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LadyPact -> RE: Na members (5/15/2016 6:56:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: QualityFirst quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Unlike the "feelings vrs facts" mantra that some folks would like to perpetuate, addiction IS endorsed by the AMA as a disease in it's own right. I depends. For instance, if you would have me become addicted to you, I would not consider that addiction to be a disease. [;)] Don't even joke about that sh^t. It's not funny.

littleclip -> RE: Na members (5/15/2016 8:56:33 PM)
addiction is a disease and it needs to be addressed.the addiction is not endorsed by the ama just identified. many who are addicted doctor shop to get their fix. or like here in reno nv find a crooked dr to get them their meds.

DesFIP -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 10:35:34 AM)
Nobody in their right mind wants a codependent partner. The fact that some does want this shows them to be unqualified to be a desirable partner and a very low quality partner.

littleladybug -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 10:48:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Unfortunately, the Twelve-Step programs have become embroiled in the rest of the world created by the "feelings matter most" crowd and anyone involved in our lifestyle cannot identify that way because WIITWD is seen as "addict behavior" and counter to "recovery" Are you sure you want to speak about all 12 Step Programs in this way? (Hint: Your generalization is patently false.)

littleladybug -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 10:50:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact OP, there used to be folks who talked openly on these boards about being members on these boards of being members of NA or AA. As you have seen, certain members of these boards made sure they were known to be unwelcome here. How incredibly unfortunate (and pathetic).

DaddySatyr -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 10:59:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Unfortunately, the Twelve-Step programs have become embroiled in the rest of the world created by the "feelings matter most" crowd and anyone involved in our lifestyle cannot identify that way because WIITWD is seen as "addict behavior" and counter to "recovery" Maybe you shouldn't be the arbiter of who gets to be a member here or who doesn't? Michael This is not correct. Unlike the "feelings vrs facts" mantra that some folks would like to perpetuate, addiction IS endorsed by the AMA as a disease in it's own right. Perhaps certain people have forgotten that. ~~~ OP, there used to be folks who talked openly on these boards about being members on these boards of being members of NA or AA. As you have seen, certain members of these boards made sure they were known to be unwelcome here. Most of those who were here prior have gravitated to Fet. There are groups over there like "12 Step Kink" and "BDSM and 12 Step AA and NA" that can be found with a search. (If you need help finding them, I'll try to help you do that.) I would encourage you to seek them out. Unfortunately, I doubt you will find the answer to your query here. Best of luck. May you find the support you seek, elsewhere. /quote So much for "wishing me the best". You just don't stop. You're obsessed, I think. I never said addiction wasn't a disease. NEVER FUCKING SAID IT. What I did say was that generally, there's a belief amongst the "recovery crowd" that BDSM is also a disease (ie; mental illness) which ties in to the disease of addiction. I know because I've mentioned these sorts of things at 12 step social functions (not meetings). I'll ask you, one more time, nicely: please stop misrepresenting my positions. It makes you look like a manipulative person. Manipulative not being a very "dominant" quality.

littleladybug -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 11:37:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I took the OP as a person who was already involved in recovery who wanted to meet someone already in recovery (smart move) that is also into our lifestyle. Hence, my post about why an "addictions board" wouldn't suit their needs. Why, pray tell, is it a "smart move" for someone who is in recovery to get into a relationship with someone who is also in recovery? I mean, aside from your own opinion, is there any merit to this thought?

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 11:45:29 AM)
quote: Why, pray tell, is it a "smart move" for someone who is in recovery to get into a relationship with someone who is also in recovery? Wanting to meet someone does not always mean wanting a relationship with one. It's entirely possible that a person might just want to talk with somebody who is going through the same shit they are.

