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Lucylastic -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/9/2016 2:56:48 PM)

I think clownfish are one species.......think that came out after....finding nemo.




ShaharThorne -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/9/2016 4:27:58 PM)

Remember that Sam Neill mentioned that the scientists used frog DNA to fill in the missing links in dinosaur DNA and that some African frog species do change gender. How do you think that some of the dinosaurs were able to reproduce? Asexual reproduction?




DesFIP -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/9/2016 8:08:10 PM)

I just don't understand how people can be this determinedly ignorant. It's been over 70 years since Christine Jorgenson, 40+ years since Jan Morris.

How do people refuse to learn anything? Surely it would take a lot less work to open your mind.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/9/2016 8:10:50 PM)

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How do people refuse to learn anything? Surely it would take a lot less work to open your mind.

I suspect they take pride in their ignorance. You know the way the college boy with all his book learning is looked down on as somehow efeete.




Greta75 -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/9/2016 10:07:27 PM)

I don't get why people are using natural, nature changed of gender re assignation, and compare it to the equivalent of artificial gender reassignment of plastic surgery, AS IF it's exactly the same thing.

If a human child was born a woman and then grows a dick naturally when she reaches 21 or something. I have no objection that!

I am all about, accept your own body that you were born with and STOP Trying to change it through plastic surgery!




Greta75 -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/9/2016 10:10:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FelineRanger

What give you the right to judge transgenders or anyone else?


I am stating a fact that body modification is not body acceptance. And I support that people stop mutilating their own bodies and start loving their bodies.




Greta75 -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/9/2016 10:12:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
Because it is a severe dissonance which creates emotional pain and distress.


This is exactly where it gets sticky.

In my country and maybe in the US too. More and more mothers are willing to pay for plastic surgery for their teenage daughters to fix their nose, fix their breast, fix whatever imperfections of their natural body they feel they have.

And I disapprove of this. Because what is it teaching people really?

Their argument is also, it causes their daughter severe emotional distress for not liking the body she has that she has to change it and she would be happier and more confident with the new body.

Take away I feel like a boy when I am girl issues. Many young people feel that their insides does not suit the body they have outside, compared to what they feel they are inside. This is WHY plastic surgery is striving. They have a vision of themselves as something else, and they try to artificially create it.

You know, people mutilate their bodies all they want. I don't even agree with circumcision, another mutilation people do to their babies that is unnecessary.

I support whatever is given to us naturally and learn to embrace it. That's just my stand. But if people choose to change everything they don't like about themselves physically, that's their choice. When it comes to other matters, like choosing a friend, what they do does not harm me. So I don't consider myself prejudice against them, but I don't support their practice of mutilating themselves and if they told me they were going to do it, I would say, your body, your choice, but don't ask me to tell you, you are doing the right thing.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/9/2016 11:27:09 PM)

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I don't get why people are using natural, nature changed of gender re assignation, and compare it to the equivalent of artificial gender reassignment of plastic surgery, AS IF it's exactly the same thing.

We aren't. You said male does not become female and female does not become male, and we were just pointing out to you that you were wrong. In my case it was intended to be light hearted.
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I support whatever is given to us naturally and learn to embrace it.

I have some questions for you.
Do you have pierced ears?
If so, why did you not just accept your ears the way they were, why did you mutilate them?
Do you wear make up?
If so, why do you not just accept your face the way it is, why do you try to improve it with cosmetics?
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Take away I feel like a boy when I am girl issues.

But you can't, because that is central to the whole question.




Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/10/2016 6:03:07 AM)

Are you drunk? I think you are because point out to me where I have stated Greta has posted drunk or threatened anyone? What I do or have done has nothing to do what she does. No she stays level headed, even when it's routine for some others to call her views stupid or she as a person stupid.
Now me, I am a whole different kettle of fish. No no, i am mistaken, a few of you are the fish, not born but hatched. I would be a whale of a tale, being a mammal, that was born. Having a huge blow hole with a lot of force. All this is really silly though because we aren't fish or whales. I wonder if fish or whales want arms and legs? The right thing to do is give them surgery and give them arms and legs because after all, they might want that. Now they can't live out of water, but that doesn't matter, give them what they want!!!
Dinosaurs, well we aren't dinosaurs either. In fact dinosaurs are extinct, so really who gives a rats behind whether they were hatched or born live. How is it relevant to life today? People are curious, stupidly curious. What next one of our genuis scientist will be so smart they begin cloning dinosaurs because they can!.... By the way when they grow up they will eat you. But damn it's cool. Like the idiot who created nuclear bombs.... The human race is so damn smart. We create things to kill us and every living creature on the earth. Bravo! Bravo!
All those science fiction shows people watch, things that people couldn't imagine and watch them for entertainment, think about it, those unimaginable things are actually reality now or are slowly becoming reality. The excitement is wonderful isn't? Everything weird, unnatural, and disrupting is going very well with the nature order of things, yes??? Bravo again.
Socially let's hit on that.
A few of you act like your all grown up and so tolerant and liberal and so open minded. Hmmm, well to much open mindedness is plain stupidity. Must be the poison in the food leading to the zombie apocalypse. Maybe this explains the insanity.
Simply put, really you act like middle school children, making comments in sly or as a group because alone you have no voice. You keep little journal and notes and contradict yourself routinely. Don't break TOS! But when you are pushed you find your notes and begin your bully attempts, doing the very thing you give speeches about! Are you running for political office?
Can I be full of venom and bullshit? Oh you betcha! It can even be a delayed reaction or on certain days a drunken reaction.
what a crazy comparison about women wearing makeup or piercing their ears. That's called embracing and enhancing their femininity.
If my children or any child for that matter, came to me everyday and said I'm stupid, I should just embrace that and say "okay your stupid embrace it and forever believe it" maybe tattoo on their head a big S branding them.
What I have came to realize here ( not all but some) people accept not the normal but the abnormal. It's like visiting the land of misfit toys, and when you enter, it's not kindness you find that makes you want to understand, it's cruel, mean, jaded, hateful, crazy and you see it just ain't worth fixing.
I enjoyed writing this more then anyone will ever know! And hated writing it more then anyone will ever know.
Excuse me I need to go drink and treat my BPD. Ah hahaha.




