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Politesub53 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/13/2016 5:09:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

You can pretend she is only saying it phonetically but we both know better.

As to the meme, I never said there was anything ok with it, but I am not surprised you are twisting my words to claim I did. Seems to be sop with you.

And I will start taking your advice on how much to post or not post when you start paying me a salary to be here. Until then it's really none of your fucking business.



Laughable considering your quote about me not getting back to you.



Politesub53 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/13/2016 5:18:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: respectmen

Would a muslim dominated country let a christian be mayor? I highly fucking doubt it. The lefties don't care about that hypocrisy though because lefties love hypocrisy.


Do you think only the left voted for Khan ? Are you really that fucking thick ?



ThatDizzyChick -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/13/2016 7:33:50 PM)

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Just because you say it doesn't make it true so where's your site?

Site? Do you perhaps mean a cite?
And honestly, all you need is a passing knowledge of modern world history to know that is the case.
What's more, where's your cite for your claim? After all just because you say it isn't doesn't make that true.



bigjb62 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/13/2016 8:22:53 PM)

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Site? Do you perhaps mean a cite?
And honestly, all you need is a passing knowledge of modern world history to know that is the case.
What's more, where's your cite for your claim? After all just because you say it isn't doesn't make that true.


Yes I did mean cite. And something made up does not pass as modern history as it's still just made up garbage.

It wasn't me who claimed that several religions try force their beliefs on everyone else and I asked which ones besides Islam that did that. I then asked for proof that the religions listed actually did that.

So how does that turn into me having to prove that those religions don't do it. I didn't make a claim about religions that had them doing something that there was no proof of in the first place.

And then you jump on the bandwagon without adding anything except to repeat the same bullshit without any proof either.



ThatDizzyChick -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/13/2016 11:38:08 PM)

Oh God really? Are you really that uninformed?
OK
Christianity: Trying to get creationism taught in schools, trying to limit access to birth control. Do you really need me to provide citations for those things? How about the Christian inspired anti-gay laws popping up in Africa?
Judaism: The Shas party in Israel, which "advocates a state run according to Halakha, the Jewish religious law"
Buddhism: The extremist Buddhist movement in Myanmar and elsewhere. See here, and here, and also here.
Hinduism: The saffron terror and other extremist such as those wanting to punish beef eating with death.
Sikhism: The Khalistan movement.

See what I mean about just needing a passing knowledge of modern history? None of this is obscure or lacking in media coverage, it all is in the mainstream media as well as various blogs. This shit is common knowledge. So much for your claim of there being no proof, eh?




thishereboi -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 4:41:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: respectmen

What aren't isolated incidents are christians getting kidnapped/killed in countries such as Iraq and Egypt in the name of islam. How many incidences do you see of muslims getting kidnapped and/or killed in the name of christianity in places like America and the UK?



You mean like this

https://www.rt.com/usa/325922-hate-crimes-muslims-mosques/



thishereboi -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 4:44:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Link please


Here you go toots...... http://www.collarchat.com/m_4494797/mpage_159/tm.htm

Top of the page...... the words in the song, lifted straight from Stormfronts website.

If you wish to argue about your racism, you would do well to remember the obnoxious shit you were trying to defend.






I wasn't defending the song, I was trying to get you to point out what was racist about it. And you never did manage that. Did you? You fell flat on your face like you did just now trying to put words in people's mouths.



mnottertail -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 5:17:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bigjb62

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Site? Do you perhaps mean a cite?
And honestly, all you need is a passing knowledge of modern world history to know that is the case.
What's more, where's your cite for your claim? After all just because you say it isn't doesn't make that true.


Yes I did mean cite. And something made up does not pass as modern history as it's still just made up garbage.

It wasn't me who claimed that several religions try force their beliefs on everyone else and I asked which ones besides Islam that did that. I then asked for proof that the religions listed actually did that.

So how does that turn into me having to prove that those religions don't do it. I didn't make a claim about religions that had them doing something that there was no proof of in the first place.

And then you jump on the bandwagon without adding anything except to repeat the same bullshit without any proof either.



nutsucker 'religious freedom' laws in the US come immediately to mind.



blnymph -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 10:20:01 AM)

I ll never understand the fetish of politicians' religiosity before I see some proof that some affiliation or degree of devotion qualifies for doing a better job as a politician.

Those who tried to emphasise their religiosity over the last decades were rather a failure in their jobs ...



WhoreMods -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 10:55:47 AM)

Yep indeedy. I'm getting a bit tired of having to keep pointing this out for rightards and them ignoring it, but:

Sadiq Khan's election campaign avoided religion as an issue: the talk about that was more down to Zac Goldsmith.
Khan appears to speak more for the majority of sane moslems who live in the western world rather than the middle east because they don't like the look of the fourteenth century.
London is one of the more pro-integration cities in Britain.
But the Conservatives don't like him because electing Asians might lead to more moslems getting into politics, and they'd rather Baroness Warsi was the only one they have to deal with.



bigjb62 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 11:41:31 AM)

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Christianity: Trying to get creationism taught in schools.


Why not since Islam is taught in our schools.

Islamic Indoctrination in Public Schools Is 'Nationwide Epidemic

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trying to limit access to birth control


How does trying to stop women from murdering babies become only religious thing?


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How about the Christian inspired anti-gay laws popping up in Africa?


From Wikipedia:

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The Act was introduced as a private member's bill by Member of Parliament (MP) David Bahati on 14 October 2009. A special motion to introduce the bill was passed a month after a two-day conference was held in which three Christians from the United States asserted that homosexuality is a direct threat to the cohesion of African families.


