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Wayward5oul -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/24/2016 6:20:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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They are part of the bend over backward crowd. Everyone has racist tendencies in the mind, there is no doubt. We are like pack animals. We like to be in groups of people like ourselves.

Modern people of normal intelligence suppress this and treat everyone equally.


I agree that people of 'normal' intelligence should suppress this and treat everyone equally. I disagree that that actually happens. i see way too many exceptions to that idea to call it a fair generalization.

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It does not however, extend to whom you bed. For example I would not fuck a Black Woman, or an Oriental. I can't really help it that they do not turn me on.

If I have to fuck other races to be politically correct they can go fuck themselves. Beam me up Scotty. Seriously.

Agreed. For whatever reason someone else wants to attribute to it, I am not attracted to black men, or Asian men, in general. There have been exceptions. Nor do I care for blondes. Never dated one. They just don't do it for me. Nor pretty boys. Go figure.

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I remember a story in the news (well not Fuck Snooze obviously) of a little girl who cried because she was ashamed of wanting a white barbie doll because she was White. This is how much White guilt they want to throw on people.


I have read stories along those lines. Makes me angry and sad both.


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Same way with race here, and it is disgusting. I will treat people equally, but I will not do any more than that. Nobody alive right now had any slaves. (well Black slaves legally held against their will) My people weren't even here until slavery was abolished. I do not owe anybody a fucking thing.

What's more, you talk about what they built for us ? They did not. They worked on plantations making a few rich people more money picking cotton or corn or some shit. They did not build our roads and bridges. What's more, they are a hell of alot better off here now than if they been left alone in Africa. They fucking owe us !


Hypocrisy much?



Termyn8or -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/24/2016 2:07:31 PM)

I see you bolded :

"What's more, they are a hell of alot better off here now than if they been left alone in Africa. "

That is not hipocrasy. It is true. Other people became indentured servants to pay the freight to get here.

I'm not saying it was right, not at all. But facts are facts.

God damn, they live in a place with no tools or guns for hunting, they have to chase down edible animals with a spear to eat, some eat insects, and what's more, some of the bigger animals chase them and want to eat them.

Now then are doctors and lawyers and engineers n whatever. Tell me how worse off that is.

Equality, sure. Equal treatment, equal opportunity, but that doesn't mean we are all equal. Is a White crackhead bum equal to a Black neurosurgeon ? Fuck no. You are as high on the ladder as you can get, the idea of equality is that everyone gets the same size steps.

Actually I think we have played out the social issues about this. As far as I a concerned these people are fucking idiots. There are enough orphans out there with real needs. This is the Christian thing to do ? No. The Christian thing to do would be to adopt, especially a special needs kid. Like someone said about the money they spend doing the in vitro thing. It could have went to a much better purpose. To someone who is already alive and has bad problems.

This was a fucking publicity stunt.

T^T



Wayward5oul -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/24/2016 3:29:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I see you bolded :

"What's more, they are a hell of alot better off here now than if they been left alone in Africa. "

That is not hipocrasy. It is true. Other people became indentured servants to pay the freight to get here.

I'm not saying it was right, not at all. But facts are facts.

God damn, they live in a place with no tools or guns for hunting, they have to chase down edible animals with a spear to eat, some eat insects, and what's more, some of the bigger animals chase them and want to eat them.

Now then are doctors and lawyers and engineers n whatever. Tell me how worse off that is.

Equality, sure. Equal treatment, equal opportunity, but that doesn't mean we are all equal. Is a White crackhead bum equal to a Black neurosurgeon ? Fuck no. You are as high on the ladder as you can get, the idea of equality is that everyone gets the same size steps.

Actually I think we have played out the social issues about this. As far as I a concerned these people are fucking idiots. There are enough orphans out there with real needs. This is the Christian thing to do ? No. The Christian thing to do would be to adopt, especially a special needs kid. Like someone said about the money they spend doing the in vitro thing. It could have went to a much better purpose. To someone who is already alive and has bad problems.

