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vincentML -> The French are rioting again! (4/29/2016 11:08:50 AM)

Students and workers, one million strong, have taken to the streets and are burning tires at intersections to protest the up-coming proposal of 'labor reforms' in Parliament.

The 'reforms' would allow companies to fire workers under 26 without cause. The Government, according to this report believes that companies will hire more if they can fire more. Jesus, go figure. Evidently, the company needs to give a reason to fire someone. Imagine the burden [8|] The government claims the reforms will reduce unemployment and will allow France to adopt to globalization in the American mode.

What seems to be going on here is the conservative government is preparing to throw the French working class under the bus in exchange for slave labor in Southeast Asia, all part of the neoliberal agenda that led Thatcher to bust the coal miners union and privatize the railroads, and led Reagan to bust the Air Traffic Controllers Union.

The idea that labor protections are the cause of European unemployment is part of an overall myth that Europeans would benefit from a more American-style economy. The U.S. economy is said to be more competitive, yet we are running a record trade deficit of more than 6 percent of GDP, and the European Union is running a trade surplus. The U.S. economy is supposedly more dynamic, but French productivity is actually higher than ours. Their public pensions, free tuition at universities, longer vacations (4-5 weeks as compared with 2 weeks here), state-sponsored day care, and other benefits are said to be unaffordable in a “global economy.” But since these were affordable in years past, there is no economic logic that would make them less so today,

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Your thoughts????




WickedsDesire -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/29/2016 1:47:27 PM)

.....and wicked has his strong pain killers *tis been a long time* in conjunction with his bed wetting Chardonnay tonight

Makethy point Op less i visit thee with my pointy stick

Ah the French, a race of dwarves who munch the garlic....I wonder of oft why they meekly surrendered to the Nazis. Seems a complete dichotomy to what they have stood up to in my lifetime

I thought thir last riot was when the raised the pension age to 55 or 58 or something at the same time they government of gluttony in the uk (hmm) raised ors to 68 iand we bent over and asked them for more

I will clarify more; the English did for they are a meek like sheople race of delusions evermor galore, devoid of brain and libido they aspire to become Amerigo

how you like em apples

Wicked fuks off to his fridge that bares (yes correct spelling) him glorious wine

yes I op i got the nuances. perhaps it is a cia plot?





Phydeaux -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/29/2016 2:11:21 PM)

Thoughts?
The market always wins eventually.
It has nothing to do with americanism.
In point of fact America is a soft competitor.
The current downturn in France is caused by new competitors China has emerged and France is ill-prepared to compete. The faster France adopts free-market reforms the less pain there will be.

But people will follow whatever Pied Piper promises them free food and free money and eventually there's always a reckoning




tj444 -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/29/2016 2:57:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML


Your thoughts????

first, only total idiots would copy what the US does (who do they think was the root cause of the global financial debacle & inventor of mortgage securitization?)..

second, to put those 26 & younger on the chopping block is stupid and creates a divide between those older with those younger.. why not allow businesses to fire anyone at any age, if they are trying to copy American style business practice?

third, I would say to those 26 & younger to vote with their feet and move to other EU countries (the UK, Germany, etc) and leave France to old farts living off govt pensions...




Phydeaux -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/29/2016 3:28:41 PM)

Lol. You lefties are so weird.
Where do you think all the good people are going, leaving France?
Hint : is not greece. Or sweden. Or denmark.




Politesub53 -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/29/2016 4:33:03 PM)

Vincent......... Try and keep up matey........ Your link appear to be TEN years old.

Just sayin and all that........

As for Thatcher and the Miners, Scargill had brought down one Government, there was no way either main party would let that happen again.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/29/2016 7:57:17 PM)

Dude, that was in 2006.




tj444 -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/29/2016 11:33:51 PM)

~~ FR ~~

his link was from 2006 but this one is from 2 days ago... sounds like this happens on a regular basis..

"Riots engulf French streets: Protesters torch a Porsche as 170,000 students and activists clash with police over labour laws"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3564284/Burn-rich-Porsche-goes-flames-10-000-students-activists-clash-police-riots-labour-laws-France.html




tj444 -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/29/2016 11:55:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Lol. You lefties are so weird.
Where do you think all the good people are going, leaving France?
Hint : is not greece. Or sweden. Or denmark.

oh, and where do you think they are moving to??? Its a lot easier for them to move to another EU country, especially those with a good health care system..

"According to a French Foreign Ministry report published at the end of last month, the top five destinations are the UK, Switzerland, the US, Belgium and Germany. The French consulate in London has estimated that up to 400,000 French nationals live in the capital, a number equal to the population of France’s sixth largest city."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-say-au-revoir-to-france-over-two-million-french-people-now-live-abroad-and-most-are-crossing-9788348.html

And for the record, I am not a leftie, I am Canadian (& there I would be considered a conservative)...




vincentML -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/30/2016 6:11:08 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Vincent......... Try and keep up matey........ Your link appear to be TEN years old.

Just sayin and all that........

As for Thatcher and the Miners, Scargill had brought down one Government, there was no way either main party would let that happen again.


LMAO! Didn't catch the age of the article. Thankee matey. But it serves the purpose of a jumping off point for a discussion that is relevant today . . . . the commoditization of labor and the decimation of the working class.




vincentML -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/30/2016 6:21:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Thoughts?
The market always wins eventually.
It has nothing to do with americanism.
In point of fact America is a soft competitor.
The current downturn in France is caused by new competitors China has emerged and France is ill-prepared to compete. The faster France adopts free-market reforms the less pain there will be.

