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Question - 5/18/2016 12:51:37 PM

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If a Dom is falsely accused of something does he not have a right to face his accusers and get the truth finally cleared up and have his name restored

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RE: Question - 5/18/2016 12:54:04 PM

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only in a court of law.

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RE: Question - 5/18/2016 12:57:52 PM

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Isn't that the point of those slave contracts? They're not legally binding, but they are a pretty useful get out should somebody claim assault against you.

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RE: Question - 5/18/2016 2:41:33 PM

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No more than does a sub, or a completely vanilla person. Get a lawyer and look into slander/liable laws wherever you live.

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RE: Question - 5/18/2016 3:23:16 PM

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If a Dom is falsely accused of something does he not have a right to face his accusers and get the truth finally cleared up and have his name restored

Have you taken your grievances to the International BDSM Council yet? I believe they're the governing body for such affairs.

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RE: Question - 5/18/2016 9:29:09 PM

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OK, that made me chuckle.

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RE: Question - 5/18/2016 10:11:11 PM

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How would that happen? Unless there was video or a witness to rebut the accusation.

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RE: Question - 5/19/2016 8:33:03 AM

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If a Dom is falsely accused of something does he not have a right to face his accusers and get the truth finally cleared up and have his name restored

Why would your reputation depend on what others think of you? Aren't you strong enough as an individual to stand on your own two feet without needing the spurious opinions of others to prop you up?

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RE: Question - 5/19/2016 8:39:39 AM

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Isn't that the point of those slave contracts? They're not legally binding, but they are a pretty useful get out should somebody claim assault against you.

Nope.

They're used in court by the prosecution, not by the defense. They're used to show that the defendant was aware he was breaking the law and did so anyways. They thereby show intent, and make the charges worse.

If, for example, you have a reference to edge play in your contract and you end up accidentally killing somebody during play, you'll be charged with premeditated murder as a result of your contract.

You cannot consent to break the law, and so slave contracts are never used by the defense to establish consent was present, but they might be used by the state to show that there was clear intention to break the law.

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RE: Question - 5/19/2016 8:40:51 AM

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Why would your reputation depend on what others think of you? Aren't you strong enough as an individual to stand on your own two feet without needing the spurious opinions of others to prop you up?

Reputation is not the same as self-esteem.

OP - you do not have a specific community 'right' but you certainly can choose with whom you associate. Do you really want to associate with folks who won't listen to both sides of a story before making a decision?

Don't try to repair your reputation with those people.. find more worthy people.

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RE: Question - 5/19/2016 10:45:59 AM

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There is this legal concept of "should have known" even if the fact "wasn't known."

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RE: Question - 5/19/2016 12:55:25 PM

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Isn't that the point of those slave contracts? They're not legally binding, but they are a pretty useful get out should somebody claim assault against you.

Nope.

They're used in court by the prosecution, not by the defense. They're used to show that the defendant was aware he was breaking the law and did so anyways. They thereby show intent, and make the charges worse.

If, for example, you have a reference to edge play in your contract and you end up accidentally killing somebody during play, you'll be charged with premeditated murder as a result of your contract.

You cannot consent to break the law, and so slave contracts are never used by the defense to establish consent was present, but they might be used by the state to show that there was clear intention to break the law.

That's interesting. I've heard of a few cases of them being used for the opposite reason over here.
(That said, the courts in the UK have eased up on BDSM a lot since the fiasco over the Spanner case...)

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RE: Question - 5/19/2016 1:44:35 PM

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If a Dom is falsely accused of something does he not have a right to face his accusers and get the truth finally cleared up and have his name restored

Why would your reputation depend on what others think of you? Aren't you strong enough as an individual to stand on your own two feet without needing the spurious opinions of others to prop you up?

Well, reputation - by definition - is what others think about you:

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ORIGINAL: American Heritage Dictionary
rep·u·ta·tion (rĕp′yə-tāshən)

n.
1. The general opinion or judgment of the public about a person or thing: a senator with a tarnished reputation; a restaurant with a good reputation.
2. The state or situation of being held in high esteem: feared damage to his reputation.
3. A widespread ascription of a characteristic or trait to a person or thing: a sales clerk who has a reputation for courtesy; a columnist with the reputation of being acerbic.

At the end of the day, for a lot of us, our reputation is the only thing we truly own. It can't be taken away. We all have one. The difference is the "condition" of the reputation.

That's just general stuff. In this lifestyle, especially, reputation means a lot as so many people are so married to the idea of "references". What is a "reference" (in this lifestyle) if not a reputation?

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RE: Question - 5/19/2016 1:55:45 PM

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There is this legal concept of "should have known" even if the fact "wasn't known."

And in just about every 'civilized' country, the courts say that ignorance of the law is no excuse whatsoever.

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RE: Question - 5/19/2016 3:42:23 PM

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If a Dom is falsely accused of something does he not have a right to face his accusers and get the truth finally cleared up and have his name restored

If someone has accused you of something, there is nothing stopping you from confronting said person. Not sure what you are seeking here?

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RE: Question - 5/19/2016 11:04:59 PM

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I suspect that the police separate the two people and then the woman policeman asks the woman what happened and she gets story1.

At the smae time the man policeman asks the man what happened and he gets story 2.

Then the two policemen compare stories and they wonder if they happened on the same planet because they are two different stories totally and completely.

Then they go in front of a juge and both tell a more clever version oif the very different stories that have been "fixed" by their lawyers.

Now a jury decides whose story to believe.

Usualally they go with teh woman. Or the wite guy. Or the older person. Or the younger one. Or whichever seemed most believed.

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RE: Question - 5/19/2016 11:06:19 PM

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I suspect that the police separate the two people and then the woman policeman asks the woman what happened and she gets story1.

At the smae time the man policeman asks the man what happened and he gets story 2.

Then the two policemen compare stories and they wonder if they happened on the same planet because they are two different stories totally and completely.

Then they go in front of a juge and both tell a more clever version oif the very different stories that have been "fixed" by their lawyers.

Now a jury decides whose story to believe.

Usualally they go with teh woman. Or the wite guy. Or the older person. Or the younger one. Or whichever seemed most believed.

I foregot to add the final word with is that is what we call justice.

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RE: Question - 5/21/2016 6:42:48 PM

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Reputation is not the same as self-esteem.

Never said it was. But if someone has self esteem, then they needn't worry about reputation. See how that works?

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RE: Question - 5/21/2016 6:47:17 PM

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In this lifestyle, especially, reputation means a lot as so many people are so married to the idea of "references". What is a "reference" (in this lifestyle) if not a reputation?
Michael

Another one misses the point... If your self esteem is high enough, you don't need the esteem of others.

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RE: Question - 5/22/2016 6:01:54 AM

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If a Dom is falsely accused of something does he not have a right to face his accusers and get the truth finally cleared up and have his name restored

If a Dom (or anybody else) is accused of anything, false or not, he can face his accusers.

The confrontation will not be a simple case of the Dom winning an incontrovertible decision. Most onlookers will get some kind of idea that both parties have some legit points and that the truth lies partway between opposing testimonies.

He will have his reputation restored somewhat, but not 100%.

Generally speaking, though, it's usually better to let accusations die quietly than keep the discussion alive.

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