This was a fucking publicity stunt.

T^T


My statement had nothing to do with anyone's opinion about whether or not slaves' descendants should be grateful or not, though I will say for the record that that is as asinine as it is repugnant.

What I bolded were the parts where you said that 'your people' weren't even over here when slavery was legal, so you didn't owe anyone anything. But then you went on to say that 'they' owed YOU for getting to come over here in the first place. That's as hypocritical and entitled as it can get.



Termyn8or -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/24/2016 8:28:40 PM)

We help them now in this semi-socialistic society. Maybe they don't owe me personally, of course they don't. But after going to public schools, getting scholarships and getting hundred grand a year jobs, we certainly do not owe them shit.

If they owe, they owe the taxpayer, but not me. I said they owe, I did NOT say they owe ME.

Know what might be an interesting mix on this ? What about octomom. Just keep on having kids you cannot support.

I know you aren't going to like this, but I think if you have kids you cannot support you should watch them starve to death.

T^T



Wayward5oul -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/24/2016 10:09:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

We help them now in this semi-socialistic society. Maybe they don't owe me personally, of course they don't. But after going to public schools, getting scholarships and getting hundred grand a year jobs, we certainly do not owe them shit.

If they owe, they owe the taxpayer, but not me. I said they owe, I did NOT say they owe ME.

No, you did not. You said "us", they fucking owe "US,". There is no "us" without including yourself, so yeah, you did say ME.



vincentML -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/25/2016 11:16:36 AM)

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Know what might be an interesting mix on this ? What about octomom. Just keep on having kids you cannot support

Octomom was not black as I recall.

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What's more, you talk about what they built for us ? They did not. They worked on plantations making a few rich people more money picking cotton or corn or some shit. They did not build our roads and bridges. What's more, they are a hell of alot better off here now than if they been left alone in Africa. They fucking owe us !

Even with all that, slavery was a nasty thing. But I know who did it and it was none of my kin.

Making a few rich people more money? That's not exactly true. Northern mills, banks, slave runners and exporters also got rich off the slave trade and the cotton industry.

Slavery was a nasty thing? True, but it was not only slavery. After the withdrawal of federal troops in the late 1870s there were Jim Crow Laws in the South and repression of blacks by armed citizens committees and the KKK. Blacks were commonly lynched as late as the 1930s. Eleanor Roosevelt made it a political issue. And, there was (is) institutional racial exclusion in jobs, education, voting, and housing in the North. In that sense this nation was built on the backs of black people even if "they did not build our roads."



Quiette -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/25/2016 11:52:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

God damn, they live in a place with no tools or guns for hunting, they have to chase down edible animals with a spear to eat, some eat insects, and what's more, some of the bigger animals chase them and want to eat them.

Now then are doctors and lawyers and engineers n whatever. Tell me how worse off that is.




There are nice places in Africa, you know. It's a continent, not a country. I don't understand why people group all of Africa together as if its countries don't rule separately, fail separately, and succeed separately. That's like saying "Chicago is a shit hole, therefore America is a shit hole."

Think twice before telling others how better off they are by living in one place vs another. Just because America is a first world country doesn't mean absolutely everyone who's in a poorer country is itching to move here. They are not. Actually, those who want to move out of certain shitty/dangerous areas in Africa tend to jump the boarder from one African country to another. I love America but it isn't the holy land you seem to think it is to all people who don't live here. Not all Africans dream of living in America.

(Parents took me to Tanzania to visit Dar es Salaam. Cool place.)



Lucylastic -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/25/2016 3:04:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Quiette


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

God damn, they live in a place with no tools or guns for hunting, they have to chase down edible animals with a spear to eat, some eat insects, and what's more, some of the bigger animals chase them and want to eat them.

Now then are doctors and lawyers and engineers n whatever. Tell me how worse off that is.




