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Greta75 -> What I learn Bernie (4/18/2016 3:53:17 AM)

In a short clip.

He said childhood poverty in America is the worst of any major country.

And women do not get paid maternity leave in America as mandated by law?

HUH?

Serious?

These are things I don't know.

Even my own crazy country has mandated paid maternity leave. And maternity is not gender bias. Men can choose take the paid maternity leave too, on behalf of his wife. Sometimes the parent who wanna work is the woman and it's the man who wanna tend to the baby, no problem!



Lucylastic -> RE: What I learn Bernie (4/18/2016 4:34:17 AM)

I know that here for my youngest, the old man had time off but it wasnt long two weeks I think but now its changed and now, new parents can split up to 35 weeks of leave between them, on top of the up to 15 weeks can take on their own.

the same in the UK as far as I remember. altho the rates depend on eligibility. Its more convoluted than it was when I was pregnant with my daughter.





KenDckey -> RE: What I learn Bernie (4/18/2016 4:52:12 AM)

Lots of places combine Maternity Leave with FMLA. Others hold them seperate (if I remember correctly CA and possibly other states hold them seperately, but I won't swear to it).



Greta75 -> RE: What I learn Bernie (4/18/2016 5:21:30 AM)

But I think what Bernie is saying is, it's not compulsory by law so companies do not have to offer any paid maternity leave at all if they choose not to do it. Actually, I am personally, not really pro or against paid maternity leave, but I just thought, I am surprise US until now, does not have it as a law.

In my country, it's compulsory by law, 4 months paid maternity leave, male or female can take it.




MrRodgers -> RE: What I learn Bernie (4/18/2016 12:58:13 PM)

I don't know people, this is getting pretty scary now. I mean cut off illegal immigrants, (and H1B imported workers) equal play, $15/hr. min. wage and now paid maternity leave ?? I mean holy socialism sodomites, I thought we all agreed that we are here to make some fucking money.

I mean come on kinkroids, business is down to their last few trillion$ in off-shore, untaxed profits and now they have to actually borrow against that to pay their poor, needy stock holders some dividends. Their multi-million $ bonuses are down, even when they fuck up and now this ? Surely this is the beginning of the end of western (American) society. (capitalism)

I mean yes, we are still white, male, Christian, otherwise faith-abiding, good strong family men at election time but mandated, paid family leave for newborns ? This is just going too far.



Greta75 -> RE: What I learn Bernie (4/18/2016 1:35:59 PM)

Well, my country is facing a birth replacement rate of 0.8 or something. It's terribly low. They need it to be at 2.0.

So if they don't have some birthing friendly laws in place, they aren't gonna be able to increase that birth rate, because most women reason for not having kids is because it would affect their career or jeopardize their jobs. So they seriously need to have more family friendly things going on. It's the double edge sword for teaching women to value education, and be independently wealthy, so to be that, they gotta chase career.
Oh ya, and our government rewards you with cash for having children too. I think my mom got 36k from having her third child.
In a chinese country where in the past, they don't value the need for woman to have an education. There were huge campaigns on educating parents why their daughters need education and why women can do anything a man can do. The result of that, is, they want to be like men, who can just devote their life to their jobs and prove they can do as good or better than men in every job. This means sacrificing having family, as having a kid will get in the way. As men don't have the problems of giving birth and having birth taking them away from their jobs. So to compete with men, they gotta give up giving birth FOREVER.

So our new government challenge is how to make it easier for women to have both. Family and career, without jeopardising their career to rise in ranks, as the government desperately need the women to be having babies. I don't know what the solution is. Between two spouses and kids, someone has to scale back on something. If the woman refuse to, then the man has to. But most men won't.



ThatDizzyChick -> RE: What I learn Bernie (4/18/2016 1:53:43 PM)

There are a whole lot of things that most of the industrialized world takes for granted that are entirely optional in the US



Wayward5oul -> RE: What I learn Bernie (4/18/2016 5:38:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

But I think what Bernie is saying is, it's not compulsory by law so companies do not have to offer any paid maternity leave at all if they choose not to do it. Actually, I am personally, not really pro or against paid maternity leave, but I just thought, I am surprise US until now, does not have it as a law.

In my country, it's compulsory by law, 4 months paid maternity leave, male or female can take it.



Leave is mandated by law, meaning that you get guaranteed time off without it being detrimental to your job.

Paid leave is not mandated. People take what they can afford.

In my job, we are allocated a certain number of paid sick days and paid personal leave days each year, based on your years of employment. What you don't use in that year can be rolled over to the next.

When I got pregnant, I had built up so much paid personal leave that I was able to take 3 months off, with pay, and when I went back to work I still had a month's worth of days to use for sick baby, dr appts, etc.

I was lucky. A lot of women don't have something like that to fall back on.



Greta75 -> RE: What I learn Bernie (4/18/2016 10:07:54 PM)

Yea, wow! I don't know those women have babies then. They gotta take their own unpaid leave if they wanna give birth. Ouch!



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