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mnottertail -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 2:24:23 PM)
I indulge because I am amused at the miasmas. Particularly the parasite thing, I think the monkeys are throwing shit there. Ad hominem, what does that mean? LOL.

Awareness -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 2:27:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR This thread has turned into a Turing test. I figured Peon for a feminist bot long ago.

bounty44 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 2:31:42 PM)
right---and (aylee's point aside for a moment) each one of those embryos is a life of whatever species is presented there....a tortoise life, a chicken life, a human life...

bounty44 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 2:53:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph Thou shalt not kill - plain and simple Ex 20,13 לֹ֥֖א תִּֿרְצָֽ֖ח׃ ס same in Septuaginta or Vulgata allows no exceptions, absolutely nothing "justifiable" ... no exceptions for Iran, China, Belarus or the USA there But when you go back to the original text, it says commit murder, your research doesn't go back far enough. And you need to check with a Jewish friend, if you have one, the Torah says murder, and in case you are unaware that is the original form of the Ten Commandments. not only that but the old testament has a number of of instances of god commanding stoning for certain offenses: lev 20:2, 24:14, deut 13:10, 17:5, and 22:22 for instance.

PeonForHer -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 3:16:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR This thread has turned into a Turing test. I figured Peon for a feminist bot long ago. Gawd, Awareness, don't be such a pansy. You can insult me directly - you'll probably survive the result.

PeonForHer -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 3:35:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph I wish all those zealous anti-abortionists would fight death penalty with at least the same energy because there can be absolutely NO doubt about a human life murdered legally btw there is no more death penalty in the UK and it didn't need a Muslim Lord mayor of London for that One of the things that a state can do / gets to do is kill people. Unless they've not been born yet, because that would just be wrong. [8\|] I've vaguely assumed that the difference between certain righties' love and unbounded warmth for the unborn, versus their passionate support for state-sanctioned killing of criminals, was down to 'original sin'. That is, the foetus hasn't done anything sinful yet, so its life is sacrosanct. Once born, it's already a sinner (or something like that). But note the 'vaguely' above: I've never actually had that particular puzzle explained to me by someone who is both anti-abortion and pro capital punishment. Law is not based on original sin, otherwise, by your logic, anyone can be legally killed at any time. The unborn have done nothing to earn a death penalty. For there to be any substance in your position, the death penalty would have to be adminsitred randomly as everyone would be equally guilty. Instead, in the West, the death penalty is reserved for those who have committed the most horrible crimes, and not always then. Now if we were talking about ISIS throwing people off rooftops for being gay you would have a point. It's not my theory and I wasn't talking about the law. I was talking about the root of some instinct that holds the life of all unborn foetus, but doesn't do the same for all adults. (Children, it seems, come somewhere in between - though, even as newborn babies, there seems to be a large swathe of feeling amongst certain US rightwingers that, the moment they've been born, their lives are no longer sacrosanct. Not that it's now OK to execute babies, of course - but I'd expect to see a lot more policies that show generosity to mothers from right wingers, otherwise.) If you're anti-abortion but pro-capital punishment, and can explain what looks like a contradiction to me, then I'm all ears.

Aylee -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 4:10:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer If you're anti-abortion but pro-capital punishment, and can explain what looks like a contradiction to me, then I'm all ears. Using that same rhetorical devise I could ask you why you can be pro induced abortion and anti capital punishment? Of course you are going to tell me that: "A murderer is a human being; a fetus is merely a parasitic collection of cells." Apparently your belief is that if you support the right to life for that unborn collection of cells, you must also support the right to life for that vile child killer there on death row? To me, these are not tied together. However, your claim is that they must be?

BamaD -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 4:25:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods In fact, it's the legal term for the unlawful killing of a human being. I think what's burning a few anuses in this thread is that this legal protection isn't extended to people under construction. Why they claim to give a fuck is beyond me, as the blacket refusal to even offer suggestions as to what they'd do to provide unwanted kids who'd otherwise be terminated prebirth with a life worth living if their mothers are forced to carry them to term suggests that they'd be perfectly happy to see the unwanted newborns thrown into the hospital incinerator, so long as the specialist who's had their hand up the mother to extract it is an obstretician rather than an abortionist and they've wasted nine months of the mother's life first. I find the fact that these people are seriously trying to draw moral equations between the death penalty and abortion hilarious, given their utter indifference to children living in poverty. Actually it is the pro abortion people who brought the comparison into play.

bounty44 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 5:24:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods In fact, it's the legal term for the unlawful killing of a human being. I think what's burning a few anuses in this thread is that this legal protection isn't extended to people under construction. Why they claim to give a fuck is beyond me, as the blacket refusal to even offer suggestions as to what they'd do to provide unwanted kids who'd otherwise be terminated prebirth with a life worth living if their mothers are forced to carry them to term suggests that they'd be perfectly happy to see the unwanted newborns thrown into the hospital incinerator, so long as the specialist who's had their hand up the mother to extract it is an obstretician rather than an abortionist and they've wasted nine months of the mother's life first. I find the fact that these people are seriously trying to draw moral equations between the death penalty and abortion hilarious, given their utter indifference to children living in poverty. Actually it is the pro abortion people who brought the comparison into play. and to chime in also to whoremods---except that "these people" don't have an "utter indifference to children living in poverty."

