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MasterRenegade77 -> A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 11:39:41 AM)
GOOD MORNING, Press "1" for English. Press "2" to disconnect until you have learned to speak English

MistressMaamNH -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 12:10:29 PM)
GOOD MORNING, Press "1" for English. Press "2" to disconnect until you have learned to speak English [/quote] Perhaps I'm missing something vital here....but the point of this post? If it is to post a commentary regarding individuals in the US who live here, yet do not communicate in English very well..I wonder just how many people have relatives/ancestors who found it difficult to speak this rather complicated language fluently. Emigrating to a country does not mean you learn the language and customs and way of life the moment you cross the border. It is a process. I don't think intimating disrespect regarding those that do not speak English fluently is helpful at all. That's just My two cents worth. MMNH

MasterRenegade77 -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 12:37:07 PM)
I don't know why this post was moved I don't consider it to be random or stupid & it Pisses Me off...... I was serious when I posted it... For the life of Me I don't see why Americans have to molly-coddle & acommodate immigrants, I'm sure My ancestors didn't get it... I think maybe we have this immigration thing all backwards instead of letting them in so then they can learn the language & the culture maybe it should be that they first have to become proficient in our language & culture... Then only having taken a test to prove said proficiency should they be allowed in for thier probationary period before being given citizenship

caitlyn -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 1:41:34 PM)
The original post reminds me of the four times a year ritual of going to church and having the Priest deliver a sermon about people that don't attend church, to people sitting in church. If you are posting this here, you are posting it to people that can all read it in English. So, exactly what is the point? Oh, and just so you know ... during the American Civil War, federal forces included entire divisions of immigrants that didn't speak English. The United States even recruited officers from foreign countries to lead them.

MistressMaamNH -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 1:46:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterRenegade77 I don't know why this post was moved I don't consider it to be random or stupid & it Pisses Me off...... I was serious when I posted it... Most likely because a type of "Poll" is where they say "press 1 if you are from <insert your city> or press 2 if you want to chat. It's a classic teenybopper's way to troll. A quick glance at your post, your "telephone recording" may have been mistaken for one of those. quote: For the life of Me I don't see why Americans have to molly-coddle & acommodate immigrants, I'm sure My ancestors didn't get it... Odd, I have never equated patience and understanding, with molly-coddling. <shrug> quote: I think maybe we have this immigration thing all backwards instead of letting them in so then they can learn the language & the culture maybe it should be that they first have to become proficient in our language & culture... Then only having taken a test to prove said proficiency should they be allowed in for thier probationary period before being given citizenship That sure would take a lot more Government spending to implement...wouldn't it be easier to just keep everyone out, period? Having said that with tongue firmly implanted in cheek....I've just never understood the intensity people have when it comes to labeling people "not one of US" People are people everywhere, imaginary boundries that some men made up to make the globe into pretty divided sections seems just sorta silly. MMNH

Noah -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 2:04:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterRenegade77 If you're not Living Life on the Edge, you're taking up Far Too Much Room!!! I don't know, man. I think caring enough about your self and your family to pack your bags and move to a country where you don't speak the language is way edgier than sitting around in your blue velour jogging suit spewing impotent little posts about how oppressed you feel because your call to the DMV took five seconds longer and required you to push one extra button. It certainly takes bigger balls, but then the tiny balled whiners are taking up less space, right? So at the end of the day there's room for everybody even in your eensy weensy little world. Times change. Those well suited to life adapt.

juliaoceania -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 2:05:52 PM)
It is called the "English", not the"American" language.. I find it odd that you are so ethnocentric that you need to belittle people based upon the language they speak. The funny thing is that most immigrants are bilingual or become so after moving here. To me someone that is bilingual is superior to someone that is monolingual. I wish I lived in a country in which I was taught more than one language like much of the rest of the Western world does... then I would be superior too... But I live in America, which means that like most of my countrymen I am inferior in my language skills. I have to work extra hard in graduate school to get a PhD because they demand I know a second language. I wish I was prepared already.

MasterRenegade77 -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 2:37:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Noah Times change. Those well suited to life adapt. The point is why should we have to adapt for them it oughta be them adapting... If I wanted to move to another country I'd be damned sure that I was ready to adapt before I even left My home country...

caitlyn -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 2:44:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterRenegade77 The point is why should we have to adapt for them it oughta be them adapting... If I wanted to move to another country I'd be damned sure that I was ready to adapt before I even left My home country... Yes, and you would have access to a wealth of resources that would make that possible. Have you considered that others might not have these resources, which may in fact be why they are coming here in the first place? The second generation will speak better English than most white kids I grew up with, trust me.

MasterRenegade77 -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 2:54:32 PM)
[/quote}wouldn't it be easier to just keep everyone out, period? . MMNH [/quote] Sure would be a whole lot easier to implement I think with our burgeoning population we have enough on our plate to contend with... Thinks we should keep our noses out of other countries biznezz & deal with our own problems too but that's not an option either...

