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Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/21/2016 7:09:23 PM   
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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/21/2016 7:19:23 PM   
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So what?

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/22/2016 3:38:16 PM   
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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/22/2016 4:39:29 PM   
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Move along, nothing to see.

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/23/2016 3:37:27 PM   
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Ernst Zundel can tell you all about freedom of speech.

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/23/2016 4:17:43 PM   
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Ernst Zundel is a racist shit....... enough said.

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 1:40:16 AM   
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Zundel is your idea of American freedom?????


you can keep it (and him) - no thanks

the good thing about emigration to America: that way Europe got rid of religious bigots, village idiots and do-no-goods
it definitely made Europe a much better place to live

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 3:25:41 AM   
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PHY. it becomes patently obvious, you do not have a mind of your own.

you use media threads which are probably biased.

poor lonely old sad pathetic , you say asshole, we say arsehole.

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 4:28:59 AM   
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Freedom of speech means speech YOU DO NOT LIKE.

I support Zundel 100 %. He never hurt anyone, do you think he should have been put in prison over what he said ?

Really ?

If so, GTFO of my country.

I mean, you get too out of line in a bar OK you might get hit. But the government doing it is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

And if any of you actually read D6MRD you will find that those figures were supplied by the Soviets who were not trustable.

And nobody in their right mind ever said the holocaust didn't happen, it is just that some question the numbers. Just questioning the numbers lands you in prison in some places.

You know, thompsonx calls Singapore a third world shithole, but I think Germany and any place with those laws against questioning the details of the holocaust are worse. Zundel never denied it happened. In fact D6MRD does not deny it happened.

The problem is that the holocaust industry makes it look like only Jews suffered. And are deserving of reparations. Well the people who did this to you are fucking dead so go fuck yourself. Just like the Blacks for slavery, which guess who facilitated ---

They are still suing for ore money, whining they had to sleep in an attic n shit. Well what about the Poles who risked their well being to put them up, and feed them ? They get fucking nothing, only the Jews are entitled. Go fuck yourself. Diary of Anne Frank, what about the people who let her live there ? Fucking NOTHING. We goyim are just here to serve. Get it ?

T^T

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 4:37:07 AM   
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FR
Zundel is your idea of American freedom?????


you can keep it (and him) - no thanks

the good thing about emigration to America: that way Europe got rid of religious bigots, village idiots and do-no-goods
it definitely made Europe a much better place to live



Even after this non-offensive drivel, let me just say:

All the sweet-talk in the world isn't going to entice us to take your ISIS-infested Syrian refugees.

I used to think that you were just Eurocentric. Now I realize you just hate America. There's a place for you. You're there, now.



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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 5:21:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Freedom of speech means speech YOU DO NOT LIKE.

I support Zundel 100 %. He never hurt anyone, do you think he should have been put in prison over what he said ?

Really ?

If so, GTFO of my country.



1. Yes really, I would not mind at all, it is where he would belong if he were here (and he knows, that's why he isn't here), and not only in Germany, also in Austria, France, the Czech Republic, and a few others - we all had an overdose of idiots like him. Innocent until proven guilty but there is hardly any need for more proof about Zundel being a Nazi propagandist - and a stupid one at that.

and 2. I am not in your country, you can stay in yours, so do I in mine


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I mean, you get too out of line in a bar OK you might get hit. But the government doing it is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

And if any of you actually read D6MRD you will find that those figures were supplied by the Soviets who were not trustable.

And nobody in their right mind ever said the holocaust didn't happen, it is just that some question the numbers. Just questioning the numbers lands you in prison in some places.

You know, thompsonx calls Singapore a third world shithole, but I think Germany and any place with those laws against questioning the details of the holocaust are worse. Zundel never denied it happened. In fact D6MRD does not deny it happened.

The problem is that the holocaust industry makes it look like only Jews suffered. And are deserving of reparations. Well the people who did this to you are fucking dead so go fuck yourself. Just like the Blacks for slavery, which guess who facilitated ---

They are still suing for ore money, whining they had to sleep in an attic n shit. Well what about the Poles who risked their well being to put them up, and feed them ? They get fucking nothing, only the Jews are entitled. Go fuck yourself. Diary of Anne Frank, what about the people who let her live there ? Fucking NOTHING. We goyim are just here to serve. Get it ?

T^T



The "holocaust industry" as you describe it is, maybe, in your mind only ...

