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Tanning -> How to approach a Mistress (4/13/2016 6:45:13 AM)

Okay, so from a few months I'm trying to find a Mistress and I've talked to few.
But what I am still haven't been able to understand is how to approach a 'true' Mistress ?
I added true because seriously I don't care about Findomme, ugh this word shouldn't even exist but back to the topic.
Can anyone help me in this ? How would a Mistress like to be approached as, to received message as ?
I'm really a novice as a submissive, I've no idea. Please someone help me out.




stef -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/13/2016 9:13:47 AM)

They're people, you approach them like you would approach anyone else, as you would like to be approached. This isn't rocket surgery.




DarkSteven -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/13/2016 10:22:48 PM)

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crumpets -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/26/2016 5:09:37 AM)

FR.

Yikes. I read your profile text.

I'm sorry I did.

It was that difficult to get through the two paragraphs.

My advice is that the first way to "approach" wimmins, bearing in mind that they're forced to weed out the riffraff while you're forced to hunt, is that when you do get them into your lair, that there's substance at that lair that is sticky enough for them to be interested in sticking around.

Simply stated, fix the profile first, and THEN worry about "approaching" females.

< disclaimer > I'm as imperfect as any man - so - you're welcome to ignore that advice.




DesFIP -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/26/2016 7:05:00 AM)

Read her profile. Read her forum posts. Then write her a message about something non sexual she wrote about.
Nobody wants to open their email to a strange man talking about his dick.

They don't take as subs, strange men who they don't know and like. Nor would they want some stranger to come into their home.

You have to become friends first.




WickedsDesire -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/26/2016 7:37:17 AM)

Hmm you again - with a slightly different variant.

Unlike you I don't speak to a great many Tops or bottoms or is it mistress and slaves or panting wanton wenches lusting over my darkness. This can be interpreted many ways eg
1. that I, my kind, are simply not in demand.
2. there are almost no wanton wenches on here, or they are outnumbered vastly by man malarkey and hot lesbian bints and bisexuals - who incidentally are 99% men
3. You claim to have spoken to a great many, as you always do not matter your incarnation, so what happened was the problem always them or you


A good paragraph is enough, more would be better and an email with words of value and meaning




crumpets -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/26/2016 8:54:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
Read her profile.
Read her forum posts.
Then write her a message about something non sexual she wrote about.


While nobody would argue with that advice, I wonder if it's the "real problem" here.

Let me ask wimmins, using a specific (common) series of steps:
a. If someone read your profile, read your journal, and read your forum posts, and,
b. If they then wrote something reasonably related about something you've said, but,
c. If you then read their profile, and their profile totally wasn't what you were looking for ...

Would you still respond in a way designed to grow the conversation further?




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/26/2016 10:20:43 AM)

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Would you still respond in a way designed to grow the conversation further?

It depends on what they wrote.




LadyPact -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/26/2016 10:56:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tanning
Okay, so from a few months I'm trying to find a Mistress and I've talked to few.
But what I am still haven't been able to understand is how to approach a 'true' Mistress ?
I added true because seriously I don't care about Findomme, ugh this word shouldn't even exist but back to the topic.
Can anyone help me in this ? How would a Mistress like to be approached as, to received message as ?
I'm really a novice as a submissive, I've no idea. Please someone help me out.

I was going to stay off of this thread after watching the way you got your @ss handed to you over on the other site. (Tough crowd about that "true" Mistress stuff, huh?)

Best advice I can give you? Talk to a person like a person. Don't try initiating some kind of fantasy role play where the 'Mistress' wants some electronic version of you immediately slobbering all over her because before hello, you're just random dude on the internet.

Side advice. If you have a question that you want to ask people and you want a good response, skip the digs on other people's kinks. (In this case, fin kink.) It's completely cool if you don't want to engage in fin kink but that doesn't make you the arbitrator of what works for other people.

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
Let me ask wimmins, using a specific (common) series of steps:
a. If someone read your profile, read your journal, and read your forum posts, and,
b. If they then wrote something reasonably related about something you've said, but,
c. If you then read their profile, and their profile totally wasn't what you were looking for ...

Would you still respond in a way designed to grow the conversation further?

During your time off from the forums, we had a number of threads regarding emails. Some of this is going to be repeated from those threads. (You already know my personal criteria for answering emails, so I will skip that part.)