littleladybug -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 11:48:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: Why, pray tell, is it a "smart move" for someone who is in recovery to get into a relationship with someone who is also in recovery? Wanting to meet someone does not always mean wanting a relationship with one. It's entirely possible that a person might just want to talk with somebody who is going through the same shit they are. Yup, I understand that. Thanks. I took the comment to mean something other than platonically befriending someone who is also in recovery.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 12:17:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littleladybug quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I took the OP as a person who was already involved in recovery who wanted to meet someone already in recovery (smart move) that is also into our lifestyle. Hence, my post about why an "addictions board" wouldn't suit their needs. Why, pray tell, is it a "smart move" for someone who is in recovery to get into a relationship with someone who is also in recovery? I mean, aside from your own opinion, is there any merit to this thought? I see a lot of things never change, but I'll answer this one. One of the first things you're recommended to do in recovery is to "avoid people places and things you used with or at. Get a home group. Make 90 meetings in 90 days. Get a sponsor ..." I'm not suggesting that the OP was looking for a sponsor. I am suggesting that if you want to "avoid people places things ..." it is best (unless someone wishes to become a hermit which is also contraindicated in the fellowship) to meet new people, ostensibly; people who aren't using i.e.; in recovery. Michael

littleladybug -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 12:34:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I see a lot of things never change, but I'll answer this one. Yup, I call bullshit when I see it. quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr One of the first things you're recommended to do in recovery is to "avoid people places and things you used with or at. Get a home group. Make 90 meetings in 90 days. Get a sponsor ..." "In recovery"? Is this a universal 12-step thing? Generally, I have no issues with letting people run their mouths about things that they obviously know nothing about. However, when it comes to recovery, that's where my line is drawn. You are speaking out of your ass if you honestly believe that what you have said applies to "12 step programs". I do love the "quote" though. Very official looking. As I said before, the generalization does not work here. quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I'm not suggesting that the OP was looking for a sponsor. I am suggesting that if you want to "avoid people places things ..." it is best (unless someone wishes to become a hermit which is also contraindicated in the fellowship) to meet new people, ostensibly; people who aren't using i.e.; in recovery. It's best to actually live life. To gravitate toward someone else who is "in recovery" is not the best way to approach life on life's terms. While it might work for the short term, I would never suggest it as a "must have" for long term relationships. But, hey, I'm sure I have no idea what I'm talking about, being involved for the past 5 years in a 12 step program and all.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 12:39:12 PM)
Well, jenny, my experience only goes back to ~~1986~~ (slip of the fat fingers. 05 February 1987) so ... The quote wasn't "official looking" it was from rote. Unfortunately for you, I'm not "talking out of my ass" in any way shape or form. That's all I'm going to say on the matter and your passive aggressive, ignorant self goes back into oblivion. Michael

littleladybug -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 12:49:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Well, jenny, my experience only goes back to ~~1986~~ (slip of the fat fingers. 05 February 1987) so ... The quote wasn't "official looking" it was from rote. Unfortunately for you, I'm not "talking out of my ass" in any way shape or form. That's all I'm going to say on the matter and your passive aggressive, ignorant self goes back into oblivion. Michael Yeah, you are talking out of your ass if you make your own experience into a generalization of all 12 step programs. Didn't you learn that in your first meeting? Or hasn't it sunk in yet? Don't talk for me, or anyone else. Thanks.

LadyPact -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 1:51:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr So much for "wishing me the best". You just don't stop. You're obsessed, I think. I never said addiction wasn't a disease. NEVER FUCKING SAID IT. What I did say was that generally, there's a belief amongst the "recovery crowd" that BDSM is also a disease (ie; mental illness) which ties in to the disease of addiction. I know because I've mentioned these sorts of things at 12 step social functions (not meetings). I'll ask you, one more time, nicely: please stop misrepresenting my positions. It makes you look like a manipulative person. Manipulative not being a very "dominant" quality. Wishing you the best doesn't mean that we'll never disagree. Without going nuts on my google-fu, if I recall correctly, alcoholism was one of the first "diseases" that the AMA endorsed without a specific point of origin. (Simply put, no root cause.) At one time, wasn't it associated with obsession and compulsion? But OCD and the like were considered psychological disorders. Not a physical disease. Didn't AA spring forth something like 126 different recovery programs?

crazyml -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 2:02:16 PM)
I am sensing anger. Lots of it. Not a particularly attractive quality, or an especially healthy one, in a "dom"

Wayward5oul -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 2:15:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Well, jenny,.. Is that her name, or are you referring to her by this for some other purpose? I ask because I don't recall her ever using her given name, at least not in the time that I've been here.