Here everybody (who might be interested in facts of course) knows that not only jews suffered, but also gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, Poles, Czechs, French, Dutch, Russian, (and more...) ... and Germans too (and they were the first to be put in concentration camps). And they all are entitled. Some are dead, some still live - from both sides of the barbed wire. And the numbers are no secret either.

I lived in viewing distance of a concentration camp where relatives of mine were kept as prisoners. I know what that meant - you don't.




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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 6:48:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

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Zundel is your idea of American freedom?????


you can keep it (and him) - no thanks

the good thing about emigration to America: that way Europe got rid of religious bigots, village idiots and do-no-goods
it definitely made Europe a much better place to live



Even after this non-offensive drivel, let me just say:

All the sweet-talk in the world isn't going to entice us to take your ISIS-infested Syrian refugees.

I used to think that you were just Eurocentric. Now I realize you just hate America. There's a place for you. You're there, now.



Michael




well let me just say: there is a world outside america ...
no need to be "-centric" or hating to see positive differences


and if you won't take any Syrians - it would be a good idea though to take Afghans and Iraqis who supported the US forces in their countries as interpreters or whatever - and were left behind and fled to Europe over the last years

(just in case nobody told you that - these people exist and are here now or in Turkey a few thousand in number ...)


if that is the way the USA treat friends after they served US purposes nobody needs to wonder about a decline in world-wide popularity

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 7:56:07 AM   
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Phydeaux what worries you the most about it?

I favour free speech anything less is not free speech is the best I can answer...I read both the links and was mulling over what to say on here...so will leave it simply as that a can of worms.

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 1:51:41 PM   
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You know, thompsonx calls Singapore a third world shithole,

You should avail yourself of your self proclaimed intelligence and disabuse yourself of your self imposed ignorance. Google can be your friend. Just for once,instead of shooting form the lip, why don't you look up what "third world" means.


but I think Germany and any place with those laws against questioning the details of the holocaust are worse.

Once again germany is not one of the states in amerika so their laws are their laws and none of your business.

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 2:09:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: blnymph


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Freedom of speech means speech YOU DO NOT LIKE.

I support Zundel 100 %. He never hurt anyone, do you think he should have been put in prison over what he said ?

Really ?

If so, GTFO of my country.



1. Yes really, I would not mind at all, it is where he would belong if he were here (and he knows, that's why he isn't here), and not only in Germany, also in Austria, France, the Czech Republic, and a few others - we all had an overdose of idiots like him. Innocent until proven guilty but there is hardly any need for more proof about Zundel being a Nazi propagandist - and a stupid one at that.

and 2. I am not in your country, you can stay in yours, so do I in mine


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I mean, you get too out of line in a bar OK you might get hit. But the government doing it is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

And if any of you actually read D6MRD you will find that those figures were supplied by the Soviets who were not trustable.

And nobody in their right mind ever said the holocaust didn't happen, it is just that some question the numbers. Just questioning the numbers lands you in prison in some places.

You know, thompsonx calls Singapore a third world shithole, but I think Germany and any place with those laws against questioning the details of the holocaust are worse. Zundel never denied it happened. In fact D6MRD does not deny it happened.

The problem is that the holocaust industry makes it look like only Jews suffered. And are deserving of reparations. Well the people who did this to you are fucking dead so go fuck yourself. Just like the Blacks for slavery, which guess who facilitated ---

They are still suing for ore money, whining they had to sleep in an attic n shit. Well what about the Poles who risked their well being to put them up, and feed them ? They get fucking nothing, only the Jews are entitled. Go fuck yourself. Diary of Anne Frank, what about the people who let her live there ? Fucking NOTHING. We goyim are just here to serve. Get it ?

T^T



The "holocaust industry" as you describe it is, maybe, in your mind only ...

Here everybody (who might be interested in facts of course) knows that not only jews suffered, but also gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, Poles, Czechs, French, Dutch, Russian, (and more...) ... and Germans too (and they were the first to be put in concentration camps). And they all are entitled. Some are dead, some still live - from both sides of the barbed wire. And the numbers are no secret either.

I lived in viewing distance of a concentration camp where relatives of mine were kept as prisoners. I know what that meant - you don't.








yes and at the ripe old age of 23 I am sure you remember it well!

If you want an example of brito/american freedom here is the real holocaust.


Hellstorm - The Dresden Holocaust


Now thats what I call top shelf high road upscale Brito/American 'freedom'!


The Dresden Inferno – An Allied War Crime

This is a mini-documentary that Wayne from Justice 4 Germans put together about the fire bombing of Dresden on the night February 13th to 14th, 1945 with eye-witness testimony, describing a heinous, outrageous, Allied War Crime and a story of survival. The footage comes from various German sources which Wayne translated and narrated into English.

