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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/17/2016 9:42:25 PM   
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well,.. apparently ISIS controls certain islands in the Philippines & they are brutal.. until i read this article last month I didnt even have a clue that there were terrorists there.. I am sure lots of people dont know this.. I think this new President is also reacting to what happened to the tourist and these terrorists still have many kidnap victims hostages.. so its an international situation as well.. needless to say, I will never travel to that country..


"Canadian tourist John Ridsdel beheaded by Philippines Islamist militants"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-26/philippines-militants-behead-canadian-tourist/7356888

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/17/2016 10:14:00 PM   
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Islamist is everywhere! But the President was not reacting to the muslim terrorists. Regular Philippines is just an unsafe place. Kidnapping happens too much, gangs strive. It's a mess! And too much corruption.

Tough measures needed to get tough situation under control. He needs to make all criminals tremble and fear him!

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/17/2016 10:41:03 PM   
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Islamist is everywhere! But the President was not reacting to the muslim terrorists. Regular Philippines is just an unsafe place. Kidnapping happens too much, gangs strive. It's a mess! And too much corruption.

Tough measures needed to get tough situation under control. He needs to make all criminals tremble and fear him!


My brother married a woman from the Philippines.. He went on holidays to the Philippines and (surprise!) came back married (he met her online so that was all pre-planned, he just didnt tell anyone).. They were both about the same age, she was well educated.. it took a year for her to be able to move to be with him in Canada (longer due to a fire in her apartment which burnt up her documents so she had to redo all that)... I think they are happy together, she has a job in marketing.. so I know very little about that country.. but now I have a very different perspective..

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/17/2016 10:57:39 PM   
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Suffer a little of lack of freedom. 6 years later, vote someone else new!

Oh dear.

This is the plot of Shakespeare's Measure for Measure, but in that play the temporary hardball ruler becomes corrupt.

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/17/2016 11:52:36 PM   
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My brother married a woman from the Philippines..

Which makes it even more surprising, you think his hardline stances is directed at terrorists. Those terrorists are only attacking remote tourists resorts , and they are targeting foreigners. I think his focus is more on cleaning up all the mess in the main country.

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 1:27:19 AM   
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until i read this article last month I didnt even have a clue that there were terrorists there

There have been "terrorists" in the Philippines for over a century, it is nothing new.

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 12:54:44 PM   
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until i read this article last month I didnt even have a clue that there were terrorists there

There have been "terrorists" in the Philippines for over a century, it is nothing new.


There have been "terrorists" in the US & Canada too.. FLQ, Squamish 5, unibomber, McVie, others.. when i hear about beheadings & ISIS/AQ its always been Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan.. I didnt think it was as bad as that in the Philippines..

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 1:11:37 PM   
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My brother married a woman from the Philippines..

Which makes it even more surprising, you think his hardline stances is directed at terrorists. Those terrorists are only attacking remote tourists resorts , and they are targeting foreigners. I think his focus is more on cleaning up all the mess in the main country.


then I guess the Philippines doesnt need or even want tourists & foreigners or the money they bring to that county's economy.. If tourists & foreigners dont rate with this dude then I think that country should be boycotted (they export almost twice as much to Canada than they import from Canada)..

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 2:21:28 PM   
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But drugs has always been banned, so it's hard to see the difference if they made drugs legal. I think making drugs legal will make things worst in this country. Currently, the drug problem is so good, and so low, it is good.

Actually, Greta, in the States the movement to prohibit morphine, heroin, cocaine, etc., did not begin until early in the 20th Century, and then the history of legislation and proclamations were filled with lies and fear mongering. The fear tactics have been renewed recently in the campaign against medical oxycontin. Doctors here are being intimidated to stop prescribing pain killing medications. So, people with chronic pain, especially the elderly, are in jeopardy.

I fear I failed to state clearly my understanding of addiction. People become addicted through habitual, repeated behaviors promoted by whatever makes them feel good or lessens their pain. Chemical substances do not automatically create addictions. Many people have used cocaine as a recreational drug without becoming addicted. Addiction is a psycho-social-behavioral issue, not a chemical issue. Banning chemicals, as has been our experience with Prohibition and the War on Drugs, only gives birth to criminal enterprises.

The War on Drugs could be more successful as a medical-behavioral enterprise to help addicts.


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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 2:29:50 PM   
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My brother married a woman from the Philippines..

Which makes it even more surprising, you think his hardline stances is directed at terrorists. Those terrorists are only attacking remote tourists resorts , and they are targeting foreigners. I think his focus is more on cleaning up all the mess in the main country.

The turn to an authoritarian regime is nothing new in this world. The Philippine people, from your report, have turned their nation into a penitentiary where the guards have been given free reign to fire on the inmates from their towers. It is delusional to believe increasing the guards' pay will reduce their corruption or increase their humanity. Greater monetary rewards will provide affirmation for their brutality.