FelineRanger -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 2:33:07 PM)
It's a sad commentary that a simple question from a presumed newcomer has already deteriorated into arguments and personal sniping.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 3:59:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Wishing you the best doesn't mean that we'll never disagree. You're right, but it certainly would be best if you would stop fucking lying about what I say. That would be best. Remeber the part where I asked you to just pretend I didn't exist and leave me the fuck alone? quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Without going nuts on my google-fu, if I recall correctly, alcoholism was one of the first "diseases" that the AMA endorsed without a specific point of origin. (Simply put, no root cause.) At one time, wasn't it associated with obsession and compulsion? But OCD and the like were considered psychological disorders. Not a physical disease. Didn't AA spring forth something like 126 different recovery programs? I'm not sure about CDO, but people who were alcoholic frequently wound up in sanatoriums ... you know ... places for the mentally ill (which were not prize winners back then). AA evolved from nothing except a chance meeting between Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob Smith in Cleveland in JUN of 1935. They had both already concluded that they were hopelessly addicted and ran into each other, started talking and realized that just sharing their experience, strength, and hope had helped them to stay sober for a period of time. To "test their theory", they searched out another person in similar distress and did the same thing with them. It worked. That person is known as "Alcoholic Anonymous #3 in the Big Book. AA was the very first 12 step recovery program. Anyone else using those same twelve steps (maybe slightly altered; just insert your particular addiction) is indebted to and an offshoot of AA. Michael ETA: Still no apology for blatantly misrepresenting my position? I have to admit: I expected as much.

littleladybug -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 4:03:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr AA was the very first 12 step recovery program. Anyone else using those same twelve steps (maybe slightly altered; just insert your particular addiction) is indebted to and an offshoot of AA. But is not AA. Important, yet often overlooked fact.

LadyPact -> RE: Na members (5/16/2016 4:58:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr You're right, but it certainly would be best if you would stop fucking lying about what I say. That would be best. Remeber the part where I asked you to just pretend I didn't exist and leave me the fuck alone? Michael, I apologize. Shall we continue? quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Without going nuts on my google-fu, if I recall correctly, alcoholism was one of the first "diseases" that the AMA endorsed without a specific point of origin. (Simply put, no root cause.) At one time, wasn't it associated with obsession and compulsion? But OCD and the like were considered psychological disorders. Not a physical disease. Didn't AA spring forth something like 126 different recovery programs? quote: I'm not sure about CDO, but people who were alcoholic frequently wound up in sanatoriums ... you know ... places for the mentally ill (which were not prize winners back then). Yep, we're good. That should be about the time frame that it was considered a mental illness. Same as certain other things that were considered mental illness at that time. (I think my time frame is off because I want to say homosexuality could get a person locked up back then, too.) quote: AA evolved from nothing except a chance meeting between Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob Smith in Cleveland in JUN of 1935. They had both already concluded that they were hopelessly addicted and ran into each other, started talking and realized that just sharing their experience, strength, and hope had helped them to stay sober for a period of time. Isn't that a part from the introduction to the "Big Book"? quote: To "test their theory", they searched out another person in similar distress and did the same thing with them. It worked. That person is known as "Alcoholic Anonymous #3 in the Big Book. This is what I get for not reading ahead. quote: AA was the very first 12 step recovery program. Anyone else using those same twelve steps (maybe slightly altered; just insert your particular addiction) is indebted to and an offshoot of AA. Didn't some of those offshoots come about because certain things (like illegal drugs, sex, gambling, etc) weren't going so well in AA rooms? From there, correct me if I'm wrong, (as I know you will) the heroin addicts (hypothetical) weren't sitting so well with the alcoholics, because, well, people do what people do. Drinking yourself to death was ok, because "legal". quote: Michael ETA: Still no apology for blatantly misrepresenting my position? I have to admit: I expected as much. Look up.

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