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Greta75 -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/16/2016 2:06:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
But it will become a Muslim or Jewish country over my dead fucking body.

What powers would you have to stop it from happening?




Greta75 -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/16/2016 2:46:50 AM)

FR

BTW, someone mentioned about women being paranoid about being attacked or raped by transgenders or something.

If it's a rapist masquerading as a transgender to get into female bathrooms without looking suspicious, yes that could happen.

Also, I guess it's all back to. How do I know if that person is a genuine and real transgender? Or is it just a pervert in drag? Using it as an excuse to perv in female bathrooms? Also, with smart phones these days, upskirt in bathrooms are typically, done by men because of their own fetishes.

Beyond female bathrooms, how about female changing rooms in departmental stores?

And anyway, as I said, an Asian transgender, many of them are done so well and has the fine bone of a petite female, even in this silly new law of North Carolina. Unless they wanna ID check every single person before entering the bathroom, they won't be able to tell if it's female or male origin anyway.




thishereboi -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/16/2016 3:08:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Look, there's an easy answer to the bathroom issue. Simply mandate three bathrooms. Male, female and LGBT.

That way, the transgender, the lesbians and the gay men who feel oppressed by cis men and women can have their own bathroom wherein everyone will be wonderfully warm and accepting.

Of course, the cost of the retrofit to every office building in the country might be a bit of a hassle - but such is the price of progress.

Oh, dear God. [:-]


Actually I like the idea of 3 bathroom although I would make the third one for families/transgendered/anyone who doesn't want to use the other 2 for whatever reason.

I did kinda get a chuckle out of him putting the lg with the bt in one room. For the past 40 years I have watched the gay community hate on transgendered folk and ban them from their clubs and events. Now that they can use the situation to their advantage all I hear is how those evil republicans are being mean to our poor transgendered family. Funny how they didn't care before and now they do. And then people wonder why I don't jump up and support everything a gay person says.




Wayward5oul -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/16/2016 3:50:58 AM)

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I've worked at several large corporations (publicly traded companies) and none of them have had prayer rooms. I've also never seen a prayer room at a shopping mall nor at an airport.


Same here.




dcnovice -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/16/2016 4:55:36 AM)

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For the past 40 years I have watched the gay community hate on transgendered folk and ban them from their clubs and events.

Well, that's sad.

It's not something I've encountered, but then I'm not a big clubs/events person. Back in the early '90s, I volunteered at a gay-lesbian hotline, and our training covered transgender issues, including a discussion and Q&A with a MtF community member. Everyone seemed to take it in stride. There was a lot of coverage and concern in the local LGBT press when street criminals targeted transgender folks and the police seemed unresponsive. I also remember thoughtful profiles of and interviews with transgender Washingtonians years before the "bathroom bills."

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After pressing OK, I remembered a favorite transgender vignette. In 2001, a new parishioner joined us on the summer retreat at church (Episcopal). A MtF, she shared that she'd been worried about whether she'd truly be welcomed. So she took it to the top, scheduling a meeting with the bishop! The bishop welcomed her warmly, as did we.




WhoreMods -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/16/2016 5:39:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
If it's a rapist masquerading as a transgender to get into female bathrooms without looking suspicious, yes that could happen.

Outside of a Brian DePalma film?




Greta75 -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/16/2016 7:20:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Outside of a Brian DePalma film?

People in my country also laugh at me, when I talk about muslim terrorists escaping dressed in full hijab. And then it really happened. See, our neighbouring countries are muslim countries. So they don't need full face on immigration check points if they are muslim women in full garb.

Our side generally don't bother too, if they are leaving.

So a Muslim terrorist did EXACTLY escape from prison over here, dressed in female Muslim garb and went through immigration perfectly fine, in full hijab over to Malaysia.

The more ridiculous someone think it is. Somebody evil is gonna do it.




thishereboi -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/16/2016 7:37:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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For the past 40 years I have watched the gay community hate on transgendered folk and ban them from their clubs and events.

Well, that's sad.

It's not something I've encountered, but then I'm not a big clubs/events person. Back in the early '90s, I volunteered at a gay-lesbian hotline, and our training covered transgender issues, including a discussion and Q&A with a MtF community member. Everyone seemed to take it in stride. There was a lot of coverage and concern in the local LGBT press when street criminals targeted transgender folks and the police seemed unresponsive. I also remember thoughtful profiles of and interviews with transgender Washingtonians years before the "bathroom bills."