There are nice places in Africa, you know. It's a continent, not a country. I don't understand why people group all of Africa together as if its countries don't rule separately, fail separately, and succeed separately. That's like saying "Chicago is a shit hole, therefore America is a shit hole."

Think twice before telling others how better off they are by living in one place vs another. Just because America is a first world country doesn't mean absolutely everyone who's in a poorer country is itching to move here. They are not. Actually, those who want to move out of certain shitty/dangerous areas in Africa tend to jump the boarder from one African country to another. I love America but it isn't the holy land you seem to think it is to all people who don't live here. Not all Africans dream of living in America.

(Parents took me to Tanzania to visit Dar es Salaam. Cool place.)

unfortunately that doesnt mean a lot to some Quiette, its the whole effect they go for, not facts.



Termyn8or -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/25/2016 3:40:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

We help them now in this semi-socialistic society. Maybe they don't owe me personally, of course they don't. But after going to public schools, getting scholarships and getting hundred grand a year jobs, we certainly do not owe them shit.

If they owe, they owe the taxpayer, but not me. I said they owe, I did NOT say they owe ME.

No, you did not. You said "us", they fucking owe "US,". There is no "us" without including yourself, so yeah, you did say ME.


I guess I stand corrected on that, should have worded it differently. Not sure quite how, though we do understand each other.

And I am not sure how we got there anyway. This is about a publicity stunt pulled by a couple - to prove WHAT ? And I read somewhere they wanted twins but one of the embyos split and they got triplets. So that means they got maternal twins and one paternal twin ? (to the other two)

I don't know how others think about this, but I think families - if you got the choice - work better with different age kids. The older ones teach the younger ones, and later can watch them so you can go out :-)

Actually, these people aren't hurting anyone. but this stunt is so illogical, well it caught enough attention to made the news and get posted here.

Bottom line though, I totally agree they would have done more good in the world by adopting. They could adopt Black kids if that's what they want. And that, is maybe something wrong. What, they think this is like choosing a puppy ?

T^T

Edited because I can't type worth shit and am half blind



Phydeaux -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/25/2016 10:17:18 PM)


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Know what might be an interesting mix on this ? What about octomom. Just keep on having kids you cannot support

Octomom was not black as I recall.

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What's more, you talk about what they built for us ? They did not. They worked on plantations making a few rich people more money picking cotton or corn or some shit. They did not build our roads and bridges. What's more, they are a hell of alot better off here now than if they been left alone in Africa. They fucking owe us !

Even with all that, slavery was a nasty thing. But I know who did it and it was none of my kin.

Making a few rich people more money? That's not exactly true. Northern mills, banks, slave runners and exporters also got rich off the slave trade and the cotton industry.

Slavery was a nasty thing? True, but it was not only slavery. After the withdrawal of federal troops in the late 1870s there were Jim Crow Laws in the South and repression of blacks by armed citizens committees and the KKK. Blacks were commonly lynched as late as the 1930s. Eleanor Roosevelt made it a political issue. And, there was (is) institutional racial exclusion in jobs, education, voting, and housing in the North. In that sense this nation was built on the backs of black people even if "they did not build our roads."


There is no sense or scenario where this is true. Blacks comprise call it 13 % of our population. For the first 150 years of our existence they were less than what, 2 %?

Just like money compounds itself - there was a huge investment that rolled over again and again and again before blacks started making even token contributions to our economy.

Secondly, economists have looked in great detail at the costs and profits of slavery. There are several papers that are pretty persuasive that slave owners broke even on the value of labor. The profit in slavery - never more than about 10% - lay in appreciation and/or (and this is horrible) selling of offspring.

This is one of the reasons that the black birth rate (and indeed population growth) was, net of deaths, 3 times higher than white population growth. And in fact higher than any country in Europe over a similar time frame.

