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PT Barnum was a shill. Do we really want a shill as president??? Seriously???

I want someone who knows how to get the other side to pay 15 bucks for a 12 dollar deal.

"This way to the Egress".

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when he said he was self financing his campaign & that he wasnt bought like all the other politicians.. You call him "fluid", I call him a lying piece of shite..

I actually see it as, he has the freedom of choosing who's donations he wants to accept, because he finances his own campaign.
His not dependent on them. So his not controlled by them.
Huge difference from the others.
I mean it's Trump. Who the hell can control him and tell him what to do? Pleeaassse!
People are freaking out about him because he won't sing to their tune, he can't be controlled.

I dont like him cuz you cant believe anything he says.. he says one thing one day and the next he has done a 180 and says something exactly opposite.. that has been his entire campaign, he doesnt stand for anything.. so you cant trust a damn word he says.. how can anyone vote for someone as flaky as that?

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Trying to equate Trumps lack of political experience with a teenager is just plain dumb when his lack of experience is one of his better qualifications.

The mind just boggles at the thought of an inexperienced man at the helm given the state of the world, right now. The middle east, alone, is a powder keg waiting to go off in the faces of all of us. It takes a *lot* of knowledge even to begin to understand the nuances involved - thus, the small differences in political strategy that could mean the difference between war (or even bigger war) and peace. Trump is simply not up to the job. Electing him as POTUS would be like employing a particularly large, stupid and aggressive bull to manage a china shop.

Was it really any better 8 years ago, when we elected a guy that had spent a 8 years as a Senator in Illinois, and then was in his first term in the Senate representing Illinois? That guy had the experience necessary?

Does Hillary have the necessary experience? What experience does she have that makes you think she's going to do well as President?

The two main parties have given us shitty choices.

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DesideriScuri I consider you a reasonable man with a conservative way of thinking... but not a fanatic. I hope I am not putting you on the spot but the question I am going to ask is of importance in the coming election.

Thanks for the compliments. You are putting me on the spot, so to speak, but this is not something I'm shy about.

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If, as it looks likely, Trump gets the nomination will you vote party over your misgivings? If not will you just not vote or consider voting for Clinton?
Butch

I won't vote for a party. Even if I did, I wouldn't be voting for Trump. I'm a Libertarian. That being said, I've stated on these boards that I'll vote for the person that best represents my beliefs in how government is supposed to be run. I don't know who the other candidates for President are going to be, but I have around 6 months for me to do my homework. I will vote for Hillary IF it turns out she's the one that best represents my beliefs in how government is supposed to be run.

I will no longer cast a vote against a candidate (vote for the "lesser of two evils"), but will only cast a vote in favor of the one who represents me best.

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I remember back when GWB was running, with Cheney as VP. There was a lot of discussion along these lines. I knew several people, including my husband, who voted for Bush simply because he would have Cheney there to advise him.

It's doubtful that Trump's going to get any advisors of the (for want of a better word) calibre of the shrub's team of his father's erstwhile stooges, though. That dimwitted Alaskan woman is sniffing his arse hoping for the VP nomination even as we speak, isn't she?

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The really frightening thing about that is that on a Trump/Palin ticket, she'll be the credible one.
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The uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.............public debt is mostly held by uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the public. US citizens.

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AtUrCervix
Nevertheless....if you think Hillary is the best choice....you should vote for her. If you think Trump is the best choice....you should vote for him. If you think Johnson (I hope I got that right) is the right choice....you should vote for him.

Voting for the lesser of....is the biggest waste of the BIGGEST responsibility......you were graced with at birth.....by virtue of your birth.

Desi is voting for the right person....because he's voting for the person he thinks can solve the problems we share....collectively.

THAT's a responsible vote.

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I think Hillary is one of the worst candidates out there, but The Donald is a close 2nd (or their placing is vice versa). Absolutely horrible candidate. If you've read other stuff I post, you'll see that I'm a Libertarian, and that I truly believe Hillary will be indicted before November.

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Your common sense needs more sense. How are things ever going to change and/or get better if you vote for the lesser of two evils?

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ORIGINAL: Blank101

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AtUrCervix
Nevertheless....if you think Hillary is the best choice....you should vote for her. If you think Trump is the best choice....you should vote for him. If you think Johnson (I hope I got that right) is the right choice....you should vote for him.

Voting for the lesser of....is the biggest waste of the BIGGEST responsibility......you were graced with at birth.....by virtue of your birth.

Desi is voting for the right person....because he's voting for the person he thinks can solve the problems we share....collectively.

THAT's a responsible vote.

In a political system where you have two major parties, voting for the person you think is best (ie. a third party candidate) will basically give a vote to the person you disagree with the most.

As I pointed out to Desi earlier, there's a Youtube series by a guy named CGP Grey who makes videos based on voting and politics. This video explains why voting for a third party isn't effective : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Trying to equate Trumps lack of political experience with a teenager is just plain dumb when his lack of experience is one of his better qualifications.

The mind just boggles at the thought of an inexperienced man at the helm given the state of the world, right now. The middle east, alone, is a powder keg waiting to go off in the faces of all of us. It takes a *lot* of knowledge even to begin to understand the nuances involved - thus, the small differences in political strategy that could mean the difference between war (or even bigger war) and peace. Trump is simply not up to the job. Electing him as POTUS would be like employing a particularly large, stupid and aggressive bull to manage a china shop.