Millions murdered . . . Millions enslaved . . . Millions of men, women and children cast to the winds. . . . No matter what you have read about the Second World War, no matter what you have been told about it, no matter what you believe happened during the so-called “Good War” . . . forget it!

Now, for the first time in over 70 years, learn what the war and “peace” looked like from the loser’s perspective. Learn what was done to Germany and her people in the name of “freedom, democracy and liberation.” In their own words, in graphic detail, this is their story. . . .

Hellstorm–The Death of Nazi Germany, 1944-1947





No End in Sight

Germany Has Paid Out More Than $61.8 Billion
in Third Reich Reparations

Since 1951 Germany has paid more than 102 billion marks, about $61.8 billion at 1998 exchange rates, in federal government reparation payments to Israel and Third Reich victims. In addition, Germans have paid out billions in private and other public funds, including about 75 million marks ($49 million) by German firms in compensation to wartime forced laborers, the Welt am Sonntag newspaper reported recently. These figures are based on calculations by the German Finance Ministry, the influential paper said.

Of the total, Germany has paid out 78.4 billion marks ($47 billion) on the basis of the 1965 Federal Restitution Law (BEG) to persons, especially Jews, who had been persecuted during the Third Reich era on the basis of race, religion, origin or ideology.

While most of those who were alive during the Second World War are now dead, in recent years Germany was still paying out some 1.25 billion marks (about $75 million) to 106,000 pensioners in Israel, the United States and other countries on the basis of the 1965 Restitution Law.

A substantial portion of Germany's reparations payments have been to the "Jewish Claims Conference" for Jews who had persecuted by the Third Reich. Recipients include former forced laborers and concentration camp internees, as well as individuals deprived of rights or property under the Nazis. Based in New York City, the Jewish Claims Conference (JCC) has operated for decades as a kind of supra-national governmental agency for Jews around the world.

Looks like an industry to me.

http://www.claimscon.org/forms/allocations/Summary%20of%20Major%20Holocaust%20Compensation%20Programs.pdf


all despite the fact that the jews declared war on germany!

Someone can kick you in the shin then demand reparations! what a racket!




The real holocaust of world war 2 was the firebombing raids by britain and the us for the sole pupose of terror and complete annihilation of nonmilitary german targets.

They would fire bomb the center of a town causing a huge updraft then the outside perimeter sucking the perimeter fire to the center burning everyone and they had no way to escape.

The jewish holoicaust is just a cover for what the us and britain did for real.





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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 2:15:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Freedom of speech means speech YOU DO NOT LIKE.

I support Zundel 100 %. He never hurt anyone, do you think he should have been put in prison over what he said ?

Really ?

If so, GTFO of my country.



1. Yes really, I would not mind at all, it is where he would belong if he were here (and he knows, that's why he isn't here), and not only in Germany, also in Austria, France, the Czech Republic, and a few others - we all had an overdose of idiots like him. Innocent until proven guilty but there is hardly any need for more proof about Zundel being a Nazi propagandist - and a stupid one at that.

and 2. I am not in your country, you can stay in yours, so do I in mine


quote:




I mean, you get too out of line in a bar OK you might get hit. But the government doing it is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

And if any of you actually read D6MRD you will find that those figures were supplied by the Soviets who were not trustable.

And nobody in their right mind ever said the holocaust didn't happen, it is just that some question the numbers. Just questioning the numbers lands you in prison in some places.

You know, thompsonx calls Singapore a third world shithole, but I think Germany and any place with those laws against questioning the details of the holocaust are worse. Zundel never denied it happened. In fact D6MRD does not deny it happened.

The problem is that the holocaust industry makes it look like only Jews suffered. And are deserving of reparations. Well the people who did this to you are fucking dead so go fuck yourself. Just like the Blacks for slavery, which guess who facilitated ---

They are still suing for ore money, whining they had to sleep in an attic n shit. Well what about the Poles who risked their well being to put them up, and feed them ? They get fucking nothing, only the Jews are entitled. Go fuck yourself. Diary of Anne Frank, what about the people who let her live there ? Fucking NOTHING. We goyim are just here to serve. Get it ?

T^T



The "holocaust industry" as you describe it is, maybe, in your mind only ...