ETA:

After pressing OK, I remembered a favorite transgender vignette. In 2001, a new parishioner joined us on the summer retreat at church (Episcopal). A MtF, she shared that she'd been worried about whether she'd truly be welcomed. So she took it to the top, scheduling a meeting with the bishop! The bishop welcomed her warmly, as did we.



It is sad. One of the first bars I found back in the late 70's turned out to be women only, they hated gay men just as much as the straight ones. And while that attitude became rare, they still didn't want transgendered customers in the bars in the late 2000's. I would hope they have gotten better but I stopped going to the bars for the last 8 or 9 years so I can't say. The Mich womens festival wouldn't allow mtf to attend at all and had a lot of support for the community for it. I even got grief from the bar I went to when I started seeing my first mistress because she also played with guys and was into leather. Which I was told was just an excuse to abuse women. It always amazed me that a group of people who were discriminated against for both their gender and their sexual preference could be so hateful of others for the same reasons.




dcnovice -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/16/2016 7:44:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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I've worked at several large corporations (publicly traded companies) and none of them have had prayer rooms. I've also never seen a prayer room at a shopping mall nor at an airport.


Same here.

Fwiw: http://airportchapels.com/




Greta75 -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/16/2016 7:53:06 AM)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/12/orlando-airport-unveils-250k-muslim-prayer-room/

250k for Muslim prayer room. No problem for transgender toilets next! They can do it!

For once I see something positive an atheist group in the US is doing! Fighting for equality of all religions.

http://college.usatoday.com/2016/04/04/atheists-at-university-of-iowa-protest-creation-of-muslim-prayer-rooms/

Here's an old article from 2007 listing some major banks and companies in the US that provides Muslim prayer rooms.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1817&dat=20071215&id=cIM0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=pacEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3358,7586016&hl=en





dcnovice -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/16/2016 7:53:26 AM)

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It always amazed me that a group of people who were discriminated against for both their gender and their sexual preference could be so hateful of others for the same reasons.

Agreed. You'd hope that folks who've struggled would identify and work with others in the same boat, but alas . . . .




Awareness -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/16/2016 7:55:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
It always amazed me that a group of people who were discriminated against for both their gender and their sexual preference could be so hateful of others for the same reasons.
Which should highlight to you, the fact that discrimination, hate or bigotry is not dictated by race, creed or sexual preference.

Human beings are very similar all over. In many cases, our behaviour is heavily influenced by environment. The Stanford Prison experiment - amongst others - really did highlight the degree to which behaviour is influenced by context.




Termyn8or -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/17/2016 12:43:06 AM)

All behavior is influenced.

T^T




tweakabelle -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/17/2016 2:58:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

All behavior is influenced.

T^T

Yes. It's worth noting that despite tens of thousands of attempts by various scientific disciplines, no one has ever identified a causal link between a biological inheritance eg. genes, and any aspect of human behaviour.

OTOH the environmental basis for many aspects of human behaviour is self evident. Where else could the cause for say, a fetish for high heels, come from but from the environment?




Termyn8or -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/17/2016 6:06:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

All behavior is influenced.

T^T

Yes. It's worth noting that despite tens of thousands of attempts by various scientific disciplines, no one has ever identified a causal link between a biological inheritance eg. genes, and any aspect of human behaviour.

OTOH the environmental basis for many aspects of human behaviour is self evident. Where else could the cause for say, a fetish for high heels, come from but from the environment?


You might want to reconsider that. First of all, I do believe some are predisposed genetically to more than certain race specific diseases. I know you can take a Black kid from the ghetto and raise him in a Jewish home and he is likely to do much better academically, and that if you take an Oriental kid and throw him in to a ghetto household he is not likely to do well in math, and they are known for doing well in math. There may be a difference in their willingness to study, but nurture is more of that than nature.

But then we have an issue that is purely behavioral - sexual preference. My first hand education on that was enlightening. I was working on this guy's house who is Gay and actually he was friends with some friends, so sometimes at the end of the day we might have a few beers. Eventually the conversation came around to that.