Was it really any better 8 years ago, when we elected a guy that had spent a 8 years as a Senator in Illinois, and then was in his first term in the Senate representing Illinois? That guy had the experience necessary?
Does Hillary have the necessary experience? What experience does she have that makes you think she's going to do well as President?
The two main parties have given us shitty choices.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Trying to equate Trumps lack of political experience with a teenager is just plain dumb when his lack of experience is one of his better qualifications.

The mind just boggles at the thought of an inexperienced man at the helm given the state of the world, right now. The middle east, alone, is a powder keg waiting to go off in the faces of all of us. It takes a *lot* of knowledge even to begin to understand the nuances involved - thus, the small differences in political strategy that could mean the difference between war (or even bigger war) and peace. Trump is simply not up to the job. Electing him as POTUS would be like employing a particularly large, stupid and aggressive bull to manage a china shop.

Was it really any better 8 years ago, when we elected a guy that had spent a 8 years as a Senator in Illinois, and then was in his first term in the Senate representing Illinois? That guy had the experience necessary?
Does Hillary have the necessary experience? What experience does she have that makes you think she's going to do well as President?
The two main parties have given us shitty choices.

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I think Hillary is one of the worst candidates out there, but The Donald is a close 2nd (or their placing is vice versa). Absolutely horrible candidate. If you've read other stuff I post, you'll see that I'm a Libertarian, and that I truly believe Hillary will be indicted before November.

You're probably one of those voters who voted for Ross Perot and if you weren't old enough you probably wished you could and we all know what happened that election.

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Your common sense needs more sense. How are things ever going to change and/or get better if you vote for the lesser of two evils?

Since you lack common sense you don't have the ability to grasp the importance of (when necessary) voting for the lesser of two evils verses throwing your vote away and possibly ending up with the worst one of the two.

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Trying to equate Trumps lack of political experience with a teenager is just plain dumb when his lack of experience is one of his better qualifications.

The mind just boggles at the thought of an inexperienced man at the helm given the state of the world, right now. The middle east, alone, is a powder keg waiting to go off in the faces of all of us. It takes a *lot* of knowledge even to begin to understand the nuances involved - thus, the small differences in political strategy that could mean the difference between war (or even bigger war) and peace. Trump is simply not up to the job. Electing him as POTUS would be like employing a particularly large, stupid and aggressive bull to manage a china shop.

Was it really any better 8 years ago, when we elected a guy that had spent a 8 years as a Senator in Illinois, and then was in his first term in the Senate representing Illinois? That guy had the experience necessary?
Does Hillary have the necessary experience? What experience does she have that makes you think she's going to do well as President?
The two main parties have given us shitty choices.

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I sit corrected....
"He served three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004, and ran unsuccessfully in the Democratic primary for the United States House of Representatives in 2000 against incumbent Bobby Rush.
In 2004, Obama received national attention during his campaign to represent Illinois in the United States Senate with his victory in the March Democratic Party primary, his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in July, and his election to the Senate in November."
(I read...."as a US Senator".....I bow down:) )

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Trying to equate Trumps lack of political experience with a teenager is just plain dumb when his lack of experience is one of his better qualifications.

The mind just boggles at the thought of an inexperienced man at the helm given the state of the world, right now. The middle east, alone, is a powder keg waiting to go off in the faces of all of us. It takes a *lot* of knowledge even to begin to understand the nuances involved - thus, the small differences in political strategy that could mean the difference between war (or even bigger war) and peace. Trump is simply not up to the job. Electing him as POTUS would be like employing a particularly large, stupid and aggressive bull to manage a china shop.

Was it really any better 8 years ago, when we elected a guy that had spent a 8 years as a Senator in Illinois, and then was in his first term in the Senate representing Illinois? That guy had the experience necessary?
Does Hillary have the necessary experience? What experience does she have that makes you think she's going to do well as President?
The two main parties have given us shitty choices.

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I sit corrected....
"He served three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004, and ran unsuccessfully in the Democratic primary for the United States House of Representatives in 2000 against incumbent Bobby Rush.
In 2004, Obama received national attention during his campaign to represent Illinois in the United States Senate with his victory in the March Democratic Party primary, his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in July, and his election to the Senate in November."
(I read...."as a US Senator".....I bow down:) )

No need to bow down.

It was a bit tricky. He was a Senator in Illinois, and then represented Illinois in the Senate (I probably should have put US Senate). Just tricky. No harm no foul. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: Blank101

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AtUrCervix
Nevertheless....if you think Hillary is the best choice....you should vote for her. If you think Trump is the best choice....you should vote for him. If you think Johnson (I hope I got that right) is the right choice....you should vote for him.
Voting for the lesser of....is the biggest waste of the BIGGEST responsibility......you were graced with at birth.....by virtue of your birth.
Desi is voting for the right person....because he's voting for the person he thinks can solve the problems we share....collectively.
THAT's a responsible vote.

In a political system where you have two major parties, voting for the person you think is best (ie. a third party candidate) will basically give a vote to the person you disagree with the most.
As I pointed out to Desi earlier, there's a Youtube series by a guy named CGP Grey who makes videos based on voting and politics. This video explains why voting for a third party isn't effective : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix
I blame you.