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Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/6/2016 1:48:14 PM   
MasterDoc1


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Status: offline 		For those of you who don't know; the recent triumph of Leicester City in the top British soccer league was a tremendous upset. Bookies were giving 5,000:1 (!) odds against that squad yet they won.

I've been reading the thread Clinton vs Trump: 2016 and noting how unhappy the vast majority are with that choice. I don't blame them .
The OP put it well:
One is a Wall Street stooge, the other racist and misogynist; either will get more American troops killed in the Middle East. There is no lesser of two evils here. What to do other than to withhold my vote?

MNottertail advocated "write-in" (accomplishing what?).
BamaD describes Trump as the second worst of the 20 people who ran for president yes seems to be willing to settle for him.
MrRodgers says: They both will play ball, they will BOTH be sufficiently or more militaristic then necessary, they both will continue the surveillance society, the drone war, the ME sorties, throwing ever more billion$ at the pentagon and corporate welfare...nothing will change (emphasis added) and AMEN to that!
DesideriScuri responds to the OP with "Which one is which".
Blank101 says:Our current election process and politics has me completely hopeless for my future. I think its going to be quite a while before we start seeing positive change.
Ifmaz says: Vote for a third party and break the two-party system. Yet gives no name or no list of choices.
WinsomeDefiance wants to waste her vote by writing in someone.
LadyPact says: "Either way, we are probably all screwed"

I could go on and on; the common feature is that VERY few are in any way pleased with either candidate!

Add to that the following from Phydeaux: Do you know how hard it is to qualify for the ballot in each state?
Thatdizzychick states: And did you realize that it is the two major parties that decide what is needed to qualify, and that the rules are much, MUCH easier for those two parties?

Now for the (long postponed) point: suppose your choice was between death by poison or death by hanging. As they lead you all to your death you plead for your life (or in this case the life of your country) by shouting "Isn't there ANY another choice" to which they answer "Yes, but it is a 5,000 to 1 shot?"

"I'll take it!", you yell!

The tremendous work in overcoming the duopoly and getting on the ballot is already done; he will likely appear on EVERY state's ballot. ANY American could vote for him!
He was a successful Governor for two terms.
Perhaps you like some of his positions but not all. But at least he is both sane and honest.
If you really view the choice of Clinton vs Trump as a horrific one (as do I) , isn't it worth betting on the long shot? Especially since the ONLY reason he couldn't win is BECAUSE he is viewed as a 5,000 to 1 shot?

https://garyjohnson2016.com/







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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/6/2016 2:08:11 PM   
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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/6/2016 2:09:58 PM   
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Gloria Leicesterfan.

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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/6/2016 2:09:59 PM   
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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/6/2016 2:11:08 PM   
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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/6/2016 6:05:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Ron, did you know that when the liberals use those statistics, they include the pensions of retirees, who WORKED for that money ? I bet your ass you didn't know that. The thing is many peoppe like to retire in the south. Ever hear of someone going up north to retire ?

See, since federal income taxes are included in that figure, they say that logically so should federal, meaning SS pensions should be also included. You are not getting a true figure on what the state itself pays in taxes and what they get back in federal highway funds for example.

This shit about red states being supported by blue states is total fucking bullshit.

Look it up. You CANNOT refute my statement with any sources out there. Go ahead and try.

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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/6/2016 6:16:26 PM   
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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/6/2016 6:17:03 PM   
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People with common sense want Sanders. The party does not. The democrat party will do to Sanders what the republican party did to Ron Paul.

There are still a few more results to see to know if Sanders can make it. Clinton is a joke, and it ain't funny. Trump, well, he isn't bought and paid for yet but if he gets the chair they will take him into that little room with the film projector and teach him who really is boss.

We are to the point in this country where I want to know their running mates, all of them, because they are so likely to be assassinated, possibly by a VA doctor. Just like Hitler, they kept him hopped up on drugs all the time. And Reagan, he wasn't that senile, but you see his list of prescriptions is doctor patient privilege. Little bit too much blood pressure meds and you would be goofy too.

