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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: tj444
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imo any guy having sex with her when she was drunk coulda landed that guy in jail charged with rape.. she is just one of those crazy ones you truly regret ever meeting, kwim?

I have had sex with many drunks...as long as they are conscious they will participate in some pretty bizarre shit


well,.. so you seem to find pretty bizarre drunks and not the totally crazy drunks (like this chick).. lucky you!

If it had been my cab I would have done her in a heartbeat and charged her for the ride...both of them


I am sure lotsa guys would.. wouldnt ya be seriously afraid of catching something tho??? my gawd, who knows where she has been and how often... there is nothing wrong with a girl being a slut but a slut that doesnt think about taking precautions is just scary.. just sayin'


I am an old guy and plan on getting a lot older...therefore I always wear a party hat when I go to a party.

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almost every time??? (tj raises one eyebrow)

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ORIGINAL: Bhruic

Maybe he wanted to pursue financial damages, which is what civil cases are for. If you pursue a criminal case and lose, you are pretty much sunk for a civil case.

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

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Its probably a good thing he turned her down cuz she had been drinking all night, and having sex with someone that is drunk (therefore could not give consent) could have been grounds for her to have him charged with assault/rape..

OH MY GOODNESS!

By that token (of completely nonsensical) "thought", a drunk man never gives 'consent' to his raping a woman, if done under that condition.

Will you PLEASE just go back to Canada and STFU?

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Bhruic

Maybe he wanted to pursue financial damages, which is what civil cases are for. If you pursue a criminal case and lose, you are pretty much sunk for a civil case.

Oranthal James Simpson.

Let's remember that the burden of proof is much lighter in a civil trial. In a criminal trial, a defendant must be found guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt", whereas in a civil trial, if it's a probability of 51% that someone's guilty, they can fall.

The point remains that this woman was not treated the same way a male, accused of similar acts, would have been treated.

And let me just say this: People accused of rape SHOULD be brought in for questioning (at the very least) and, if they don't come willingly, they should be handcuffed. They should be brought in - if for no other reason - so that the police can evaluate if they are a danger to try the same thing with someone else. I am NOT advocating that men, accused of rape get treated too toughly. I'm arguing that anyone accused of rape should be scrutinized scrupulously.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

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ORIGINAL: tj444

Its probably a good thing he turned her down cuz she had been drinking all night, and having sex with someone that is drunk (therefore could not give consent) could have been grounds for her to have him charged with assault/rape..

OH MY GOODNESS!

By that token (of completely nonsensical) "thought", a drunk man never gives 'consent' to his raping a woman, if done under that condition.

Will you PLEASE just go back to Canada and STFU?

The person you quoted is (amazingly) correct in their assessment of how things work in this country.

I'm just waiting for some guy to wake up, hung over and suffering from "fucker's remorse" to charge his sober lady friend with rape and see if that turd doesn't stop up the works, a little.

Michael

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Well depends on whereyou come from apparently
Oklahoma Court Rules That Having Oral Sex With A Passed Out Woman Is Not Rape
Charges against a teenage boy, who allegedly had oral sex with a woman who passed out from drinking, may not proceed, according to an opinion by Oklahoma’s highest criminal court. The opinion, which was handed down last month but began to receive press attention this week, appears to turn on an oversight in Oklahoma’s criminal law.
The case involves a 17-year-old, identified only as R.Z.M. in the court’s opinion, who was drinking and smoking marijuana in a Tulsa park with a 16-year-old female classmate. This classmate reportedly became so drunk that she was unable to walk, was slipping in and out of consciousness, and had to be carried to a car. Sometime after these events, a blood test found her blood-alcohol level to be .341, over four times the legal limit to drive a car in Oklahoma.
After R.Z.M.’s DNA was found on the young victim, he claimed that she had consensual oral sex with him. After prosecutors charged R.Z.M. with “Forcible Sodomy,” a lower court ruled that this crime “cannot occur where a victim is so intoxicated as to be completely unconscious at the time of the sexual act of oral copulation.” The Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals, the state’s highest court on criminal matters, agreed with this decision.
Though prosecutors criticized the court’s decision, responsibility for this outcome appears to rest with Oklahoma’s legislature and not with its judiciary. Although Oklahoma’s rape law permits a conviction when “the victim is at the time unconscious of the nature of the act and this fact is known to the accused,” that law defines rape only to include “an act of sexual intercourse involving vaginal or anal penetration.” Because the alleged victim in this case was penetrated orally, R.Z.M.’s alleged actions do not constitute rape in Oklahoma.
Although the state’s “Forcible Sodomy” law is not explicitly limited to vaginal or anal penetration, that law does not include the language applying to unconscious victims. Thus, the court determined that it could not be applied to R.Z.M.’s case. If Oklahoma lawmakers wish for people like R.Z.M. to be convicted in the future, they will likely need to update the forcible sodomy law to bring it in line with the state’s rape law.
Indeed, as a window into just how antiquated that “forcible sodomy” law is, it only refers to the acts prohibited by the law using the euphemistic phrase “the detestable and abominable crime against nature.”
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/04/28/3773579/a-courts-revolting-leniency-to-men-who-sexually-prey-on-passed-out-drunk-women/