Lucylastic -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/10/2016 6:13:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

Are you drunk? I think you are because point out to me where I have stated Greta has posted drunk or threatened anyone? What I do or have done has nothing to do what she does. No she stays level headed, even when it's routine for some others to call her views stupid or she as a person stupid.
Now me, I am a whole different kettle of fish. No no, i am mistaken, a few of you are the fish, not born but hatched. I would be a whale of a tale, being a mammal, that was born. Having a huge blow hole with a lot of force. All this is really silly though because we aren't fish or whales. I wonder if fish or whales want arms and legs? The right thing to do is give them surgery and give them arms and legs because after all, they might want that. Now they can't live out of water, but that doesn't matter, give them what they want!!!
Dinosaurs, well we aren't dinosaurs either. In fact dinosaurs are extinct, so really who gives a rats behind whether they were hatched or born live. How is it relevant to life today? People are curious, stupidly curious. What next one of our genuis scientist will be so smart they begin cloning dinosaurs because they can!.... By the way when they grow up they will eat you. But damn it's cool. Like the idiot who created nuclear bombs.... The human race is so damn smart. We create things to kill us and every living creature on the earth. Bravo! Bravo!
All those science fiction shows people watch, things that people couldn't imagine and watch them for entertainment, think about it, those unimaginable things are actually reality now or are slowly becoming reality. The excitement is wonderful isn't? Everything weird, unnatural, and disrupting is going very well with the nature order of things, yes??? Bravo again.
Socially let's hit on that.
A few of you act like your all grown up and so tolerant and liberal and so open minded. Hmmm, well to much open mindedness is plain stupidity. Must be the poison in the food leading to the zombie apocalypse. Maybe this explains the insanity.
Simply put, really you act like middle school children, making comments in sly or as a group because alone you have no voice. You keep little journal and notes and contradict yourself routinely. Don't break TOS! But when you are pushed you find your notes and begin your bully attempts, doing the very thing you give speeches about! Are you running for political office?
Can I be full of venom and bullshit? Oh you betcha! It can even be a delayed reaction or on certain days a drunken reaction.
what a crazy comparison about women wearing makeup or piercing their ears. That's called embracing and enhancing their femininity.
If my children or any child for that matter, came to me everyday and said I'm stupid, I should just embrace that and say "okay your stupid embrace it and forever believe it" maybe tattoo on their head a big S branding them.
What I have came to realize here ( not all but some) people accept not the normal but the abnormal. It's like visiting the land of misfit toys, and when you enter, it's not kindness you find that makes you want to understand, it's cruel, mean, jaded, hateful, crazy and you see it just ain't worth fixing.
I enjoyed writing this more then anyone will ever know! And hated writing it more then anyone will ever know.
Excuse me I need to go drink and treat my BPD. Ah hahaha.




Nobody said you had stated greta was drunk. Or that she threatened anyone.





ThatDizzyChick -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/10/2016 6:19:33 AM)

Oh dear me, hitting the bottle early today are we?




Greta75 -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/11/2016 5:31:46 PM)

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I have some questions for you.
Do you have pierced ears?
If so, why did you not just accept your ears the way they were, why did you mutilate them?
Do you wear make up?
If so, why do you not just accept your face the way it is, why do you try to improve it with cosmetics?

My ears were mutiliated and pierced against my will by my mother when I was a baby. I had refused to wear any earings on my ears, as it was NOT my choice to have them pierced. I remembered my ear holes even closed when I was 10 yr old, because I keep taking the earings off that my mother forced me to wear. And she repierced them against my will with a needle.

I have never wore make up. I DO believe make up is also taking confidence away from woman's natural beauty and what a female natural face should be like. It also fudges men's impression of what a natural female face should look like which means. A made up face.

I am confident of my own natural beauty and feel I do not need make up to enhance my own face. I actually never understood the logic of make up. And I don't agree with it. To me, it's just smearing face paint. Whatever for? I am really happy with my natural face. I never had a problem with it. I support body acceptance and just acceptance of what was given to you naturally. And just embrace and love it. Wear your natural face proud.