And Trump is better than a Bush, or Cruz who isn't even eligible to run anyway but everyone forgot that, and if you lived in Ohio you would never vote for Kasich. Just like Romney did not take his home state. The economy here is like Detroit or Chicago. Even if you want to work there is noting out there. So you take an under the table job and get medicaid and food stamps.

I saw a job advertised, must pass background check and drug screen. It pays $9.52 an hour, fuck you.

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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/6/2016 6:19:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Do you know that you dont know anything at all, it is federal taxes paid in and federal back, not including social security, and social security should not be included, its fucking paid for.


And you know this how ?

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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/6/2016 7:51:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		With all due respect Doc, Leicester City plays soccer which is a team sport and won with hustle, determination and a display of talent. It is truly unfortunate that one simply can't win the presidency the same way.

Plus, while I view T8'r problems here as simply not being able to tell us what he knows (or thinks) because of his seemingly innate inability to fully articulate his ideas, he is correct on this point...if Mr. Johnson was elected, he too would be taken into that 'room and be shown the movie' (by the CFR) I say of the future and upon his departure...would also play ball. I'll say this again for clarity:

IT does NOT matter, WHO is elected POUS !! THE WILL PLAY BALL...or else !! All hail Gary Johnson, may his very brave political efforts...rest in peace.

The power behind the throne, plays the long game. Two term dems like Clinton and Obama are part of the long game. Two term repubs like Reagan (after only 69 days when he was shot of course) and GWB are very helpful in being part of the short game i.e., they get a lot more done in the American march to the 4TH Reich. Once the 4TH Reich is fully in place, say maybe 2060 give or take, then you will see a great acceleration of events and yes...all around the world. Well ok, maybe a couple of you here are young enough to see it.

Oh and why do I skip Bush I ? I mean to tell you people, no better man could have followed Reagan than he. He was THE poster boy of the power behind the throne and the globalist NWO crowd. He needed no meetings or instructions at all. I mean think about it. Here's man who went right from Yale to the CIA, never worked a day in his life in private industry, became Dir. of the CIA and then POUS. A clearer and more articulated path to power could not been written in a novel. So what happens, Perot comes in and Clinton comes in and they just change gears. Yet another whore for our...pleasure.

But hey, I am going to be cremated. So unlike so many of the middle 21ST century capitalist proletariat, you will not be able to...spit on my grave OR will I be Soylent green. Ask the young if they enjoy old green protein, made from the old freshly dead. They had better get a taste for it.

Note to FDA, please keep Soylent safe, and limit the RDA because while one of mankind's greatest, historical, social achievements was slavery over cannibalism, once again kinkroids, understanding that soon they'd run out of easy food, even the literal dead meat that will enter the human diet of the future...needs to be regulated so as to keep the slaves of the future fed and they remain healthy enough to...pick that cotton. If you get my drift.

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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/6/2016 11:26:14 PM   
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And you know this how ?

At a guess I would say he bases his opinion on the content of your posts.

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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/7/2016 8:23:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Do you know that you dont know anything at all, it is federal taxes paid in and federal back, not including social security, and social security should not be included, its fucking paid for.


And you know this how ?

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because I read directions.

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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/7/2016 8:35:04 AM   
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With all due respect Doc, Leicester City plays soccer which is a team sport and won with hustle, determination and a display of talent. It is truly unfortunate that one simply can't win the presidency the same way.

Plus, while I view T8'r problems here as simply not being able to tell us what he knows (or thinks) because of his seemingly innate inability to fully articulate his ideas, he is

/snip


Over the years I have gotten the idea that I assume too much knowledge on the part of the reader. Things I consider common knowledge are not all that common I guess.

Like if I mention the Monsanto protection law, how many here know what I am talking about and how many would have to Google it, or even make me post a link ? If I mention parts of USC, UCC or Trading With The Enemy Act I can understand people not knowing shit about it. But things that should be common knowledge are not, like common sense, not so common anymore. Some people do not even know if they are leasing or buying their car, let alone the difference between a certificate of title and a manufacturer statement of origin.