Before that I thought being homosexual was a weakness. Maybe not a fatal one but sort of like a lack of willpower. Well in this conversation he explained that he did not choose this, it is just that Women do not turn him on, Men do. I would like to know what kind of environmental differences changed him, also noting the fact that his brothers are not Gay.

Just because they can't prove something does not mean it is not true. Like, OJ walked. They actually have not proven AGW to my satisfaction, but have enough evidence that I will not officially dispute it, and the fact that I know burning stuff makes heat.

But the fact is that I have seen much bad science, mostly influenced by big money. Which is better or worse for you this week, butter or margarine ? Did olestra and like compounds stop leeching the nutrients out of your body when you consume them ? Did aspartame and HFCS all the sudden become healthy ? Is ALL fat still bad and we don't need those nutrients that are fat soluble and not water soluble ? What about carbs ? All these results with people losing weight and becoming more healthy by cutting down the carbs, did they change the "food pyramid" ? And then some of the highest paid asshole engineers in the country have billions of dollars into the F-35 which doesn't fly. Unlike the dodo bird, the sombitch is obsolete before it ever gets off the ground. And governments all over the world, including yours are going to buy a few of these things just to appease the US government and contractors.

So, you think I trust science ? I work on electronics, back when we actually could get prints for this shit there were so many errors it was ridiculous. Sometimes you have to know how to design to see the errors. That was one of my claims to fame, I was building things when I was a teenager. I can see the errors.

I also remember the textbook scandals. That all got swept under the rug. There were so many RIDICULOUS errors in textbooks that the companies who printed them should have been run out on a rail. It was bad. But all the sudden you hear nothing about errors in textbooks. Do they really expect me to believe that they have absolutely and positively fixed all errors in all textbooks ?

I was born in the morning, but not this morning. Everything they say has to jibe with everything I already knew or I question the living shit out of it. And everything I know jibes with everything I know. If it does not, I do not consider it knowledge and thus of course question it.

God's wrath ? Come on with your badass if you exist. Gays in the military, why did you make them ? Why did you make intersexed people ? What kind of fucking god are you ?

Sounds more like an evil entity to me.

T^T




Greta75 -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/17/2016 6:42:41 PM)

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I know you can take a Black kid from the ghetto and raise him in a Jewish home and he is likely to do much better academically, and that if you take an Oriental kid and throw him in to a ghetto household he is not likely to do well in math, and they are known for doing well in math. There may be a difference in their willingness to study, but nurture is more of that than nature.

Raise black kids in an Indian or Chinese environment. I guarantee top grades, we can make them top the 10% grades in the US racially, if they let themselves be raised where their priority is nothing but education excellence! They will have no time for anything but studies. No play at all!

We were just study robots! Indians and Chinese don't churn out robotic genius by genes, but purely because, of their regimen.




Termyn8or -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/17/2016 6:48:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
But it will become a Muslim or Jewish country over my dead fucking body.

What powers would you have to stop it from happening?




They might trip over my corpse.

T^T




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/17/2016 7:11:22 PM)

+10!




littleclip -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/17/2016 8:17:08 PM)

you all know the bathrooms in our homes are gender neutral right




Greta75 -> RE: 9/11 = God's Wrath Over Gender-Neutral Bathrooms (5/17/2016 8:22:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littleclip

you all know the bathrooms in our homes are gender neutral right


But at home, you are with people you know and trust.

In a public toilets, it could be anybody!

I am not comfortable in Unisex bathrooms, although I guess it depends on the lay out.

Like if there are urinals in female toilet right beside the wash basin. And I gotta walk into a toilet seeing men peeing into urinals, because it's unisex.

Please no!!

I already get annoyed at Caucasian guys pulling out their dicks peeing in the forest while we are hiking. I mean Asian guys know how to go hide somewhere and do it in a more private area, but Caucasian guys, is like, just infront of you, pull it out and pee at a tree. They don't care.

It's very uncomfortable. And these are my close friends too. I usually shriek at them and they just laugh like, "What?"

I was like hiking with my bestfriend, and he didn't even choose a super sheltered place! I was like, "WTF! Everyone on the other side can see you!" We are gonna get arrested for flashing! This was in Singapore btw!




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