I have resigned in jobs who forced me to wear make up on face.




DesFIP -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/11/2016 8:43:48 PM)

So you're allowed to choose how you want to express yourself but you want to deny that choice to anyone else.

If you can deny that to others, then why shouldn't someone pass a law mandating how you dress and requiring you to wear cosmetics?
People either all have the right to decide for themselves or nobody does.




Lucylastic -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/11/2016 8:53:07 PM)

sorry meant to post this to greta not Des.

funny ....meghan trainor, just removed her new video from her website, because the post pro guys photoshopped her waist to be thinner than she really is.
She is more than a little upset...
Free to choose wether you pierce your own ears, or wear whatever you want, be whoever you feel, feel how you want, or not.
She really isnt happy with someone making a choice for her is she...
why would anyone be?




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/12/2016 12:16:26 AM)

Fair enough then, Thanks for answering.




Greta75 -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/12/2016 8:45:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

So you're allowed to choose how you want to express yourself but you want to deny that choice to anyone else.

I disapprove of Christianity, does this mean I want to deny people from being Christians?
Not the same thing at all. I condemn Christianity, I condemn Islam. I condemn body modifications. But I believe in freedom of people to CHOOSE to do the things I don't agree with.

Whole different things. So when raising a child, I may be against her doing something stupid, like that horrible trend of ear holes so large that you can put your entire thumb into it. Some teenage kids think it's cool. I will state my position. But if she chooses to do it, I may not stop her, but I will not show approval.

BTW, Bruce Jenner now apparently regrets changing sex, and is apparently on a process to change back.

What happens also is, for his case. He sexually prefers to have sex with women. His realising, as a transgender, it was almost impossible for him to find straight women to date.

So now he wants to switch back.

This is what happens. I don't think think people should switch. He had the whole psychological evaluation and all that stuffs, and they deem him genuinely wanting to be a woman. But it turn out to be, he just enjoys cross dressing, he has confusion because he does enjoy make up and dresses and all that female stuffs, is what I think he enjoys, not that he really physically wants to be a woman but people just start all this sex change thing to make it even more confusing, that he now made the wrong choice.

In Singapore, there was a feature on this couple. They have 2 kids. Her husband LOVES dressing up as a woman. His straight, likes sex with women, but love dressing up as a woman. He goes out with his wife and kids, dressing up as a woman. He doesn't dress as a man. He found a woman to accept that, and he gets to indulge in what he loves. It all works out. No sex change required. He was just accepted as what he was.

I think natural body acceptance is the best solution to people who feel their insides does not match their outsides.




Greta75 -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/12/2016 8:58:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
funny ....meghan trainor, just removed her new video from her website, because the post pro guys photoshopped her waist to be thinner than she really is.
She is more than a little upset...
Free to choose wether you pierce your own ears, or wear whatever you want, be whoever you feel, feel how you want, or not.
She really isnt happy with someone making a choice for her is she...
why would anyone be?

How is that situation relevant to this situation. Meghan Trainor is THE role model of body acceptance. Someone tried to change her NATURAL body. I support everybody's NATURAL body. I think our perception of what's beautiful, needs to stop being influenced and distorted by the fashion industry. Media can be so subliminal to our subconscious.

You know, when we live in a world where women even feel the need to go to bed with make up and sneak out of bed, refreshing their make up before their boyfriend wake up, so they will always look their best.

This is just, a ridiculous world right now.

I just roll my eyes, when my girlfriends are wearing make up to go swimming, and not leisure swimming, serious like training for triathlon training. Or roughing out in mud and rain in the jungles of Malaysia, where you sweat buckets in 100% humidity. They are wearing make up and touching up despite being covered in mud. I don't get it.




Lucylastic -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/12/2016 9:07:22 PM)

Its what happens when you disrespect someones right to their own body choices.
They wanted her to be what they wanted her to be, Un naturally
It should be left to the person to decide what is "theirs" and part of them.
No one else

Body adornment and modification has been around since the beginning of time. some people are a little more crazy about it than others. so are some of the people against it.





Greta75 -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/12/2016 9:10:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Body adornment and modification has been around since the beginning of time. some people are a little more crazy about it than others. so are some of the people against it.

This is true, you see it in tribal women, they mutilate their lips, their necks, their ears, their bodies, because of the perception of the society they live in, that, that's what's beauty is. Needs artificial enhancement.

I don't have to be supportive of any of that. I feel deep down inside of me, this is wrong. It is wrong that people needs to be anything other than their natural self to be perceived as beautiful as they are.

I bet when people stop giving shit to a straight man for enjoying dressing up as a woman for example. That man will feel no need for gender reassignment. He just needs it, because he feels the need to justify why he wants to dress as a woman.





ThatDizzyChick -> RE: What my daughter wrote says it all... (5/12/2016 9:52:21 PM)

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I bet when people stop giving shit to a straight man for enjoying dressing up as a woman for example. That man will feel no need for gender reassignment. He just needs it, because he feels the need to justify why he wants to dress as a woman.

LOL
Don't make too large a bet there.




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