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Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/9/2016 10:43:35 PM

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Ending Tax Break for Ultrawealthy May Not Take Act of Congress.

Let's hope we get a little more 'legacy' out of these last few months of this administration.

Not only this but these guys making so-called 'carried interest' are in deeper water than they were in 2008. We currently have such values that millions a year are going to these managers et all, taxed at 1/2 what the great working stiff pays and all while the derivatives market, securities market and the swaps sold to hedge their bets, are all bigger and putting the taxpayers at even a greater risk...than in 2008.

Complain all you want but we are in for a TARP II, and we are all Bush was, Obama is and whoever comes next...owned by wall street.

Treasury could this year, end this immorality but don't hold your breath. HERE

There should be a bi-partisan and yes, 'conservative' move to end this ridiculousness.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/9/2016 11:52:00 PM

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There should be a bi-partisan and yes, 'conservative' move to end this ridiculousness.

Indeed there should be, but there won't.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 12:28:53 AM

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It's sad how we've entered a time where certain wealthy people can now be classified as 'ultrawealthy'.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 7:16:27 AM

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It's sad how we've entered a time where certain wealthy people can now be classified as 'ultrawealthy'.

Well not only that even though that's highly subjective but pay federal tax at only 1/2 the rate their highly paid staff pays.

The very idea that the manager of a partnership whose job is really nothing that much different than any other desk job there and who has no skin in the game, can create such a tax category right out of thin air...is immoral. I regard something called 'capital gains' as the same...immoral, prima facie.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 7:49:16 AM

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I think Reagan had all of the non partisan Conservatives rounded up and dealt with in 1980, because they threatened to vote Democrat rather than Republican.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 8:43:46 AM

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The problem is I don't want more money going to the government.
Government is the problem.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 8:52:39 AM

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Government is the problem.

Tell that to the Somalians, sport.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 8:58:43 AM

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It's sad how we've entered a time where certain wealthy people can now be classified as 'ultrawealthy'.

I think it's sad that we've entered a time where working hard and staying focused to achieve a goal has become almost a crime. Talk about a disincentive to work.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 10:26:53 AM

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It's sad how we've entered a time where certain wealthy people can now be classified as 'ultrawealthy'.

I think it's sad that we've entered a time where working hard and staying focused to achieve a goal has become almost a crime. Talk about a disincentive to work.

Michael

Well there is no crime here. This is only a matter of a concocted special tax category that has no place in our state or federal tax regime.

Plus, I want to know how much harder are [they] working than the person down the hall who can't claim his or her income is from something called 'carried interest'...whatever that is. Furthermore, the incentive to work is in the rewards...not the tax code. That's the original conservative ideology.

Another reason it's so very difficult to find conservatives in Wash. They've all become rent-seekers.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 10:41:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: Blank101

It's sad how we've entered a time where certain wealthy people can now be classified as 'ultrawealthy'.

I think it's sad that we've entered a time where working hard and staying focused to achieve a goal has become almost a crime. Talk about a disincentive to work.

Michael

Well there is no crime here. This is only a matter of a concocted special tax category that has no place in our state or federal tax regime.

Plus, I want to know how much harder are [they] working than the person down the hall who can't claim his or her income is from something called 'carried interest'...whatever that is. Furthermore, the incentive to work is in the rewards...not the tax code. That's the original conservative ideology.

Another reason it's so very difficult to find conservatives in Wash. They've all become rent-seekers.

When a ship would trade in the 1600s, since the captain was crucial to the success of the voyage - both in choosing where to trade, how to get there etc, he was given a percentage of the profits. But only once the cargo was sold.

Hedge managers get paid putatively on the same basis. That said - I am opposed to that basis, since in fact they are customarily paid on a yearly basis and since hedge fund managers are paid regardless of profit or loss (ie, there is no risk) his pay is indistinguishable from wages. The idea of carried interest being extended to hedge fund managers is anathema and ridiculous.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 10:42:51 AM

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Government is the problem.

Tell that to the Somalians, sport.

Thus proving my point.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 10:52:15 AM

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Government is the problem.