But even if you ignore high falutin' economic papers - the argument fails on its face. The concentration of black slaves in the south was 100x what it was in the north. If all these bridges and roads were built - it would have been the south that had the more well developed infrastructure - more roads, more railroads, more factories.

When, in fact at the time of the civil war, the north had 5 times the factories, 2.3 x railroad lines, The north had 8 times the number of cities with populations of 100K or more - in fact on New Orleans in the south meets that definition.

Which pretty much blows the idea that the US was built on the backs of slaves right out of the water. Slavery was a pernicious institution. The primary value that slaveowners received was when slaves were sold. When the US government freed the slaves - it wiped out the the entire aggregated compounded value of slavery.

Minor comment: Southern slave owners were obeying the law at the time. If there is a case for reparations the slave OWNERS have a pretty good case.



Termyn8or -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/26/2016 3:25:00 AM)

Interesting analysis.

"Secondly, economists have looked in great detail at the costs and profits of slavery. There are several papers that are pretty persuasive that slave owners broke even on the value of labor. The profit in slavery - never more than about 10% - lay in appreciation and/or (and this is horrible) selling of offspring. Secondly, economists have looked in great detail at the costs and profits of slavery. There are several papers that are pretty persuasive that slave owners broke even on the value of labor. The profit in slavery - never more than about 10% - lay in appreciation and/or (and this is horrible) selling of offspring. "

I have surmised that a long time ago. You build them a house you are paying them. If you make them build their own house you are paying them. You feed them you are paying them. You call a doctor when they get sick or hurt you are paying them. Damn, if they would give out beer and weed it would be really popular ! LOL

On the other hand, hire a Man and you pay him for his work, he has to deal with his family's health, his house, all that shit. None of it is your problem. Slaves, they need clothes, they need all kinds of things. And if you want to sell offspring you will make sure they get good doctorin'. Won'tcha. I would.

I want to say that the founders should never have allowed slavery, as civilized people, or so we are told. (I do not call them the founding Fathers, the word is fucking wrong for that, sounds like the fucking Nazi regime "Fatherland" fuck all that)

However that would have made for a problem because slavery predates the creation of the US. If the founders would have outlawed slavery, there would be no US. In fact some of them owned slaves. So that wasn't happening anyway.

You know, quite a few slaves did get their emancipation. Some slave owners let them go when they, well I don't know, pleased them. They rode around with a piece of paper proving they were free, signed by their ex-owner.

I think this was uncommon though, I said quite a few, there were more than quite a few slaves.

T^T



vincentML -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/27/2016 8:39:13 AM)


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Minor comment: Southern slave owners were obeying the law at the time. If there is a case for reparations the slave OWNERS have a pretty good case.

You left this out:

"Slavery was profitable, although a large part of the profit was in the increased value of the slaves themselves. With only 30% of the nation's (free) population, the South had 60% of the "wealthiest men." The 1860 per capita wealth in the South was $3,978; in the North it was $2,040. "

It should be obvious that there would be no slave value appreciation if there were no slaves in the cotton fields and no adult slaves to give birth to chattel for sale. The notion that slave owners should receive reparation is ridiculous and can't be taken seriously.

The notion that "the save owners were just obeying the law" is a derivative of the often expressed excuse that we should judge them in the context of their times. The abuse of human dignity should not be excused by culture or time. Otherwise, you would have to accept the indignities of arranged marriage and family honor killings that mark Islamic culture. Additionally, the slave trade was outlawed early in the Century. Slaves were transported under inhumane conditions by renegade traders. England had outlawed slavery by the 1830s, so there was precedent before the Civil War.

You replied to my statement out of context. I did not say the nation was built on the backs of slaves. Here is what I said:

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And, there was (is) institutional racial exclusion in jobs, education, voting, and housing in the North. In that sense this nation was built on the backs of black people even if "they did not build our roads."


It should be clear that I was referring to segregation in both the South and North after the failure of Reconstruction. Termy twisted my comment and you compounded his error.