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 2:31:00 PM   
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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 3:03:17 PM   
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I didnt think it was as bad as that in the Philippines.

And that is because you really don't know a fucking thing about the Philippines. Hardly surprising, as you apparently don't know a fucking thing about a surprisingly large number of topics.

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 5:44:40 PM   
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I didnt think it was as bad as that in the Philippines.

And that is because you really don't know a fucking thing about the Philippines. Hardly surprising, as you apparently don't know a fucking thing about a surprisingly large number of topics.


There is such avast amount of information today, that no one is knowlegable on a large number of subjects, so that can be said about everyone, including you..

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 6:06:37 PM   
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Astounding how threads like this can be almost filled with posts by people who don't bother to follow current Philippine events, know the country's history, or how the typical post-colonial oligarchs have produced the usual minority reactions (The terrorism in the southern Islamic islands) or the street crime in the cities. The latest of the country's Long history of demagogues couldn't serve the powers that created what is there now more if he tried, yet another hypocrite saying he's solving a problem by empowering exactly the same forces that created it, a corrupt police, military, judiciary and legislature. Yet again, a totally unnecessary illustration of what our Founding Fathers well knew in 1778, an absolute necessity for the success of a democracy (Or electoral Republic) is a EDUCATED and Involved electorate. The USA is proving this in more modern fashion with it's blind acceptance of radically polarizing political messages in place of responsible journalism. Education doesn't stop when leaving public school, it should be just starting, and continuing life long.

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 6:58:24 PM   
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Greater monetary rewards will provide affirmation for their brutality.

It works in my country. We increase the pay of politicians and authority figures to prevent corruption.
Singapore has the highest paid politicians in the world. And we are in the top 10 least corrupted country.
Alot of third world, like Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia. The pay is too low at high levels which causes way too much corruption and them receiving under table bribes.

Whenever I travel to Malaysia, bribing policemen is almost the norm. I'm always prepared to bribe. Could get away with anything there! The policemen earn so little. And they need the money.

When I was in Indonesia, my passport was less than 6 months. The officer hinted to me that if I paid him a certain amount, he'll let me through. But I didn't take it. I chose to go back to Singapore, because it would be another hassle of bribing my way back to Singapore coming back later.

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 7:35:52 PM   
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I work with some lovely Filipino women.
I asked one of them today, about the corruption and violence in the Phillippines.
She told me it is awful and dangerous in many areas, mainly around Manilla and the other cities.

I asked her about candidate Duterte, and she said she supported him and his efforts.
This woman is one of the kindest and low key women I have ever met and I was surprised.
She told me a few stories and she told me she was fed up and she hopes he can make a difference,
in curbing some of the crime.

I don't have any answers, but if this gentle woman hopes Duterte can help clean things up {with what he proposes}, the
situation must be desperate for the citizens in that country.

I hope things get better.


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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 7:44:37 PM   
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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 8:28:53 PM   
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But drugs has always been banned, so it's hard to see the difference if they made drugs legal. I think making drugs legal will make things worst in this country. Currently, the drug problem is so good, and so low, it is good.

Actually, Greta, in the States the movement to prohibit morphine, heroin, cocaine, etc., did not begin until early in the 20th Century, and then the history of legislation and proclamations were filled with lies and fear mongering. The fear tactics have been renewed recently in the campaign against medical oxycontin. Doctors here are being intimidated to stop prescribing pain killing medications. So, people with chronic pain, especially the elderly, are in jeopardy.

I fear I failed to state clearly my understanding of addiction. People become addicted through habitual, repeated behaviors promoted by whatever makes them feel good or lessens their pain. Chemical substances do not automatically create addictions. Many people have used cocaine as a recreational drug without becoming addicted. Addiction is a psycho-social-behavioral issue, not a chemical issue. Banning chemicals, as has been our experience with Prohibition and the War on Drugs, only gives birth to criminal enterprises.

The War on Drugs could be more successful as a medical-behavioral enterprise to help addicts.




The Harrison act is what banned cocaine. That was back then. Back in those days you could buy morphine over the counter. There was a substance called paragoric they gave to their kids when they were teething. It had morphine and alcohol in it. I bet that shut the little fuckers up ! LOL They just be smilin' !

Whether it was right or not to do so I do not know. Did it have a deleterious effect on their development ? Well as far as I know, nobody studied that.

You take one group of people who say there is no reason for the kid to suffer when you have the means to stop it they will make a good argument. And then you got people like me who reject the notion that you have the right to a pain free life. Really, some people think you should never have to experience any pain. If there is any exception to that it is teething because that is totally natural.

Others, like me, believe different. I do not take pain killers unless you include beer. It was painful to let my wisdom teeth grow in. You know, probably alot of dentists don't even know that those come in crooked and then straighten out. I have the full set and when they were coming in I didn't even tbnink of a painkiller or a dentist who would remove them for a fee of course. Not I am 55 and never lost a tooth. Broke a couple and chipped a couple more, but not only are they there, they are still growing. I chipped a front tooth a long time ago and just a couple years ago I noticed that it seems to have fixed itself. What really happened is it wore down and grew back so now it is about the same size as it was before I got hit in the mouth with a shovel. Maybe bigger.