(As a repeat.) It really amazes me that folks don't research how to write an introductory email in hopes of improving their response rate. OKCupid has been data mining their members for ten years and even tell you what has a higher chance of getting a response. A lot of it is the same stuff that people say here on the forums. Listening to your target audience is always a good idea.

Not everybody who sends that introductory email is going to be what the receiver considers dating material. Still, response rates will go up for friendly conversation. Not sex. Not kink. Something you know that you have in common with the other person that you know they are interested in. It's not going to get you a 100% response rate but you'll do better than average.





AAkasha -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/26/2016 11:25:12 AM)


I've got another line of thinking on this.

OP is from India. A few open ended questions to the regulars here:

1) How many femdoms (relationship-seeking) do we see here on CM from India?
2) If the answer to #1 is "none" or "uh...less than five?" or anything close to that, OP has to consider a long distance relationship which will lead to real life. Tough call.
3) If OP is seeking experimentation, i.e. email training or whatever with a "potential" for real life, that's a whole other animal
4) If OP is seeking just casual play, I am not sure what the BDSM casual scene is in India, or pro domme scene. No idea.

So here are my thoughts. I would love to hear if people think this is insane.

If a sub is from a country like India and is open to a long distance relationship with potential for life-long romance, he has to be ready for a courtship over email/skype with an eye to eventual meeting.

He has to make his profile explain this in a way that is interesting, mature, believable. As a femdom in the US, if I were single and semi open minded about it, I would be more interested in a profile that explains that - otherwise, it's just "a random sub in India probably looking for hot emails who will go POOF after a couple of weeks."

So how do you do that? Tell me about India, tell me about how you would make this courtship over email happen, tell me about your hobbies, show me you have thought this through. "I realize my location is a barrier, here is how I would approach this." Or tell me something fascinating about where you live. "I have done my research here, I can tell you about the BDSM scene in India -- it's like this:"

What is the end game? "I know this is a pipe dream; It would be exciting to get to know a dominant woman and develop something over email and Skype with an aim to meeting - I can travel or host, and while there is no rush, please note that I am serious. I would be thrilled to introduce a lady to my home town, where you would see x, y and z (describe what it is like there - be interesting!). Or I would be happy to travel eventually to your home country - (maybe describe in 1 or 2 lines what you imagine the US, UK or another country to be like, "I have always wondered what it would be like to set foot on US soil and maybe take in....." (people from these countries may get a chuckle or find it endearing. At the very least it's interesting.

Here's the thing. If the OP is not seriously putting gears in motion to either host or travel, if his end game is a relationship (in person) with a femdom, he is screwed.

I hope this take on the situation may help others who live in far, far away countries that have limited BDSM scene.

The main theme here: If you are the OP or in a similar situation, have you thought it through? What's the best case scenario? How do you achieve that?

Akasha




LadyPact -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/26/2016 12:20:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
I've got another line of thinking on this.

For the sake of conversation, I'll offer an opinion.

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OP is from India. A few open ended questions to the regulars here:

This is going to be similar to what I had to say on another thread here: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4902658

quote:

1) How many femdoms (relationship-seeking) do we see here on CM from India?

I have absolutely no idea. I do mention on the other thread that I feel for the conundrum because this is by no stretch of the imagination the easiest solution to find.

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2) If the answer to #1 is "none" or "uh...less than five?" or anything close to that, OP has to consider a long distance relationship which will lead to real life. Tough call.

Which puts the OP in the exact same position of thousand of random guys on the internet.

I always wonder about how the numbers play out. How many female Dominants are really willing to sort out all of those emails they get and actually spend the time to weed these folks out on the chance it's going to lead to something? Especially for a long distance thing, when the main target audience (at least on this site) are in the United States or in the UK. Most of which can explore their kinks in person, if they should choose.

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3) If OP is seeking experimentation, i.e. email training or whatever with a "potential" for real life, that's a whole other animal

Wow. Experimentation on cam. [8|] How many women are willing to do that without some kind of equalizer? I'm not generally the person who suggests pay for play in many circumstances but this might fit the category. My other thought would be student visa. Get where the kink is and improve the odds.

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4) If OP is seeking just casual play, I am not sure what the BDSM casual scene is in India, or pro domme scene. No idea.