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Well if having sex when drunk is a form of rape, then I have been raped hundreds and hundreds of times, and enjoyed it almost every time.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
Its probably a good thing he turned her down cuz she had been drinking all night, and having sex with someone that is drunk (therefore could not give consent) could have been grounds for her to have him charged with assault/rape..

OH MY GOODNESS!
By that token (of completely nonsensical) "thought", a drunk man never gives 'consent' to his raping a woman, if done under that condition.
Will you PLEASE just go back to Canada and STFU?

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

On the evidence of the OP, and the subsequent events, it seems pretty clear that the woman should be facing charges of attempted rape and possibly more.

Probably, the reasons why she isn't facing those charges originate in a series of assumptions about masculine and feminine sexual behaviours that are deeply entrenched in society. These include:
* that only men are sexual aggressors;
* that only men can commit sexual assault;
* that only men are permitted to initiate sexual relationships;
* that female desire(s) is inherently reactionary ie, female desire is dormant unless it is aroused by the attentions/actions of a straight male.

In this particular case, it seems that these factors have conspired to the advantage of the female involved. This is rather ironic as these factors have traditionally been used to suppress female sexuality/sexualities. Perhaps it's even more ironic that the major challenges to these assumptions and replacing them with more equitable, accurate and realistic understanding of sexual behaviours have come from feminism and feminists.

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Ooooh, now you've done it. Did you not notice that Respectmen is currently gracing us with his presence?

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Yes, but our RM would have it that all we 'lefties/femininazis' would support it. We don't. I certainly don't.

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... this?

I'll give you a hint (but you'll have to read the whole article to get what I'm driving at):

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Since his call to 911 shortly after the fare — “She whipped out my penis and was trying to give me oral sex and I said no” — Farrell has maintained he was a victim of Gaubert’s drunken aggression. He quickly filed a civil claim against Gaubert, whose radio show on WGSO, “Law Out Loud,” ended shortly after the cab ride.

So ... I ask, again: What's wrong, here?



Michael

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ORIGINAL: tj444
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imo any guy having sex with her when she was drunk coulda landed that guy in jail charged with rape.. she is just one of those crazy ones you truly regret ever meeting, kwim?

I have had sex with many drunks...as long as they are conscious they will participate in some pretty bizarre shit


well,.. so you seem to find pretty bizarre drunks and not the totally crazy drunks (like this chick).. lucky you!

If it had been my cab I would have done her in a heartbeat and charged her for the ride...both of them


I am sure lotsa guys would.. wouldnt ya be seriously afraid of catching something tho??? my gawd, who knows where she has been and how often... there is nothing wrong with a girl being a slut but a slut that doesnt think about taking precautions is just scary.. just sayin'


I am an old guy and plan on getting a lot older...therefore I always wear a party hat when I go to a party.


well, good for you but i would go a bit further, I'd wanna see results of very, very recent testing as well (cuz a party hat doesnt protect ya against all the risks).. i know that sorta kills the mood (they sober up eventually) but better to know beforehand than after..

You don't get laid much do you?