I will however make the statement that generally Capital always require cheap labor, whether it is slavery in the South, wage labor of immigrants in the North or by Chinamen on the Union-Pacific Railway or Bangladeshi in the fashion industry or Asian labor for Nike and Apple (who is sitting upon an obscene cash stash of $147 B.)



vincentML -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/27/2016 8:59:06 AM)

Termy!

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I have surmised that a long time ago. You build them a house you are paying them. If you make them build their own house you are paying them. You feed them you are paying them. You call a doctor when they get sick or hurt you are paying them. Damn, if they would give out beer and weed it would be really popular ! LOL

Just to be clear, you are equating slave hovels to houses? Would you equate the stinking, diseased cargo hold of a slave transport to a berth on the HMS Queen Mary ?

And you believe a man or a women would give up their liberties for a hand-out?

Lest we forget (or ignore) those Africans were brought here in chains.

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On the other hand, hire a Man and you pay him for his work, he has to deal with his family's health, his house, all that shit. None of it is your problem. Slaves, they need clothes, they need all kinds of things. And if you want to sell offspring you will make sure they get good doctorin'. Won'tcha. I would.
Is it your argument that Capital is advantaged by wage slaves rather than involuntary slaves? Undoubtedly true.



Phydeaux -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/27/2016 9:01:55 AM)


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Minor comment: Southern slave owners were obeying the law at the time. If there is a case for reparations the slave OWNERS have a pretty good case.

You left this out:

"Slavery was profitable, although a large part of the profit was in the increased value of the slaves themselves. With only 30% of the nation's (free) population, the South had 60% of the "wealthiest men." The 1860 per capita wealth in the South was $3,978; in the North it was $2,040. "


Extremely disingenuous. Immigration was to the north. The north had tenement housing, cities crammed with people yearning to be free. This drove down per capita wages.

In the beginning, the largest and most prosperous state - was Virginnia. But the economic balance of power shifted to the north in the 1810's - and never stopped. Political power followed economic power with the civil war.

As for owners having a case for reparations. I find the idea of any kind of reparations - ridiculous. But if you want to talk reparations for black people - slave owners have a far better case. The government took their property without compensation, period.

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The abuse of human dignity should not be excused by culture or time. Otherwise, you would have to accept the indignities of arranged marriage and family honor killings that mark Islamic culture.



I don't agree with human dignity, therefore I find your logic ridiculous. Do starfish have dignity? Bacteria? I agree with the outcome, just not the reasoning that leads to it.

I'm ok with arranged marriage - it happens all the time in the us. I oppose honor killings as they violate the law.
But more generally, islamic 'culture' is incompatible with western culture.

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And, there was (is) institutional racial exclusion in jobs, education, voting, and housing in the North. In that sense this nation was built on the backs of black people even if "they did not build our roads."


It should be clear that I was referring to segregation in both the South and North after the failure of Reconstruction. Termy twisted my comment and you compounded his error.


I got that the first time. Again, read what I said. The contributions of non-black people were far greater, for far longer. In no sense can you make any kind of
claim that this nation was built on the backs of black people.

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Apple (who is sitting upon an obscene cash stash of $147 B.)


Spoken like a true liberal. I don't have what you have. Its not fair. Its obscene. You should give me that.

Or quoting zonie - we should crush them and take their stuff.



vincentML -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/27/2016 10:13:08 AM)

Phydeaux:

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Extremely disingenuous. Immigration was to the north. The north had tenement housing, cities crammed with people yearning to be free. This drove down per capita wages.

In the beginning, the largest and most prosperous state - was Virginnia. But the economic balance of power shifted to the north in the 1810's - and never stopped. Political power followed economic power with the civil war.

There was a great deal of immigration into the South from England, Scotland, and Ireland. Southern folklore, music, and culture is often derivative of culture from those islands, especially in the hills.