I assume too much but you know I can only type so much. Eyestrain is bad. Really bad. And really, people posting about politics should know law, and real history, like WHY things happened. You know I cannot find one instance since WW2 where the US didn't create its own problems with another country. Can you ? Name any country that goes against the US and I can find the real reason for it. Even Pearl Harbor, the US committed the first act of war. They decided to escalate it, which was stupid, but those facts remain. And nobody knows, they think it was just out of the blue.

I assume too much, maybe I should just shut the fuck up. Sometimes it is like trying to teach calculus to people who can't add and subtract.

And about that little room, I know that is folklore and there is no proof. It is also a bit of a metaphor. That little room is wherever he goes for four years. He is told. His advisors will tell him what to do, but more importantly what not to do. Like "If you do that, they will ...". And usually they are right. And the fact is, if a President wanted to regulate banks by EO, or cut off aid to certain countries, he would be joining JFK. And congress will never put anything on his desk the lobbyists don't approve. (or actually write)

I am done, do with the planet what you want. I no longer eat right, I drink way too much now and don't even get drunk. I stopped cigarettes buy now smoke enough other to make up for it. In short, I want out. I am going to enjoy every minute of it. I will not go to a doctor ever again except for like a broken bone or something like that. I am done. This world is not like it used to be and there is no going back. I have wracked my brain to even think of a solution, whether I can apply it or not, and come up short.

I can't stand people, I don't go to bars anymore. I can't stand new music, even hillbilly music and that's bad, I can't stand any of the new TV shows or movies. So you all take this planet and do whatever you want with it.

But I do reserve the right to comment on it. :-)

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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/7/2016 9:38:56 AM   
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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/7/2016 11:42:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		If my choices were: Gary Johnson, Donald Trump, or Hillary Clinton; I still take Clinton. Given then choice between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, I'd take Sanders.

If all else fails, I'll just vote Barrack Obama. Imagine if 60+ million people in all the states voted for Barrack Obama? Would be a loophole in the 22nd, since he wasn't running for a consecutive 3rd term. Which would open a court battle that would rise up to the US Supreme Court. The 4 conservatives would say "no, he can not", and the 4 liberals stating "yes he could be a president under these circumstances". Since it is a tie, it would revert to the next lower court: Appellate Court of D.C. What is amusing about that? Pres. Obama placed the judges there; so they would rule in his favor.

So we get President Obama, a known quantity and very classy guy in the White House for another four years.

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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/7/2016 11:54:57 AM   
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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/7/2016 1:54:16 PM   
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Would be a loophole in the 22nd, since he wasn't running for a consecutive 3rd term.

Nope. Read the amendment before you comment on it.

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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/7/2016 3:37:47 PM   
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If my choices were: Gary Johnson, Donald Trump, or Hillary Clinton; I still take Clinton. Given then choice between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, I'd take Sanders.
If all else fails, I'll just vote Barrack Obama. Imagine if 60+ million people in all the states voted for Barrack Obama? Would be a loophole in the 22nd, since he wasn't running for a consecutive 3rd term. Which would open a court battle that would rise up to the US Supreme Court. The 4 conservatives would say "no, he can not", and the 4 liberals stating "yes he could be a president under these circumstances". Since it is a tie, it would revert to the next lower court: Appellate Court of D.C. What is amusing about that? Pres. Obama placed the judges there; so they would rule in his favor.
So we get President Obama, a known quantity and very classy guy in the White House for another four years.


Since the amendment specifically states that no person can be elected..., and not no person can run for... your hypothetical SCOTUS result won't happen.


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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/9/2016 11:44:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Back to the subject, I'm still looking to know: if (apparently in the minds of many) Trump vs Hillary is a choice of two terrible candidates, why not vote for an alternative (assuming you intend to vote).

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RE: Leicester City and Trump vs Clinton: The Solution - 5/10/2016 12:46:46 AM   
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I've stated why I find it difficult to vote for an alternative. All I'll say is that we're in dire need of election reform, Doc.

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