Greta75 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 5:28:28 PM)
FR End of the day, a fetus is just a potential life. Just like a sperm. I know Bounty has quoted some stuffs that said when is it officially considered a life. But seriously...., are we judging this simply on how it looks like? I feel like the pictures are just saying, because it looks like a baby, so it is a human. Just base on physical appearance? Every sperm is a potential life. Every fetus is a potential life. To me it's the same thing. Men cum and kill millions of life everyday. I mean, if you really think about it, think about sperm banks. Every sperm is a potential life. For me, it's not murder until it's born. As long as it's still not arrived physically out of the stomach, it's not murder, it's up to the host's Choice whether to give it life or not! End of the day, as a woman, it's my body. I can CHOOSE to have something in my body, (and note that I will NEED men's co-operation as I need his sperm to create life, so he has the choice to refuse to participate IF his against abortion) and I can choose to get rid of it, because it's my body. That sperm has a life BECAUSE I chose to give it it's life. It's our biological system, it's the way we work. It's our gift. We can churn out babies if we want, and if we don't want it, it's gone. If men got a problem with this. Go for test tube babies. They have zero rights or say over what we do with our bodies and the things that naturally occur inside our bodies. They should do their part in not donating their sperm into our bodies, so we can't create babies if they got a problem with what we are gonna do with it. Because once it's in our bodies, it's OUR body, OUR choice! Rather than making abortion illegal, how about going after the sperm donor who inserted his sperm into the woman's body to cause her to have an unwanted intrusion in her body? I tell ya, if one wants to make abortion illegal, the men who shot his load inside her better be prosecuted as well, if he wants a say on what happens to the baby he has created with his sperm, then he better get in trouble for being totally irresponsible for putting his sperm into a host who does not want a baby! His 101% responsible for an unwanted life being formed! His sperm was the potential life. Without his sperm, there would have been no baby, no life. To deny sperm is a potential life is absolutely ridiculous! I suggest jail term. I can bet if you prosecute men for putting their sperms into hosts who does not want babies, you don't even have to ban abortion. Unwanted babies will become non-existence. As men will be soooo careful not allowing his sperm to get inside women's body. No Sperm, no babies! No unwanted babies. Abortion becomes non-existence. It all starts with that sperm. My solution is the best. And as I said, let's stop that double death thingy with pregnant women. Serves no purpose. Murder is murder. I think this is due to countries with no death penalty for murder. What is the point of the double death thingy? And if somebody causes a woman to miscarry intentionally, that's assault!

bigjb62 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 6:23:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods In fact, it's the legal term for the unlawful killing of a human being. I think what's burning a few anuses in this thread is that this legal protection isn't extended to people under construction. Why they claim to give a fuck is beyond me, as the blacket refusal to even offer suggestions as to what they'd do to provide unwanted kids who'd otherwise be terminated prebirth with a life worth living if their mothers are forced to carry them to term suggests that they'd be perfectly happy to see the unwanted newborns thrown into the hospital incinerator, so long as the specialist who's had their hand up the mother to extract it is an obstretician rather than an abortionist and they've wasted nine months of the mother's life first. I find the fact that these people are seriously trying to draw moral equations between the death penalty and abortion hilarious, given their utter indifference to children living in poverty. Actually it is the pro abortion people who brought the comparison into play. and to chime in also to whoremods---except that "these people" don't have an "utter indifference to children living in poverty." I grew up in poverty and despite the fact that it wasn't an easy life I wouldn't have wanted to be an aborted (murdered) baby and anyone who thinks an unborn child is better off dead because they might live an impoverished life is a fool.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 6:25:32 PM)
quote: Actually it is the pro abortion people who brought the comparison into play. Actually it was just one of them. Edit: Nope, I was wrong, sorry.

Greta75 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 6:30:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bigjb62 I grew up in poverty and despite the fact that it wasn't an easy life I wouldn't have wanted to be an aborted (murdered) baby and anyone who thinks an unborn child is better off dead because they might live an impoverished life is a fool. I am sure you never lived it to the severity like African kids or south east asian kids. Where they are terribly malnutritioned, homeless and begging on the streets. Some with limbs amputated to look more pitiful to get more money. I would say they all should've been aborted to spare them such a life. Where are all the huge availability of adoptive parents for them?

dcnovice -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 6:38:00 PM)
FR Antiabortion zealots, particularly fellow males, often bring to mind Jesus' description of the Pharisees: "They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on the shoulders of others; but they themselves are unwilling to lift a finger to move them" (Mt 23:4).

bounty44 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 6:40:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 End of the day, a fetus is just a potential life. Just like a sperm. I know Bounty has quoted some stuffs that said when is it officially considered a life. But seriously...., are we judging this simply on how it looks like? I feel like the pictures are just saying, because it looks like a baby, so it is a human. Just base on physical appearance? Every sperm is a potential life. Every fetus is a potential life. To me it's the same thing. Men cum and kill millions of life everyday. greta, we've been through the geographical location argument---baby inside, baby outside---its still the same baby. how is it that inside the womb its a "potential life" and outside the womb its a life?? if its not alive in all the ways we understand life when its in the womb, then what is it? and no, a sperm cell is not a "potential life"---it is a cell which carries the genetic code that when joined with an egg cell, gives rise to life. it is a necessary step for the genesis of life, but it itself does not evolve or develop into life.