Prior to Secession the Slave Nation held power in Congress.

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As for owners having a case for reparations. I find the idea of any kind of reparations - ridiculous. But if you want to talk reparations for black people - slave owners have a far better case. The government took their property without compensation, period.

I don't recall arguing for reparations. The government took their property? What property? The slaves? True. Never mind the Slave Power was in armed rebellion against the Nation.

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I don't agree with human dignity, therefore I find your logic ridiculous. Do starfish have dignity? Bacteria? I agree with the outcome, just not the reasoning that leads to it.

Interesting that you don't agree with the concept of human dignity when Western culture, Christianity, Atheism, the Declaration of Independence, etc are all based on human dignity. Christians believe in eternal souls created by God, Jesus preached the value "of the least" of us, the current pro life movement is based on the dignity of human life. Atheism is centered upon humanism. But not you.

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I'm ok with arranged marriage - it happens all the time in the us. I oppose honor killings as they violate the law.
But more generally, islamic 'culture' is incompatible with western culture.


Right, we see notices of arranged marriages every day in our Press. Puhleez! So, you are okay with selling your 13 year old daughter into marriage with a 40 year old man? meh!

If honor killings did not violate the law you would be okay with them then?

Please tell me what the core of your philosophy is based upon. Your business school education?

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Spoken like a true liberal. I don't have what you have. Its not fair. Its obscene. You should give me that.
Not what I said. The obscenity of that cash stash is that it lies idle and is non-productive.



Phydeaux -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/27/2016 11:23:15 AM)


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Phydeaux:

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Extremely disingenuous. Immigration was to the north. The north had tenement housing, cities crammed with people yearning to be free. This drove down per capita wages.

In the beginning, the largest and most prosperous state - was Virginnia. But the economic balance of power shifted to the north in the 1810's - and never stopped. Political power followed economic power with the civil war.

There was a great deal of immigration into the South from England, Scotland, and Ireland. Southern folklore, music, and culture is often derivative of culture from those islands, especially in the hills.



Which while true, is immaterial. It doesn't matter if a million people immigrated to the south - if tens of millions immigrated to the north. Also,as your per capita wages were unsourced, I'm imagining its not counting slaves in the per capita.

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I don't agree with human dignity, therefore I find your logic ridiculous. Do starfish have dignity? Bacteria? I agree with the outcome, just not the reasoning that leads to it.

Interesting that you don't agree with the concept of human dignity when Western culture, Christianity, Atheism, the Declaration of Independence, etc are all based on human dignity.


Point accepted. I was trying to argue that humans have niether more nor less intrinsic dignity than any other thing; that while it is an ideal of our culture, you cannot say our culture is founded on it - else we would never have war. Or rape. Or interest bearing loans. Fundamentally, you have to view people as a product of their time.

Christianity in the middle ages forbade interest bearing loans. Jews allowed them. Now our culture allows them. Do you really mean to say perceptions of human dignity don't change?

Isn't that what the whole lgbqxyz movement is about?

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Right, we see notices of arranged marriages every day in our Press. Puhleez! So, you are okay with selling your 13 year old daughter into marriage with a 40 year old man? meh!


Trying to shift the argument by making about under age, eh? Regardless of whether you know any arranged marrages I know several.

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If honor killings did not violate the law you would be okay with them then?


Personally, morally - hell no. But if it weren't against the law I'd have no recourse.

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Please tell me what the core of your philosophy is based upon. Your business school education?


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Spoken like a true liberal. I don't have what you have. Its not fair. Its obscene. You should give me that.
Not what I said. The obscenity of that cash stash is that it lies idle and is non-productive.


Same argument. Different words. I don't like what you're doing with your property. Its not fair for it to sit idle.
Or as zonie would say. Lets kill them and take their stuff - and we can put it to good use.

You know what - if I want to put a million dollars under my mattress - hell if I wanted to burn it - why do you think you (or anyone) should have a say in it?



