invests $10 dollars to make $1. The goverment wants them to pay one third of that money. In other words, you invest $10 to make 65 cents. So at the end of the day, you shrill company bashing leftists can try, like socialists always do, to confiscate other peoples money. But at some point people say - I'm not willing to work to create money for you. In other words, they refuse to repatriate money. They perform corporate inversions. You want them to bring the money into the US - make it worthwhile for them to do so. yah but the US govt has had this worldwide taxation on the books since way back around the time it became a country.. and its not just on US based corporations, its on American/green card expats too.. at least the US corps can avoid paying US tax simply by not bringing the profits into the US, real people Americans/green card holders dont get that break, they get taxed on their income no matter where the money is given to them or kept, it doesnt have to enter the US for them to pay tax on it... and Americans that have never even been to the US have to as well, some of them dont even know they are American and required to do that (eg- people that had an American parent).. But lets just for a moment take the US tax stuff out of the picture.. What is the greedy US multinational corps excuse for dodging taxes in other countries??? these US corps that have divisions in other countries like the UK pull tax dodge crap there too!!! they do the double dutch or various other ways of paying little tax in the UK.. There was a little welsh town that decided to do something about it, they did the same thing and set up local businesses that signed up as part of an offshore corp and encouraging other towns/cities to join them.. basically, if the large corps can do it so can they.. There is a BBC documentary about how they did this "The Town that Took on the Taxman". The purpose was to force the govt into changing the laws allowing this and I have heard of a couple of those large US corps being shamed into voluntarily paying their fair share of UK tax.. people are also boycotting the sleazy tax dodging corps as well.. I know for me, we boycotted Kraft when i was a kid, when i see the kraft name i am forever reminded of that.. my latest boycott is of any seed corps owned by evil Monsanto... I dont buy kashi products anymore either, will never buy burts bees.. all cuz they were bought by some big corp and a bean counter decided to cheapen the products.. http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-3408080/Crickhowell-Welsh-town-taking-Google-Amazon-Starbucks-takes-business-taxes-offshore.html "Google, Amazon, Starbucks: The rise of 'tax shaming'" http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20560359

thompsonx -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/14/2016 7:27:21 PM)
ORIGINAL: Nepthys61 While I'm in the checkout line of my local supermarket saying my prayer ("oh dear Lord. let me not embarrass myself by not having enough on my debit card to pay for this bounty, amen"), a typical WQ is dragging 2 full shopping carts and a tribe of "stairsteps" (age range 1 year to 9 years) behind her. She pushes her neatly done weave from her face and frantically digs into her designer handbag in search of her EBT Benefits card to once again feed the family (and some welfare pimp about 20 years old and possibly the daddy of maybe one or two of the kids). Her plentiful bounty comes to her once a month courtesy of the tax payers, the limits of her choices on the EBT Grocery Plan (mostly genetically modified, non nutritional food choices) and the hard work she invested by her career choice of being a mom for as long as her body holds out. If that wq has such an easy life what stops you from doing the same?

kdsub -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/14/2016 8:52:33 PM)
The United States is the world’s largest provider of international food aid, supplying more than half of all food aid designated to alleviate hunger, about four million metric tons of food per year. Yes it can be inefficient but if the recipient countries could produce the needed food they would.. but they can't... and we keep millions from starving. So we are not driving local farmers into bankruptcy because they were not producing the needed food to begin with. There have been suggestions that instead of food money is given... just so local farmers can sell what they produce... If that is done who will they buy the food from? The thing to do is encourage governments to instigate programs to reduce the population to levels they can support. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/14/2016 9:00:41 PM)
Just take a look at THIS site and read where aid is going... then tell me we are doing more harm than good.... If not the US...who? Butch

ifmaz -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/14/2016 9:43:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Just take a look at THIS site and read where aid is going... then tell me we are doing more harm than good.... If not the US...who? Butch If you want to willingly donate to an organization that feeds the hungry that's fine but don't force others to by way of taxes and/or subsidies.

tj444 -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 12:00:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Just take a look at THIS site and read where aid is going... then tell me we are doing more harm than good.... If not the US...who? Butch I am not opposed to truly free food being given to starving people (assuming it actually gets to them) but what i am opposed to is US subsidies Big Ag gets to undercut small farmers & the pressure from Monsanto to use their seeds and roundup to overburden them with debt for the cost of using GMOS etc and put them out of business. I am opposed to the US adding strings when "giving" food to countries with starving people... that does more harm than good.. farmers are committing suicide in India cuz of Monsanto due to the cost every year for their crap.. I think microloans help the most as that money is used by the people to create a way of making money so they can help themselves to provide for their families and get ahead, provide a better life.. "Why trying to help poor countries might actually hurt them Nobel-winning economist Angus Deaton argues against giving aid to poor countries" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/13/why-trying-to-help-poor-countries-might-actually-hurt-them/

DesideriScuri -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 12:19:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub The thing to do is encourage governments to instigate programs to reduce the population to levels they can support. Butch That's kinda chilling there, Butch.