I was shot in the face, about an inch under my left eye in February 25th, 1985. I refused painkillers. The bullet got deflected from the hard part of my head somehow and is still in my neck. It grazed some nerves and I had some tempomandibular problems for a while. But that is all over now. And I don't set off metal detectors, it was only a .38 they say from the Xrays.

I rolled a van. I was in the passenger seat of a 1975 Pontiac Grand Prix when it hit one of those BIG telephone poles (Brookpark Rd./Rte17) at over 50 MPH. I didn't make it all the way through the windshield but I certainly put a dent in it.

At no time did I ever ask for a painkiller. I learned that pain is what tells the brain to send resources to repair itself. And this was before my extensive research on the internet, didn't have any stinkin' internet !

You can manage most pain without drugs but most people are unwilling to even try. They gave me some a few years ago, tried a couple, didn't do shit so I gave them away. But some people do suffer and really need them to function. However there is a price.

If you got arthritis in the knees and painkiller allow you to put more stress on them than they can take, it hurts you in the long run.

Addiction is not universal, as you said. I know a guy who can do heroin on Friday night, have a good time and then forget all about it and be at work Monday no problem. I can do coke and the next day have no desire for it. It is not that I feel so bad or anything, it is just that I done did it now step away and leave it alone. (I never tried heroin) I know another guy who actually was a crackhead, but now does it about once a month.

I am almost ready to call those addictive personalities immature. Almost, not quite. There are too many other factors. If someone uses drugs to cover up emotional issues, I think they are the ones who get addicted. But really, if you think about it, that is NOT recreational drug use. That is hiding from yourself. I have known people who did that. Two of the broke a coke addiction, ummm, three now that I think of it. They literally grew out of it from what I can tell. I never had the problem because I don';t like the shit that much. Haven't doe it in probably five years, maybe more, and have no plans to. And I have been offered, for free.

Anyway, back to this guy in the Philippines. Anywhere you go, when people are dealing in illegal merchandise, sometimes they have to do nasty things to stay in business. I have nothing against drug dealers. If they start trying to claim turf and all that shit maybe, but most just give you their phone number and you meet them and nothing happens. You pay, get your shit, go home and catch a buzz. No victi, no crime.

There IS a problem with people who get so addicted that they have to go out and steal, maybe even kill to get it.

So we are back where we started. I have the right to put anything I damnwell please into my body. But if certain other people do the same thing they will go out and hurt people. That is a BIG problem, but the bottom line is that they have no right to take away my rights because of what others do. Where does the Constitution say that ? My rights cannot be taken away but by due process, and some guy on the other side of the country beating or killing someone to get a fix is not fucking due process.

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/18/2016 11:53:38 PM   
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There is such avast amount of information today, that no one is knowlegable on a large number of subjects

I am afraid that is incorrect. Some of us are indeed knowledgeable on a large number of topics, some of us have pretty much wasted our lives studying shit for the fun of it. Does that make us experts? Nope, but it sure as hell makes us knowledgeable. Do not assume that because you have narrowed your learning to a single field that others have done so as well.

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RE: Philippines "Hardline" President - 5/19/2016 1:04:33 PM   
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Greater monetary rewards will provide affirmation for their brutality.

It works in my country. We increase the pay of politicians and authority figures to prevent corruption.
Singapore has the highest paid politicians in the world. And we are in the top 10 least corrupted country.
Alot of third world, like Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia. The pay is too low at high levels which causes way too much corruption and them receiving under table bribes.

Whenever I travel to Malaysia, bribing policemen is almost the norm. I'm always prepared to bribe. Could get away with anything there! The policemen earn so little. And they need the money.

When I was in Indonesia, my passport was less than 6 months. The officer hinted to me that if I paid him a certain amount, he'll let me through. But I didn't take it. I chose to go back to Singapore, because it would be another hassle of bribing my way back to Singapore coming back later.

My understanding is that you have a very high cost of living which may account for the high salaries. The linked article tells me you have a very efficient system for holding authorities accountable for any economic corruption. But there has been sexual-favors corruption recently. So, congratulations to your country but doubtful the benefit is coming from higher salaries.

Said Professor Neo Boon Siong of Nanyang Business School: "The fact that there are cases being brought up and prosecuted shows our system of checks and balances, and detecting and prosecuting wrongdoing is still in place."

Associate Professor Tan Khee Giap, co-director of the Asia Competitiveness Institute at the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy, noted that the nature of corruption here has changed from money to sexual favours.


https://www.mfa.gov.sg/content/mfa/media_centre/singapore_headlines/2012/201212/infocus_20121206.html

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