Termyn8or -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/27/2016 8:01:07 PM)

If you want that million bucks gone I can take it off your hands.

For free.

Then you can still make your bed and sleep in it.

T^T



Termyn8or -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/27/2016 8:14:12 PM)

"Right, we see notices of arranged marriages every day in our Press. Puhleez! So, you are okay with selling your 13 year old daughter into marriage with a 40 year old man? meh! "

Ask Jews and Muslims about that. I don't recall Christianity condoning it.

Does that make me an anti-Semite for saying that ? Because I covered both sides of the family with that one.

Fucking religion. Should be considered child abuse to take them to a church, synagogue or mosque, or anything of the sort. They should be learning useful things. Isn't their time valuable ?

God damn motherfuckers should ALL have been put to the rack, burned at the the stake and beheaded. They fucked this world up, bigtime. And political power too. Ptolemy comes to mind, Kopernicus was put down, but was right. Someone else was castigated by the Catholic church, Galileo ? And the Catholic church changed the sabbat from Saturday to Sunday. If they had ANY belief in god at all they would never dare to change "His" word. But they did it to get more followers from what they considered pagan religions.

For more donations.

All of them. Shintoism, die for the emperor. Buddism, what even is that ? And as far as I can tell, the Branch Davidians or country music lovers had more credo than the Hare Krishnas.

I want to start a new religion. the premise of the whole thing is to do what is best for you, your family and community. And hurt noone. Damn, that almost sounds like Alastair Crowley. If it hurts none, do as thou wilt. Think about how the world would be.

With no religion.

T^T



vincentML -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/28/2016 6:56:50 AM)

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Which while true, is immaterial. It doesn't matter if a million people immigrated to the south - if tens of millions immigrated to the north. Also,as your per capita wages were unsourced, I'm imagining its not counting slaves in the per capita.

Your comments were also not sourced. I read them in the same report that I used. So, I have to source comments but you do not? Bah. And by the way it was per capita wealth not wages. Try to focus.

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Same argument. Different words. I don't like what you're doing with your property. Its not fair for it to sit idle.
Or as zonie would say. Lets kill them and take their stuff - and we can put it to good use.

You know what - if I want to put a million dollars under my mattress - hell if I wanted to burn it - why do you think you (or anyone) should have a say in it?

The information was publically recorded in Apple's quarterly report. So, what? I am prohibited from expressing a opinion? Have we gone that far down the road to Corporate Fascism? Apparently we have.

Additionally, that is the same argument put forward by the Slave Power through the 1850s.

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Point accepted. I was trying to argue that humans have niether more nor less intrinsic dignity than any other thing; that while it is an ideal of our culture, you cannot say our culture is founded on it - else we would never have war. Or rape. Or interest bearing loans. Fundamentally, you have to view people as a product of their time.

War, murder, rape, slavery, etc. are affronts to human dignity that transcend time, place and culture. Murder and slavery in ancient Rome were no less evil than they are today worldwide. There are intrinsic values that accrue to sentient beings.

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Trying to shift the argument by making about under age, eh? Regardless of whether you know any arranged marrages I know several.

From what I have read such arranged marriages between children and older men are somewhat common in the Islamic world and among our own fundamentalist LDS cults.

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Personally, morally - hell no. But if it weren't against the law I'd have no recourse.

Immoral laws can be confronted by court actions and protest actions. That's what the freedom rides were about. Yes, there is recourse.





Termyn8or -> RE: White ProLife Woman Births Black Babies (4/28/2016 1:35:13 PM)

FR in no particular order...

"In that sense this nation was built on the backs of black people even if "they did not build our roads." "

You either built it or you didn't. If I build a bridge and beat your ass to pick the cotton for my clothes, you did not build that bridge. Stay real. Not only does correlation not equal causation, it also does not equal anything else. Like they say behind a good Man is a Good Woman, while that may be true, and she supported him and maybe even helped him, if he invented something, he invented it, not her.