thompsonx -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 4:13:35 AM)
ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Actually, in point of fact, the average social security recipient receives $6 in payouts for every dollar paid in. Google it. You have an uncanny nack for stating the obvious and claiming it means something other than what it does. The next time you go to google check out what the word inflation means.

mnottertail -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 4:25:10 AM)
average social security recipient receives $6 in payouts for every dollar paid in. Google it. googles broke, its not there. didn't expect it was.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 5:20:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub The thing to do is encourage governments to instigate programs to reduce the population to levels they can support. Butch That's kinda chilling there, Butch. I think Butch might have chosen some poor words, there. *Encouraging* birth control is a good idea. Mandating it isn't. However, I think Butch has spoken out *against* the death penalty (I could be wrong). That would certainly reduce the population. So, we seem to have contradiction. Then, there are the obvious issues that the original wording could be twisted to support, which you picked up on, DS. I am positive, though, that that was not what was meant. I believe that there is a "tipping point" (which we may have already reached) as far as the amount of people specific countries and, ultimately, the globe, can support. The argument is: Are we there? Are we close? It's an interesting discussion. Michael

Milady84 -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 5:33:51 AM)
Some people are out of work and they need the assistance. I have been a single mom with two kids and no means of support. I took a low-paying jobs I'm trying to rebuild my life. Since the food stamps and Medicaid really helped for the time I was on it not everybody is out to get as much as they can. So I don't mind paying taxes if it truly helps somebody but no matter what type of programs out that there are always people who abuse it. But I can say it helped me and Thank god it was there

DaddySatyr -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 5:52:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milady84 Some people are out of work and they need the assistance. I have been a single mom with two kids and no means of support. I took a low-paying jobs I'm trying to rebuild my life. Since the food stamps and Medicaid really helped for the time I was on it not everybody is out to get as much as they can. So I don't mind paying taxes if it truly helps somebody but no matter what type of programs out that there are always people who abuse it. But I can say it helped me and Thank god it was there Exactly! However, there's always a percentage of people that are just looking to get over. That's the conundrum. It's why I support certain "requirements" for welfare (when it's to be temporary). There are some people who will never be able to work again. That's an absolute, but there are some people that could work, again and they lack the motivation. I've never collected assistance, but I did collect unemployment once (for about 12 weeks). Just being at the Unemployment office, I could hear people discussing the scams that they were running. That tore me up. Michael

thompsonx -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 7:37:45 AM)
ORIGINAL: kdsub The United States is the world’s largest provider of international food aid, supplying more than half of all food aid designated to alleviate hunger, about four million metric tons of food per year. This from your cite: Approximately 795 million people worldwide suffer from chronic hunger, My caldulator says that is about .44 ounces a day....how can they not be grateful?[8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 7:49:56 AM)
ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr However, there's always a percentage of people that are just looking to get over. That's the conundrum. It's why I support certain "requirements" for welfare (when it's to be temporary). There are some people who will never be able to work again. That's an absolute, but there are some people that could work, again and they lack the motivation. How much motivation would it take for you to take a $5 @hour job if welfare paid $6 @ hour? I've never collected assistance, but I did collect unemployment once (for about 12 weeks). Since unemployment is an insurance policy you paid into as a hedge against becoming unemployed I am not sure what your point is in seeking to attach some tenticle of welfare to it? Just being at the Unemployment office, I could hear people discussing the scams that they were running. That tore me up. Why is that mikey? Is it because you were not clever enough to think them up yourself?Korporate amerika takes advantage of all the legal loopholes and you are kewel with that but not for the not rich????Why come???[8\|]

Phydeaux -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 7:52:38 AM)
Because its morally wrong thompson, regardless of how many people do it. And the fact that you couldn't even imagine that answer pretty much says a lot about you.

bounty44 -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 8:18:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Milady84 Some people are out of work and they need the assistance. I have been a single mom with two kids and no means of support. I took a low-paying jobs I'm trying to rebuild my life. Since the food stamps and Medicaid really helped for the time I was on it not everybody is out to get as much as they can. So I don't mind paying taxes if it truly helps somebody but no matter what type of programs out that there are always people who abuse it. But I can say it helped me and Thank god it was there Exactly! However, there's always a percentage of people that are just looking to get over. That's the conundrum. It's why I support certain "requirements" for welfare (when it's to be temporary). There are some people who will never be able to work again. That's an absolute, but there are some people that could work, again and they lack the motivation. I've never collected assistance, but I did collect unemployment once (for about 12 weeks). Just being at the Unemployment office, I could hear people discussing the scams that they were running. That tore me up. Michael not in disagreement in the least, but at the same time I would add, and im confident we are pretty much in agreement here, it is for situations like that we should also be turning to family, friends, neighbors, the local churches and charities. to the extent that we cannot, don't or wont do those things speaks to how the impersonal government, and somewhat liberal policies have interfered with, and caused the breakdown of traditional, conservative methods of help and support.

mnottertail -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 8:19:24 AM)
but not morally wrong when corporations do it.

kdsub -> RE: Damn Welfare Queens! (4/15/2016 8:28:19 AM)
Yea... lets just let people starve while they beg for donations... We have the resources, the moral obligation, and we are the only nation able or willing to do it. Butch

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