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PeonForHer -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/19/2016 11:09:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP People who do work with their hands will still need a truck or van of their own though. Plumbers, electricians, construction companies. Table saws and such take up a lot of space and since no one knows what they'll need when they start a job, they carry full workshops in their work trucks. And I'd miss not having all the creature comforts in the car. I keep a first aid kit, a couple of books, a cooler full of water, folding chairs and so on. I'm not sure a shared car would have space for all the stuff plus you'd have to pack and unpack it frequently. The idea of installing car seats for kids multiple times a day terrifies me. They're really hard to install correctly, most people put the base in and then go to the police station to have it checked. Then you leave it in untouched. When my stepson was still living here with the grandchild, we would switch cars with him if we were babysitting. It was a lot easier than installing the car seat in our car and then back into his later. But the distances we drive here are a lot further than most countries deal with. Greta's 10K makes me laugh. We do a lot more than that on the spur of the moment; to go to the bowling alley, to the walking bridge over the Hudson, to the movie theater, to the grocery store. Further convos with engineering man: One, he reckons that the first vehicles to become driverless will be delivery trucks. These will be able to run all night and all day - endlessly, in fact, because there'll be no human in the cab who's legally obliged to stop and rest. They can run at night, when the roads aren't busy with commuters. As for the smaller trucks and vans: People of certain professions might well tend to own them; on the other hand, all they might end up owning is a 'portable shed' - something that can easily be picked up by a driverless towtruck or similar. Two, cars would end up being entirely different in terms of what they look like and feel like to use. Just as the first cars looked like the horsedrawn carriages of before - minus the horses - but slowly changed; driverless cars will be like mobile sitting rooms, bedrooms or offices. In fact, some people will choose to live in driverless motor homes. We're talking very, very radical change here ... Well, my pal the engineer is, anyway. And he also thinks the changes could be terrifying rather than exciting.

Greta75 -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/19/2016 6:11:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Another likelihood is that owning a car will become pointless, he reckons. What would be the advantage? You don't park a driverless car and let it wait for you to come back to it. You let it sod off to pick up someone else and take him/her on a journey instead. Another driverless car, that's nearer by, will come and pick you up after you've ordered it on your smartphone. But alot of people like myself, use my cars as portable storage. I have shoes, extra clothes, my skates, alot of things in it! I would never want to share a car! Even my boss, who is female, if you open her boot, it's our second wardrobe! It's like if we meet a client, we need to change into high heels, look professional and pretty, but it's very uncomfortable, so then after that, we might change into jeans and t-shirt and flats, and do our paper work back in office. That's what the car is for! You keep recyclable shopping bags in there. So incase you need to do last minute shopping after work.

enslaver -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/19/2016 6:40:13 PM)
Plenty of people want there own car for plenty of reasons, will not go for smaller cars, and as far as the insurance question goes if you think the car manufacturers lobbyists will let them, the dealers, or anybody other than you be liable(with your rates double what they are now), if you think that , then i have some swampland in Death Valley for you.

DesFIP -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/19/2016 8:17:33 PM)
And again, we have much longer commutes than you Peon. So how can multiple people alternate usage when they all have to be at work at the same time. But are coming from, and going to, different places.

PeonForHer -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/19/2016 11:16:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP And again, we have much longer commutes than you Peon. So how can multiple people alternate usage when they all have to be at work at the same time. But are coming from, and going to, different places. The same thing occurred to me. I've yet to ask my engineer pal. Perhaps there'd still be plenty of driverless cars lying around idle for a lot of the time, and only used during rush hour.

PeonForHer -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/19/2016 11:20:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: enslaver Plenty of people want there own car for plenty of reasons, will not go for smaller cars, and as far as the insurance question goes if you think the car manufacturers lobbyists will let them, the dealers, or anybody other than you be liable(with your rates double what they are now), if you think that , then i have some swampland in Death Valley for you. The likelihood is that the whole set-up with regard to insurance will change. It would have to. In general, this is going to be a much bigger thing than the manufacturers' lobbyists or any others could fight against.

tj444 -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 9:45:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR Interesting convo with a man who's a manager in the engineering dept of a car manufacturing firm today. Did this guy happen to tell you which manufacturers were leading this revolution and had the best prospects to produce the best, most forward vehicles?

PeonForHer -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 10:28:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 Did this guy happen to tell you which manufacturers were leading this revolution and had the best prospects to produce the best, most forward vehicles? That's the thing - he reckons it's not the car manufacturers who are going to lead it. They might even resist it, because it's going to change their industry so much. It's the computer techies and others. Just as so many other industries have found themselves adapting to computer tech over the last couple of decades.

PeonForHer -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 10:30:26 AM)
... And re that pressure on the manufacturers, Uber's already reared its head .... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36339340

Adorania -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 11:54:21 AM)
I highly doubt traffic jams are caused by jam brakes An oracle you are not, and all major roads design limit is exceeded. Perhaps they should make cars smaller.