But people will follow whatever Pied Piper promises them free food and free money and eventually there's always a reckoning

The free market is an illusion, an ideological façade constructed to mask the corruption of congressmen by corporations and their dependence on the largess of tax-payer money.




vincentML -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/30/2016 6:52:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Vincent......... Try and keep up matey........ Your link appear to be TEN years old.

Just sayin and all that........

As for Thatcher and the Miners, Scargill had brought down one Government, there was no way either main party would let that happen again.

Politics seems to be a simplistic excuse. Thatcher had increased interest rates, and a nasty recession took hold, in the middle of which Thatcher raised taxes. Three million to five million Brits were tossed onto the unemployment heap. Additionally, there were plans afoot to close many mines. Thatcher responded to the strikes with police occupation and violence at the mines. Rather sticky activity by her.

It’s that under the prime minister’s guidance, MI5, police Special Branch, GCHQ and the NSA were mobilised not only to spy on the NUM on an industrial scale, but to employ agents provocateurs at the highest level of the union, dirty tricks, slush funds, false allegations, forgeries, phoney cash deposits and multiple secretly sponsored legal actions to break the defence of the mining communities.

In the years since, Thatcher and her former ministers and intelligence mandarins have defended such covert action by insisting the NUM leaders were “subversive” because they wanted to bring down the government. Which of course they did – but “legitimately”, as Scargill remarked recently, by bringing about a general election – as took place in the wake of the successful coal strike of 1974.




blnymph -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/30/2016 7:12:40 AM)

It is not a riot. It is the usual common prelude to negotiations between unions and the government in France - therefore so repetitive whether the 1970s, 80s, 90s, 2006 or 2016




Phydeaux -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/30/2016 8:32:43 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Thoughts?
The market always wins eventually.
It has nothing to do with americanism.
In point of fact America is a soft competitor.
The current downturn in France is caused by new competitors China has emerged and France is ill-prepared to compete. The faster France adopts free-market reforms the less pain there will be.

But people will follow whatever Pied Piper promises them free food and free money and eventually there's always a reckoning

The free market is an illusion, an ideological façade constructed to mask the corruption of congressmen by corporations and their dependence on the largess of tax-payer money.


Spoken like a true leftie. Vehement ideology, complete absence of a reality principle.




vincentML -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/30/2016 10:12:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Thoughts?
The market always wins eventually.
It has nothing to do with americanism.
In point of fact America is a soft competitor.
The current downturn in France is caused by new competitors China has emerged and France is ill-prepared to compete. The faster France adopts free-market reforms the less pain there will be.

But people will follow whatever Pied Piper promises them free food and free money and eventually there's always a reckoning

The free market is an illusion, an ideological façade constructed to mask the corruption of congressmen by corporations and their dependence on the largess of tax-payer money.


Spoken like a true leftie. Vehement ideology, complete absence of a reality principle.

The not unexpected reply from a delusional free-marketer willing to replace American labor with Asian slave labor under the false guise of global competition, and who doubtlessly believes markets should be free from government except for tax advantages, police and military protection, and an empirical foreign policy to promote our home based multinationals, who hide their money overseas from the tax man.




Phydeaux -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/30/2016 3:38:08 PM)

Again, you dont' really pay attention much.

Virtually every deal negotiated by obama - including the tppp - is a disaster. Any trade deal where trade flows pretty much one way - I look forward to trump renegotiating.

I believe that EVERY import should be rigorously tested for compliance with US law. No lead in chinese toys. I believe most of the fortune 500 companies should be broken apart - an all the biggest banks.

So nice try. Play again soon.




thompsonx -> RE: The French are rioting again! (4/30/2016 4:13:50 PM)


ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Again, you dont' really pay attention much.

It is pretty difficult to pay attention to the mind numbing drivel and tripe you post.


I believe that EVERY import should be rigorously tested for compliance with US law. No lead in chinese toys. I believe most of the fortune 500 companies should be broken apart - an all the biggest banks.


Who would you have do these inspections? The government that you fee is too large and do not trust?





vincentML -> RE: The French are rioting again! (5/1/2016 7:56:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Again, you dont' really pay attention much.

Virtually every deal negotiated by obama - including the tppp - is a disaster. Any trade deal where trade flows pretty much one way - I look forward to trump renegotiating.

I believe that EVERY import should be rigorously tested for compliance with US law. No lead in chinese toys. I believe most of the fortune 500 companies should be broken apart - an all the biggest banks.

So nice try. Play again soon.

Talk about not paying attention! All your angst about lead in Chinese toys and China is not a member of this trade deal.

It involves 12 countries: the US, Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Brunei, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, Chile and Peru.

Clearly, you do not know what you are talking about. Bah!




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The French are rioting again! (5/1/2016 11:29:43 AM)

quote:

Again, you dont' really pay attention much.

Virtually every deal negotiated by obama

No you don't pay much attention at all. Obama is not a leftist, he is a right of centre corporate free-market type. What you so often identify as "left" is in fact extreme centrist.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The French are rioting again! (5/1/2016 11:31:34 AM)

quote:

I believe most of the fortune 500 companies should be broken apart - an all the biggest banks.

A very left-wing idea.




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