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kdsub -> The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 7:25:34 AM)
How many of you remember THIS? I was in Da Nang at the time of this photo. When I returned to the states my generation turned against the war and many who fought in it. Some say this iconic photo spawned the hippie movement that eventually resulting in the loss of will to fight. At the time there was only the picture without any back ground… will here is the history. I wonder if this information had been available at the time would there have been a different result? I also wonder why the reporter that took the picture did not speak out about the truth? Butch

Phydeaux -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 7:41:49 AM)
When the ratings point the camera eye You can show the truth while telling a lie Meat, the Press.

tj444 -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 7:53:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub How many of you remember THIS? I was in Da Nang at the time of this photo. When I returned to the states my generation turned against the war and many who fought in it. Some say this iconic photo spawned the hippie movement that eventually resulting in the loss of will to fight. At the time there was only the picture without any back ground… will here is the history. I wonder if this information had been available at the time would there have been a different result? I also wonder why the reporter that took the picture did not speak out about the truth? Butch I disagree with this statement- "the scene seems to depict the ruthless execution of a civilian, on a whim, in the streets of Saigon." It does not depict the execution of a civilian, on a whim.. it is quite obvious to me that he has his hands handcuffed (or tied/restrained) behind his back, he was obviously (imo) captured by the soldier (to the left). Whether it was right or wrong or legal there, imo people in the US felt an execution on the street was not how things are done here so therefore cruel and barbaric (by our standards).. There is really no indication from the pic who the guy with the gun is, he is not in a "uniform" so he doesnt look like a General.. Really, there are photos of Hitlers soldiers executing people, how is this pic any/much different from that? But, what do I know? I'm a Canadian and Canadians werent the poor sods that got drafted to fight in a war they didnt want to be in... I guess you think if that pic hadnt been taken that y'all would have "won"???

BamaD -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 8:06:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub How many of you remember THIS? I was in Da Nang at the time of this photo. When I returned to the states my generation turned against the war and many who fought in it. Some say this iconic photo spawned the hippie movement that eventually resulting in the loss of will to fight. At the time there was only the picture without any back ground… will here is the history. I wonder if this information had been available at the time would there have been a different result? I also wonder why the reporter that took the picture did not speak out about the truth? Butch Yep it was the picture I thought it was, and the answer was that the backstory on the picture didn't fit the photogrphers agenda. Kind of like the Arnett report on the "milk factory" bombing during desert storm.

kdsub -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 8:33:15 AM)
Tj I think you missed my point. It has nothing to do with winning or losing. I am just pointing out how the media and its lack of integrity in reporting can influence history instead of reporting it.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 4:11:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub How many of you remember THIS? I was in Da Nang at the time of this photo. When I returned to the states my generation turned against the war and many who fought in it. Some say this iconic photo spawned the hippie movement that eventually resulting in the loss of will to fight. At the time there was only the picture without any back ground… will here is the history. I wonder if this information had been available at the time would there have been a different result? I also wonder why the reporter that took the picture did not speak out about the truth? Butch Or, the Burning Cuyahoga River. [image]https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/river.jpeg[/image] This pic was used when describing a 1969 fire on the Cuyahoga River. That the river caught fire was used to drive the Clean Water Act. But, the 1969 River fire was almost a non-event. The fire was out in 30 minutes, and the local papers didn't even run a story. The picture used was from a 1952 fire on the Cuyahoga that was much, much worse. The Cuyahoga was already being cleaned up, had fire-watch in case of a flareup (which is why it was out so quickly). Here's archival footage of a local news station's report. The portion without sound is from 1969. Note the difference between the Time picture and the actual footage.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 4:57:43 PM)
quote: I am just pointing out how the media and its lack of integrity in reporting Are you really surprised by that? They are, and always have been, businesses first and foremost. They print/broadcast whatever will get them the most readers/viewers. Remember the Maine.

tj444 -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 5:55:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Tj I think you missed my point. It has nothing to do with winning or losing. I am just pointing out how the media and its lack of integrity in reporting can influence history instead of reporting it. Didnt we already know that tho? But I would say that the (traditional) media had more integrity back then than they do now.. and now you also have social media influencing a lotta shite, without caring if the "story" is true or total fiction.. certain "stories" spread faster than a wild fire does.. it can create new "darlings" and destroy others..