Tell that to the Somalians, sport.

Thus proving my point.

A lot of causes have been suggested for the clusterfuck going on in Somalia, but it's news to me that heavy handed governance is one of them, given that most of the trouble has been caused by the Somalian government barely even existing in Mogadishu, let alone any place else in the country.
Got one of your citations for this curious thesis?

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 10:53:37 AM

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Somalia, Nigeria, and so on are libertarian utopias, no government in reality whatsoever.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 10:55:10 AM

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Well, that's I was saying. Do you think his argument is going to be that it was Obama's ZOG forces who trashed the Somalian government's ability to function, and this proves that all governments are bad?

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 10:56:20 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Government is the problem.

Tell that to the Somalians, sport.

Thus proving my point.

A lot of causes have been suggested for the clusterfuck going on in Somalia, but it's news to me that heavy handed governance is one of them, given that most of the trouble has been caused by the Somalian government barely even existing in Mogadishu, let alone any place else in the country.
Got one of your citations for this curious thesis?

Who said anything about Somalia? I was talking about the thousands of uneducated somalis allowed to immigrate here to the states, where they cluster in Minneapolis area. Of which 300-400 have gone to join ISIS.

Thus proving my point. Incompetent government let them in; incompetent government couldn't track if they were radicalized; incompetent government couldn't stop them from leaving; incompetent govrenment won't be able to stop them from returning.

Government is the problem.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 11:01:12 AM

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Oh dear.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 11:01:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Government is the problem.

Tell that to the Somalians, sport.

Thus proving my point.

A lot of causes have been suggested for the clusterfuck going on in Somalia, but it's news to me that heavy handed governance is one of them, given that most of the trouble has been caused by the Somalian government barely even existing in Mogadishu, let alone any place else in the country.
Got one of your citations for this curious thesis?

Who said anything about Somalia? I was talking about the thousands of uneducated somalis allowed to immigrate here to the states, where they cluster in Minneapolis area. Of which 300-400 have gone to join ISIS.

Thus proving my point. Incompetent government let them in; incompetent government couldn't track if they were radicalized; incompetent government couldn't stop them from leaving; incompetent govrenment won't be able to stop them from returning.

Government is the problem.

You're unaware that Somalia hasn't had a functional government (which might provide Somalis with employment, a civil infrastructure or any other reason to stay in the country) since their civil war started in the '90s, then?

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 1:21:57 PM

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I'm aware that you are wrong, and that I thus know more of the situation in Somalia than you do.

For example the rule of warlords; the intervention of the African Union. The intervention of Kenya. Islamicist governments.

Frankly, I don't really care if they don't have a reason to stay in their country. They can go anywhere they like - so long as it isn't here.
We don't need islamic terrorists.
We don't need more unskilled illiterate welfare recipients.

The US does not have a habit nor policy of accepting economic refugees.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 1:23:31 PM

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I'm aware that you are wrong, and that I thus know more of the situation in Somalia than you do.

For example the rule of warlords; the intervention of the African Union. The intervention of Kenya. Islamicist governments.

Frankly, I don't really care if they don't have a reason to stay in their country. They can go anywhere they like - so long as it isn't here.
We don't need islamic terrorists.
We don't need more unskilled illiterate welfare recipients.

The US does not have a habit nor policy of accepting economic refugees.

Really? And there was me thinking your country was founded by people who'd been chased out of Europe.

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RE: Where are the non-partisan conservatives ? - 5/10/2016 1:24:51 PM

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I'm aware that you are wrong, and that I thus know more of the situation in Somalia than you do.

For example the rule of warlords; the intervention of the African Union. The intervention of Kenya. Islamicist governments.

Frankly, I don't really care if they don't have a reason to stay in their country. They can go anywhere they like - so long as it isn't here.
We don't need islamic terrorists.
We don't need more unskilled illiterate welfare recipients.

The US does not have a habit nor policy of accepting economic refugees.

Really? And there was me thinking your country was founded by people who'd been chased out of Europe.

Shrug. Our immigration policy changed a long long time ago. I suggest the immigration reform act of 1965, for example. Update your facts.

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