What about the White indentured servants. They agreed to be slaves technically for a certain period of time to pay for their passage here. Do we owe them ? and this is still going on. Go 9ito a Chinese restaurant, in many of them, the people who work there are under contract to work cheap to pay back their passage here. Some of them work 14 hours a day for like $5 an hour, but some get housing subsidised by their "sponsors". Some people make them work under the table and without a green card so they cannot do anything legally. They also take their passport so even if they could steal the money for a plane ticket home they cannot leave.

so they pay them but they charge them for rent and food and everything. Ever hear the song :

Load sixteen tons and what do you get,
Another day older and deeper in debt,
Saint Peter don't call me cause I can't go,
I owe my soul to the company store

This is how it was in coal mining towns. The company set up the town with the bar and store and whatever else. Once you got there there was no way out. They paid you but somehow you always were in debt. Overpriced goods at the store and insufficient wages. Now just how far away is that from slavery ? Seriously.

And banning slavery did nothing to stop this shit either. And think of it, if you got a full time minimum wage job you have no tie to go to school or even look for a better job. You live pay to pay and have no savings. Just how the fuck is that better, whne if you fall and get injured you get a $3,000 hospital bill you can't pay and they freeze your bank account so you can't even get paid from work.

What the fuck is better about that ? Tell me. Freedom ? With zero money in your pocket in this country you don't have freedom except to walk around in the snowstorm. My Grandfather walked across this country, living off of odd jobs n shit, and walked back. There was a hard tie he said, down in Texas when he couldn't find any work and they threw him in jail or vagrancy. After a short time one of them handed him like a five dollar bill and said "Go get me a pack of cigarettes". Note, not specifying the brand. It was pretty clear that meant fukit, we ain't putting you up in the jail forever, so just go, get out of town. Can't do that today.

Life is getting closer and closer to slavery. In the old days you could save up your money and pay cash for a house, or the property on which to build it, and build it. Property taxes were low as hell. You could live forever on a thousand bucks. Now, once you sign that mortgage paper you are obligated to pay and therefore obligated to work.

What does obligated to work mean ? It means either indentured servitude or slavery. If you do not work you are punished.

And now, even the rich live in debt. Really, Trump filed bankruptcy how many times ? But that is how it is. You can make a million a year but if you have four kids in college and a Wife who likes to sped money that is all gone. Buy them all cars, put them all on your credit card account and pay all the tuition and books and whatnot, that money is gone. That is because they are soaking you like a sponge, everything is overpriced.

I have some disdain for OWS because some of them were protesting not being able to afford the better Beamer because of student loans they took out to learn fucking basket weaving or some shit. (liberal arts for example) But the fact is that tuition should not have been that high. And did you notice that most of them were White ?

"Immoral laws can be confronted by court actions and protest actions. That's what the freedom rides were about. Yes, there is recourse. "

Try it sometime. You'll find it to be the biggest pain in the ass ever. the contractor told me when I had a house fire to get ready for the biggest pain in the ass you ever had. But dealing with the court system is ten times worse. I'd rather have a house fire once a week than to deal with the fucking governmant once every ten years.

But see, people like this couple of fucking idiots with the implantation to have Black babies are the liberals we depend on to fight the neo-conmen who would take everything away. I can't stand either side of this. Why the fuck isn't there just a moderate party that has fucking common sense ?

Common sense is gone I guess.

Tell you something else. Maybe this couple is highly racist.

They may have set out to prove to the N____s that they have no excuse for raising fucking criminals because we just raised a doctor, engineer and a lawyer. It is YOU Black Parents who are at fault for your children's failure. YOU are inferior and that is why you raise inferior kids.

It is possible that is their motivation. Ever think of that ?

Fucks with your head doesn't it ?

(not you personally)

T^T



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