kdsub -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 6:01:19 PM)
I am not surprised at all... and this picture would have attracted readers even if the truth had been told at the time. So getting the most readers was not the driving force. Fox lying about the number of people at a rally is one thing...this was something different. This was a purposeful attempt by a reporter, that knowingly withheld information, to further his personal political beliefs.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 7:15:53 PM)
quote: This was a purposeful attempt by a reporter, that knowingly withheld information, to further his personal political beliefs. Beliefs shared by his readers. Reporters are NOT in the business of telling the truth, they are in the business of telling a story, that's why they call them stories, after all. Remember the Maine.

thompsonx -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 7:35:30 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD Yep it was the picture I thought it was, and the answer was that the backstory on the picture didn't fit the photogrphers agenda. Leave it to a chairborn range to justify the murder of a pow. The punkassmotherfucker with the gun was no different than the dead man on the ground.

kdsub -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 8:13:41 PM)
I can't agree...although I do understand that way of thinking. It may very well be the way it is but not the way it should be. I believe it should be a reporters responsibility to present the facts, as they know them anyway, without editorializing. There have, in my opinion, been reporters that did just that in years past. Today is a different breed that believe they must filter their reporting through a political ideology. Butch

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 8:59:26 PM)
quote: Today is a different breed that believe they must filter their reporting through a political ideology. Remember the Maine

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 9:01:04 PM)
quote: It may very well be the way it is but not the way it should be. It has always been that way

BamaD -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 9:25:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: This was a purposeful attempt by a reporter, that knowingly withheld information, to further his personal political beliefs. Beliefs shared by his readers. Reporters are NOT in the business of telling the truth, they are in the business of telling a story, that's why they call them stories, after all. Remember the Maine. They stand behind the freedom of the press, which is based upon the idea that it is the duty to both tell the truth. The freedom of speach is to protect their right to further ideas.

kdsub -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 9:31:50 PM)
I guess you would have had to live through the Huntley Brinkley Cronkite era Butch

sloguy02246 -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/22/2016 10:20:39 PM)
My friend, I did live thru that era and I remember this picture quite well. In fact, there is also a film of the event (sort of a "Zapruder"esque film of the killing) that shows the general standing the prisoner up, saying something and then shooting him in the temple. The man's body crumples to the ground, blood gushing out of his right temple in pulses. My recollection of the reported event was that the general claimed the man was a Viet Cong sniper who had killed both soldiers and innocent civilians and deserved to die. However, I think TJ is correct about the reaction here in the U.S.: "Whether it was right or wrong or legal there, imo people in the US felt an execution on the street was not how things are done here so therefore cruel and barbaric (by our standards).. " Yes, the American reaction was revulsion to a summary execution - even though it was committed in a faraway country immersed in a civil war that was continuing to claim American lives and seemed like it would never end. I will be first to admit it - that sniper probably did deserve to die. But what I believe most people found objectionable was the way the execution decision was made and how the "general" who did the execution then made sure to do it in front of a media audience.

tweakabelle -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/23/2016 2:53:54 AM)
I wasn't around at the time so I can't really say but wasn't there another still photo that had an enormous impact? The pic was of a naked girl, perhaps 8-10 y o, with terrible burn wounds, running from her village which was in flames, said to be caused by napalm bombing. The pic certainly had a powerful effect on me when I first saw it. While I don't doubt for a moment that the OP photo had an enormous impact around the world, I have read several times that this photo, not the one in the OP is credited with changing a lot of minds about the war in Vietnam. This is a link to the pic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Thi_Kim_Phuc In a happy footnote, the young girl survived and eventually migrated to Canada, where she established a foundation to help child victims of war and became a UNESCO Goodwill Ambassador.

thompsonx -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/23/2016 3:03:16 AM)
ORIGINAL: sloguy02246 I will be first to admit it - that sniper probably did deserve to die. Why should snipers be executed?

sloguy02246 -> RE: The power of the press and how it shapes history (4/23/2016 6:08:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: sloguy02246 I will be first to admit it - that sniper probably did deserve to die. Why should snipers be executed? Not all snipers, just that one - IF he did kill non-combatant civilians.

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