Noah -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 3:12:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterRenegade77 quote: ORIGINAL: Noah Times change. Those well suited to life adapt. The point is why should we have to adapt for them it oughta be them adapting... If I wanted to move to another country I'd be damned sure that I was ready to adapt before I even left My home country... Yeah. And why should I have to adapt to the weather? Shouldn't the biosphere conform to my prejudices? We don't "have to" adapt for them,as far as that goes. We choose to, to varying degrees, individually and collectively. The relevant laws were passed by elected representatives. The relevant rules are promulgated and enforced by people subject to those elected representatives--if you're talking about governmental and quasi-governmental entities. If what your here pissing and moaning about is commercial acknowledgement of other languages the policies are created and carried out by good old American capitalist joes who would rather make a buck by serving everyone who wants their product or service than sit around a cobwebbed shopped drinking coffee and kvetching with social dinosaurs. I'd reccomend strongly to any individual moving to my neighborhood from a foreign land or from the ghetto, for that matter, to get good at the language of power first if the opportunity is present. But if they have the stones to make the jump on faith and attend to the language later I sure don't think any less of them. If you believe deeply in this and want to live life on the edge maybe you should sell your shit and move to the Mexican interior to set up an English as a Second Language institute. Hard to imagine that this wouldn't be an exciting, gruelling, and deeply rewarding way to finish out your life. As for your emmigration plans in general, I say pick a place and go for it and I mean that sincerely as well as sarcastically. You're all about living on the edge, so you say. There are countries with just the sort of approach you favor. It would be edgie for you to sell everything you own and move to one of them--once you have the language down--and experience the other side of your belief; be the one they're trying to keep from infecting them with your cultural influence. But man-to-man, Renegade, if you're sitting there telling yourself that you're more ready to adapt than those poor bastards risking their lives in the Southwest desert for a chance to work as roofers in Arizona, for instance, well then I just can't take you seriously.

missturbation -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 3:29:27 PM)
Well arent we Mr tolerant and mr sensitive? Some of these immigrants have been through hell and back. Whilst i agree that they should learn their new countries ways and fit in maybe after what they have been through they find it a little hard. Show a little compassion man.

DesertRat -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 3:35:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Show a little compassion man. "Nowhere is there warmth to be found... ...among those afraid of losing their ground" That's from Eight Miles High by the Byrds. Those words spoke to me when I was a mere prat, knee high to a married grasshopper. Fear is the enemy. Bob

missturbation -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 3:45:02 PM)
I watched on the news tonight and i have to say its very rare i watch the news an item about lebanese bombings. There were babies and kids laid in hospital with shrapnel wounds and worse crying and screaming in pain. Now if i could id take everyone of those kids into my home no questions asked. I get fed up over here (the uk) of all the immigrants getting everything handed on a silver plate to them but thinking about it theyve had it tough - a lot tougher than most of us and whilst yes there are always those who take advantage there are also those in genuine need and i just think we have to help them in whatever way we can.

MasterRenegade77 -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 6:51:02 PM)
The opetrative word in that sentence was "If"... No I don't want to go to a third world country, but When in Rome do as the romans do... Sorry but I have no sympathy for those that won't assimilate...

MasterRenegade77 -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 6:52:58 PM)
Tell Me what your country's compassion got you all in London just over a year ago...

Arpig -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 7:49:58 PM)
Actually Renegade, Britain is far more intolerant of immigrants languages than the US. And the reason so many places in the South West have service in english and spanish is NOT because of recent imigrants...the spanish-speaking people were already there when the US took the territory over from Mexico. As for the hispanic folks in your neck of the woods, they are mostly from Puerto Rico....a Spanish speaking island siezed by the US a little over 100 years ago. So you can't really blame the hispanics, they didn't immigrate, their ancestors were forcebly "attached", and they decided that they wanted to follow the American dream, so they moved to a different parts of the country, the country of which they are citizens by birth (not naturalisation), and the last time I checked that meant they have the right to live anywhere they want in the country. The other question that comes to mind is what the fuck difference does it make what language your neighbour wants to speak, and what language the guy down the street wants to do his business in? Why do you even care? Besides, there are few things more appealing than listening to a woman speak spanish.....yummy

enigmabrat -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 8:26:23 PM)
There are just sertain things you dont need to start a thread about!!!

Noah -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/20/2006 10:05:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterRenegade77 Tell Me what your country's compassion got you all in London just over a year ago... It got them relief from a pale monotony of color in skin and added richness to a culture already very much colored by influences from across the world.. It got them ska and bhangra and many amazing composers and performers of "serious" music as well. It got them a fantastic array of cuisines--and dear God we know what food was there before the immigrants. In literature it got them V.S. Naipaul, Salman Rushdie, Sam Selvon, Hanif Kureishi, and Michael Ondaatje, as I understand things. This list could be expanded to fill pages by someone with more knowledge of British culture than I have. Similar lists could be drawn up of actors, dancers, painters and sculptors, educators, researchers, and on and on. In general it got them many thousands of living, breathing, vibrant interesting and valuable visitors, residents and citizens. Engineers, housewives, nurses and doctors, tradesmen and professionals of all sorts. And yeah, a bunch of layabouts and criminals too. Do you think crime and sloth were never seen in Avalon before the non-English speakers arrived? Has it occurred to you that English is itself the most polyglot of all languages? It is the language that it is--the language Conrad chose to write in for God's sake--specifically because it has admitted and encouraged outside influences rather than rejecting them. And as someone else has kindly indicated for your benefit, those with a basic command of the language know that it is called English, not American. Your reasoning carried toward its conclusion would have the Queen of England speaking some tiny, gutteral Pictish dialect and all residents of North America speaking local languages ranging from that of the Mohawks to that of the Hopi. Or is it cool to speak your old language in a new land as long as the linguistic intrusion is accompanied by genocide? That you would judge a decades-old British approach to immigration on the actions of a handful of people on a given day shows the paucity of your claim. Your implicit conclusion that Native Language Testing would have prevented the London bombings demonstrates the quality of your reasoning. Now let me put the issue to you another way. As far as I know no nation in the past half-century been more successful than North Korea at filtering outside influences. How, in your estimation, has that worked out for them?

SirCumsSlut -> RE: A SIMPLER APPROACH AND SOLUTIO (7/21/2006 3:35:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: enigmabrat There are just sertain things you dont need to start a thread about!!! Oh I so agree with you [:)] Some day maybe bigotry and prejudice will be a thing of the past.

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