That's what I said on the other thread. Pros visiting Dubai must make a fortune. [:D]

quote:

So here are my thoughts. I would love to hear if people think this is insane.

If a sub is from a country like India and is open to a long distance relationship with potential for life-long romance, he has to be ready for a courtship over email/skype with an eye to eventual meeting.

He has to make his profile explain this in a way that is interesting, mature, believable. As a femdom in the US, if I were single and semi open minded about it, I would be more interested in a profile that explains that - otherwise, it's just "a random sub in India probably looking for hot emails who will go POOF after a couple of weeks."

That's the problem, right there.

quote:

So how do you do that? Tell me about India, tell me about how you would make this courtship over email happen, tell me about your hobbies, show me you have thought this through. "I realize my location is a barrier, here is how I would approach this." Or tell me something fascinating about where you live. "I have done my research here, I can tell you about the BDSM scene in India -- it's like this:"

You're onto a decent idea here. A cultural information exchange might be a fascinating thing to some people. (Depending on the other person's curiosity level.) THAT has value rather than the hundred other guys saying, "satisfy my kinks". In such a situation, a person has to stand out from the crowd.

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What is the end game? "I know this is a pipe dream; It would be exciting to get to know a dominant woman and develop something over email and Skype with an aim to meeting - I can travel or host, and while there is no rush, please note that I am serious. I would be thrilled to introduce a lady to my home town, where you would see x, y and z (describe what it is like there - be interesting!).

Yeah, but a person has to be willing to travel or host. I'm not seeing the OP being in these positions.

quote:

Or I would be happy to travel eventually to your home country - (maybe describe in 1 or 2 lines what you imagine the US, UK or another country to be like, "I have always wondered what it would be like to set foot on US soil and maybe take in....." (people from these countries may get a chuckle or find it endearing. At the very least it's interesting.

Better than the average. I'll give you that.

quote:

Here's the thing. If the OP is not seriously putting gears in motion to either host or travel, if his end game is a relationship (in person) with a femdom, he is screwed.

Agreed.

This is probably an entire different thread, but some time back, I came to the conclusion that one of my "love languages" is, am I willing to travel to YOU? (For D/s type things, of course.) If I'm not putting forth that effort, you (general you) might want to realize just how low you are on the totem poll. Very astute of you.

quote:

I hope this take on the situation may help others who live in far, far away countries that have limited BDSM scene.

The main theme here: If you are the OP or in a similar situation, have you thought it through? What's the best case scenario? How do you achieve that?

Akasha

You do remember that I used to live in middle of nowhere Alaska. [;)]

It's about effort. What are you willing to do that is different than anybody else? Does that mean travel? It might.

Most sub males on the internet have to stand out in some way. Usually, that means *doing* something.

Hopefully, this contributes to the discussion. [:)]





def411 -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/27/2016 8:11:17 AM)

Thanks AAkasha for all the years you kept the website open. It will be missed.

david




AtUrCervix -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/29/2016 4:13:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tanning

Okay, so from a few months I'm trying to find a Mistress and I've talked to few.
But what I am still haven't been able to understand is how to approach a 'true' Mistress ?
I added true because seriously I don't care about Findomme, ugh this word shouldn't even exist but back to the topic.
Can anyone help me in this ? How would a Mistress like to be approached as, to received message as ?
I'm really a novice as a submissive, I've no idea. Please someone help me out.


(I'm thinking....some level of sentence cohesion would be a starting place).




crumpets -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/30/2016 11:41:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix
(I'm thinking....some level of sentence cohesion would be a starting place).


Which is exactly why I recommended ...
quote:


Simply stated, fix the profile first, and THEN worry about "approaching" females.




Tanning -> RE: How to approach a Mistress (4/30/2016 11:28:34 PM)

Thank you everyone who commented on the thread.
@stef @DarkSteven @crumpets @LadyPact @DesFIP @WickedsDesire @AAkasha

If I missed anyone in the comment boxc sorry but thank you everyone for the comments.
I have been busy with college and work lately so haven't had the time to log in here.
Yes it is necessary to have communication with a partner on a level other than sexual.
For me it's always about communication and compatibility.
I don't approach anyone with a sexual message, because that is rude.
It's just I'm a little bit introvert so it's hard for me to write a big detailed message without knowing the other person.




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