Here everybody (who might be interested in facts of course) knows that not only jews suffered, but also gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah's witnesses, Poles, Czechs, French, Dutch, Russian, (and more...) ... and Germans too (and they were the first to be put in concentration camps). And they all are entitled. Some are dead, some still live - from both sides of the barbed wire. And the numbers are no secret either.

I lived in viewing distance of a concentration camp where relatives of mine were kept as prisoners. I know what that meant - you don't.






And where the fuck is the reparations for the rest of them ? How come only Jews get reparations ?

That is what I mean by the holocaust industry. They made a fucking business out of it. Seriously, there is contention about who gets how much. They fight among themselves over that money.

Well nobody alive now did it. Nobody owes them a fucking thing. Those camps should be torn down and put up synagogues or something. Just like they wanted to put a mosque where the WTC used to be.

T^T

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 2:17:49 PM   
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"Innocent until proven guilty but there is hardly any need for more proof about Zundel being a Nazi propagandist"

Provide said proof. And nothing from the Soviets because we know and knew we couldn't trusty them, but for some reason trust them on this. Not fucking logical.

T^T

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 2:21:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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You know, thompsonx calls Singapore a third world shithole,

You should avail yourself of your self proclaimed intelligence and disabuse yourself of your self imposed ignorance. Google can be your friend. Just for once,instead of shooting form the lip, why don't you look up what "third world" means.


but I think Germany and any place with those laws against questioning the details of the holocaust are worse.

Once again germany is not one of the states in amerika so their laws are their laws and none of your business.


Well forget about third world, you call it a shithole. Why ? Ever been there ? Everything I can find on the net via your recommended Google indicates it is not that bad a place to live. They have a higher standard of living, a higher literacy rate and actual jobs and exports. You call that a shithole ?

Then what the fuck do you call the US ?

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 4:12:01 PM   
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Phydeaux what worries you the most about it?

I favour free speech anything less is not free speech is the best I can answer...I read both the links and was mulling over what to say on here...so will leave it simply as that a can of worms.



Thank you for an actually thoughtful response.

I have been speaking for more than 20 years that the world is polarizing into fault lines - western values on one side, islamic values on another - and other parties with their own agendas - russia, china etc.

Erdogan has made it his life's work to reverse the secular nature of Turkey. He is an Islamist.

Hard as it is to say - I think Europe needs to cut ties, even if the cost is losing an immigration deal, in the hopes that this will prompt a realization wthin turkey while their is still time to effect a change.

But like you, I am still mulling what I think should be done. But I am convinced that Merkel should have told Erdogan to fuck himself - i n those exact words.
And I salute the spectator which is running a ribald erdogan contest. Much like I supported the Danish Paper and charlie hebdoux.

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RE: Liberal Europe effect. Islamic Turkey: Scary - 4/24/2016 4:16:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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Zundel is your idea of American freedom?????


you can keep it (and him) - no thanks

the good thing about emigration to America: that way Europe got rid of religious bigots, village idiots and do-no-goods
it definitely made Europe a much better place to live



Even after this non-offensive drivel, let me just say:

All the sweet-talk in the world isn't going to entice us to take your ISIS-infested Syrian refugees.

I used to think that you were just Eurocentric. Now I realize you just hate America. There's a place for you. You're there, now.



Michael




well let me just say: there is a world outside america ...
no need to be "-centric" or hating to see positive differences


and if you won't take any Syrians - it would be a good idea though to take Afghans and Iraqis who supported the US forces in their countries as interpreters or whatever - and were left behind and fled to Europe over the last years

(just in case nobody told you that - these people exist and are here now or in Turkey a few thousand in number ...)


if that is the way the USA treat friends after they served US purposes nobody needs to wonder about a decline in world-wide popularity


Actually, we do take Afghans and Iraqis and Syrians here in America. I know this for a fact because I've met and worked with some of them personally. Maybe we don't take all of them; that may not be very practical.

As for Zundel, he's one of yours, so however you handle him is your business. I suppose our own equivalent might be some of those guys who run around with the Confederate flag and say "The South Will Rise Again!" Those guys are mostly a joke, but that's how they're generally treated - not as some kind of threat or legal problem. They can say whatever they want, as guaranteed by the Constitution. Making a martyr out of them would be counterproductive.

On the other hand, I've met a few Germans who say that there are many Germans who still believe in the same basic ideas, but that the anti-Nazi laws force them to learn how to hide it better. They claim that they're better disciplined and better organized than the beer-drinking wild rednecks of America who are going nowhere politically. But in Europe (they claim) nationalist movements are on the rise, precisely because they have stricter laws against them.

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