So 3 unnamed people that may or may not actually exist or even be Christians is a religion?


From Wikipedia:

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According to a reporter in Africa, "Africans see homosexuality as being both un-African and un-Christian".[19] Thirty-eight of 53 African nations criminalise homosexuality in some way.[13] A 2013 poll found that the overwhelming majority of Ugandans disapproved of homosexuality.


Sounds to me that the Africans are against homosexuality and also happen to agree with some religions views.
The reality is no religion is responsible for the law. It's the African people that approve of the law and just because some of the Churches support the bill doesn't equate to having religion being forced on them.

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Judaism: The Shas party in Israel, which "advocates a state run according to Halakha, the Jewish religious law"


I didn't see anything in your link the said they were trying to force anything on anybody.

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Buddhism: The extremist Buddhist movement in Myanmar and elsewhere.


A religion fighting back against Muslims! I call that progress.

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Saffron terror is a neologism used to describe acts of violence motivated by Hindu nationalism. The acts are allegedly perpetrated by members, or alleged members of Hindu nationalist organizations Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and Abhinav Bharat.[1][2] However, in some cases the motivation for the acts has not been clearly determined,[3] and in others it has been determined to be unrelated to Hindu nationalism.[4][5] The term comes from the symbolic use made of the saffron colour by the Hindu nationalist organisations.


What I get from what's on Wikipedia is a clusterfuck and it's difficult if not impossible to determine if Saffron is a religion or a terrorist group or just a group trying to see justice served in a really bad political situation.


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The Khalistan movement is a nationalist[4] political liberation movement, which seeks to create a separate country called Khalistān


I think that's pretty self explanatory.







mnottertail -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 12:02:03 PM)

Uh, no. no islam is being taught in schools no matter what the jesus killers and pedophiles say.
And women dont kill babies.




bounty44 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 12:30:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
Christianity: Trying to get creationism taught in schools,


creationism is not "Christian."

if you start with the premise that there is a creator, then natural science can be reflective of that.

otherwise, youre starting from the premise that there is no god and well, most of the world just doesn't buy that...nor that we just sprang out of the primordial soup and evolved through genetic defects over billions of years.



blnymph -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 12:53:10 PM)

oh I d say a good big part of the world does and feels fine with it

and can acknowledge Genesis for a good book of poetry and literature but not a book of natural science

nonetheless it is a shame, if not irresponsibility, some enforce their children being taught humbug - what a waste of time and money, and a disadvantage for children



WhoreMods -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 1:43:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
creationism is not "Christian."

So which other religion with a creation myth spends a lot of time demanding that creationism gets equal time to the theory of evolution in your country's school system, then?



bounty44 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 1:58:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick
Christianity: Trying to get creationism taught in schools,


creationism is not "Christian."

if you start with the premise that there is a creator, then natural science can be reflective of that.

otherwise, youre starting from the premise that there is no god and well, most of the world just doesn't buy that...nor that we just sprang out of the primordial soup and evolved through genetic defects over billions of years.


[image]http://www.pewforum.org/files/2012/07/evolution.gif[/image]

by contrast then, the remaining percentages can be attributed to "creationism" or "I don't know."

you'll notice only half the US believes in evolution, and given that the majority, or close to the majority of the worlds population are Christian and muslim, a significant population of the world do not believe in evolution either.

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/02/04/religious-differences-on-the-question-of-evolution/

from 2009 Pew Research in the US:

31% believe in young earth creationism, 22% believe in a combination of evolution/creation. only 32% believe in atheistic evolution.

2014 Gallup poll

among regular church goers:

69% believe in a young earth creationism, and 24% in a combination. only 1% hold to evolution.

2007 gallup poll and 2005 Pew Research Center poll

68% of republicans do not believe in evolution, and 60% believe in creationism

as you might imagine, the numbers are reversed on the democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution

in the US, only 20% of people think that evolution alone should be taught in schools.

16% believe only creationism should be taught.

the remaining percentages are made up of some combination of having them both taught.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism

in any event---there is nothing factual about evolution, it is a theory mingled with a very large degree of faith.

[image]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Truth_fish.jpg[/image]

also--jesus believed in genesis and such that it can be understood in this regard, was a creationist.

matthew 19:4-6, mark 10:6-9, matthew 24:37-39, and luke 17:26-27

meanwhile, i'll keep my eyes peeled for those transitional species...



PeonForHer -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 2:08:43 PM)

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Islamic Indoctrination in Public Schools Is 'Nationwide Epidemic
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That's possibly the most frothing, gibbering, deranged and crazed link any lunatic American right winger has posted on this forum that I've ever seen, Big Job. Which, by thunder, considering the ongoing and tirelessly-vigorous competition, is saying something indeed.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 2:22:39 PM)

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creationism is not "Christian."

Oh bullshit.
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otherwise, youre starting from the premise that there is no god

Nope, sorry, but the lack of a creator does not necessarily mean a lack of a god. Buddhism, for example, rejects the idea of a creator. You are being hampered by your cultural baggage.
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nor that we just sprang out of the primordial soup and evolved through genetic defects over billions of years.

Actually I am pretty sure that most people accept that as the process through which we came about.



ThatDizzyChick -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 2:30:38 PM)

So a survey of some 36,000 people in the US is supposed to somehow be representative of the opinions of people the world over?



ThatDizzyChick -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/14/2016 2:32:45 PM)

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meanwhile, i'll keep my eyes peeled for those transitional species...

Glad to help you out...
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/lines_03
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils



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