Greta75 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 6:44:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 and no, a sperm cell is not a "potential life"---it is a cell which carries the genetic code that when joined with an egg cell, gives rise to life. it is a necessary step for the genesis of life, but it itself does not evolve or develop into life. And I have explained a sperm is TOTALLY a potential life. Without a sperm, there is no baby! Period! It's impossible to have a baby without a sperm. THAT's a potential life. Every sperm in a sperm bank is gonna turn into a baby when utilized. It's just morphing. You are just judging it as a baby when it looks like a baby. Men just don't wanna admit it because they wanna say abortion is murder, when wanking is murder too. So when they do it, it's fine. WE do it, it's murder! I mean, sperms actually can swim towards the egg. It's kinda alive! They are living things ya know! They are like a caterpillar that needs to go into a cocoon (an egg), to form a butterfly (start looking like a baby).

bounty44 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 6:51:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice FR Antiabortion zealots, particularly fellow males, often bring to mind Jesus' description of the Pharisees: "They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on the shoulders of others; but they themselves are unwilling to lift a finger to move them" (Mt 23:4). youre possibly taking an overly broad view of that quote, but that aside and allowing it to stand for sake of argument... pro-life men are not, on the whole, moral or practical equivalents of the Pharisees. sooo.... but even then---exactly what burdens are men putting on who, and not lifting a finger to help them? and one wonders about your use of the word "zealot", which though not in all instances, at least in some, carries the connotation of "fanatic." you want to suggest that people working (in whatever capacity) to prevent unborn babies from being killed are fanatics?

dcnovice -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 6:55:08 PM)
quote: baby inside, baby outside---its still the same baby. Inside the womb, the fetus is totally dependent on its mother and, at least until a certain point, incapable of surviving anywhere else. Outside the womb, the baby breathes his or her own oxygen and is no longer dependent on an individual woman's womb. If Mom is unable to care for the child, he or she can be placed into the arms of someone else and/or an incubator if needed. And anyone, of either sex, can bottle-feed the baby.

BamaD -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 6:55:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph I wish all those zealous anti-abortionists would fight death penalty with at least the same energy because there can be absolutely NO doubt about a human life murdered legally btw there is no more death penalty in the UK and it didn't need a Muslim Lord mayor of London for that One of the things that a state can do / gets to do is kill people. Unless they've not been born yet, because that would just be wrong. [8\|] I've vaguely assumed that the difference between certain righties' love and unbounded warmth for the unborn, versus their passionate support for state-sanctioned killing of criminals, was down to 'original sin'. That is, the foetus hasn't done anything sinful yet, so its life is sacrosanct. Once born, it's already a sinner (or something like that). But note the 'vaguely' above: I've never actually had that particular puzzle explained to me by someone who is both anti-abortion and pro capital punishment. Law is not based on original sin, otherwise, by your logic, anyone can be legally killed at any time. The unborn have done nothing to earn a death penalty. For there to be any substance in your position, the death penalty would have to be adminsitred randomly as everyone would be equally guilty. Instead, in the West, the death penalty is reserved for those who have committed the most horrible crimes, and not always then. Now if we were talking about ISIS throwing people off rooftops for being gay you would have a point. It's not my theory and I wasn't talking about the law. I was talking about the root of some instinct that holds the life of all unborn foetus, but doesn't do the same for all adults. (Children, it seems, come somewhere in between - though, even as newborn babies, there seems to be a large swathe of feeling amongst certain US rightwingers that, the moment they've been born, their lives are no longer sacrosanct. Not that it's now OK to execute babies, of course - but I'd expect to see a lot more policies that show generosity to mothers from right wingers, otherwise.) If you're anti-abortion but pro-capital punishment, and can explain what looks like a contradiction to me, then I'm all ears. I have. I will make this as simple as possible. The unborn have done nothing to warrent death. The murderer has.

Greta75 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/19/2016 6:55:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 you want to suggest that people working (in whatever capacity) to prevent unborn babies from being killed are fanatics? I find it extremely irresponsible for people who do not want to take personal responsibility in taking care of that unborn baby, to block it from being killed. Who-ever wants it alive better personally take care of it! I think their efforts would be more useful is making sure that those who didn't abort, and abandon their child, they should focus their efforts on making such every life that makes it is gonna be okay.

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