DocStrange -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 12:11:47 PM)
Driverless cars are going to be a reality whether we like it or not. Personally I love the idea. It will stimulate the hell out of the economy. Many people who are now stuck at home because they cannot drive (elderly, disabled, vision impaired, etc) will now be able be out and about, and spend their money. It will be interesting to see who actually will be the first to have a driverless fleet. This could change the trucking industry drastically. Trucks could be scheduled to run at night or non rush our times to help free up traffic. Time will tell on this.

QualityFirst -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 12:59:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: enslaver Anybody buying such a car and entrusting his life to a microchip is a moron. You would be surprised from how many microchips your life already daily depends. Or do you think that, on traffic lights, if the light is green for you, it is a moron that makes sure that the crossing street has red light?

QualityFirst -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 1:03:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Adorania I highly doubt traffic jams are caused by jam brakes They are, traffic experts have found out. It works like an accordion: one stupid braking can have consequences up to 6 miles before it.

DesFIP -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 2:34:25 PM)
The insurance is the easiest thing. The fleet renting someone the car to go to the market are the owners and therefore they pay the insurance. Like renting a car, and a portion of your rental costs will go towards insurance.

PeonForHer -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 3:14:54 PM)
FR Well folks, my engineer friend is pretty damned emphatic. He honestly thinks that the advent of driverless cars will lead to as radical a change in society as the invention of the internal combustion engine. And all within ten to fifteen years .... Which leads me to another of his points: that radical technological change happens much, much quicker now than it did even twenty years ago. Look at how quickly computer technology gets invented, gets snapped up ... then is redundant in just a decade. 'How many people thought that CDs would be here forever?', he says. 'Now you only pick up CD racks from junk shops'. I should say that this pal of mine is no nutter. Or if he is, he's an extremely successful one. He lives in a house you only stop getting lost in after visiting more than a few times.

AtUrCervix -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 3:29:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP I can't wait. When my son was a teen I ran around daily taking him hither and yon. I would have killed for a car I could have sent to pick him up from a friend's house or drop him off. Now I can't drive at night, which means after 4:30 in winter. A car that could drive me home from the grocery store in the dark would be wonderful. Hell, it's a big problem for the elderly who can still live on their own but can't drive. Driverless cars could allow them to stay in their homes longer. When I was a kid....driverless cars had to go uphill to pick people up. BOTH WAYS!!!! Now....kids have it easy....driverless cars can go uphill....charge up....get another car..... Kids have it easy today. When I was a kid..........

dcnovice -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 3:42:04 PM)
quote: Which leads me to another of his points: that radical technological change happens much, much quicker now than it did even twenty years ago. Look at how quickly computer technology gets invented, gets snapped up ... then is redundant in just a decade. 'How many people thought that CDs would be here forever?', he says. 'Now you only pick up CD racks from junk shops'. I think that was the premise of Alvin Toffler's famous book, Future Shock, but I've not read it myself.

tj444 -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 3:56:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR Well folks, my engineer friend is pretty damned emphatic. He honestly thinks that the advent of driverless cars will lead to as radical a change in society as the invention of the internal combustion engine. And all within ten to fifteen years .... Which leads me to another of his points: that radical technological change happens much, much quicker now than it did even twenty years ago. Look at how quickly computer technology gets invented, gets snapped up ... then is redundant in just a decade. 'How many people thought that CDs would be here forever?', he says. 'Now you only pick up CD racks from junk shops'. I should say that this pal of mine is no nutter. Or if he is, he's an extremely successful one. He lives in a house you only stop getting lost in after visiting more than a few times. Oh, I agree with your friend.. and yes, this evolution is happening very fast.. in another thread i posted an article that said 10% of the manufacturing jobs (worldwide) are done by robots now but its expected that in only 5 years that 45% will be.. The biggest problem i see is that there are gonna be a lot of displaced workers, uber drivers included, in the new unemployment lines.. What jobs are they going to do? The displacement is gonna happen faster than the retraining and new jobs will, imo.. that's the downside, unfortunately..

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 4:13:32 PM)
so there must be a lot of morons flying around the world at any given time and basically entrusting their lives to a whole BUNCH of micro-chips. That includes the crew on the flight deck of any of those bloody great kerosene canaries.

enslaver -> RE: Driverless Cars (5/20/2016 4:46:59 PM)
the crew is still there and still has controls if something goes wrong. driverless cars, believe me, will eventually have NO brake pedals, steering wheel, gear shift lever, no way for you to interfere. Putting a self drive option on them defeats the whole purpose, deleting them gains space, reduces weight, smaller cars to make gas mileage.The government will give priority to those who make ones the size of Mini Coopers.

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