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Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression" - 5/25/2016 3:13:44 AM   
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It is often alleged: - that women have been historically oppressed for millennia - that (at various times) women could not leave the house, hold accounts, etc. - that any excesses by modern feminism are simply a backlash against historical oppression, etc.

Ample material exists in refutation:

1. History Professor Martin van Creveld has written a volume, "The Privileged Sex," in which he documents the female privileges (and male disadvantages) which historically have accompanied ostensible disadvantages to the female role. His volume is thorough and well-annotated.

2. Historian Joanne Bailey, Professor of History at Oxford Brookes (not Oxford University), has written a monograph here: http://www.academia.edu/746242/Favoured_or_oppressed_Married_women_property_and_coverturein_England_1660_1800 https://jbailey2013.wordpress.com/tag/coverture/ http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=151611 http://history.brookes.ac.uk/research/Social-and-Cultural-History/prof.asp?ID=592

The monograph shows that married women held more or less power of attorney to the marital property, only nominally recorded in the husband's name.

3. Further many jurisdictions required by law that the household expenses be borne entirely by the husband, with the husband forbidden access to the wife's assets, rendering the husband an "asset slave".

4. Many jurisdictions would jail the husband for failure to support (often at sole whim or complaint of the wife), thus rendering the husband an "income slave":

5. At least one front-page article detailed first-wave suffragettes deliberately contracting debts in order to cause their husbands to be jailed.

6. One immigrant newspaper circa 1910 contained a pitiful letter from husbands jailed for non-support, begging their wives to let them out just for the upcoming holiday: https://books.google.com/books?id=lfoJPscpt2QC&pg=PA110 (bottom of page, continued on next two pages) https://books.google.com/books?id=bNGpnN_AbWAC&pg=PA112 The Editor responds that they have committed a crime and deserve to be punished.
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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/25/2016 4:16:33 AM   
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respectmen yesterday:


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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/25/2016 7:17:42 AM   
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Oh goodie, another women are evil thread! Is it too early to start the transition to Star Trek?

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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/25/2016 7:25:46 AM   
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Good idea.

My favorite TNG episode is "The Inner Light," where Picard is targeted by a probe and lives an entire lifetime in about 25 minutes.
Also, this episode won the 1993 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation.

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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/25/2016 7:28:13 AM   
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How about Blake's 7 this time?


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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/25/2016 8:24:54 AM   
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quote:

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Oh goodie, another women are evil thread! Is it too early to start the transition to Star Trek?


More like a third wave feminists and social justice warriors are bat shit crazy concept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y69tkCbeC5o

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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/25/2016 10:00:06 AM   
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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/25/2016 10:06:04 AM   
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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/25/2016 10:10:49 AM   
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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/25/2016 11:57:23 AM   
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Were you born bat shit, stark raving, fruit loops for cocoa puffs or do you train really hard at it??

I think you and crumpets need to get married, live somewhere without internet connection and take a breath... Because, WOW, just wow.

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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/25/2016 1:27:52 PM   
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There were no doubt lots of advantages, scattered around, of being female and not male, RM. Every cloud has a silver lining, and all that.

But we don't need the esteemed Professors' words here to tell us this. We all know that men have died in their millions, and for millennia, in wars. Men have fought and women have not. This gender advantage that women have traditionally enjoyed - of not having to get slaughtered in wars - trumps everything else, no? Who cares about these other things, which are as mere footnotes by comparison?

Why didn't you bring up that little matter?




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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/25/2016 6:59:05 PM   
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I love "Tapestry," in which Picard got to go back in time and correct his youthful mistakes--with shocking results.

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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/25/2016 8:44:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MercTech
More like a third wave feminists and social justice warriors are bat shit crazy concept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y69tkCbeC5o

Unquestionably the funniest version of that clip I've seen so far.

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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/26/2016 4:34:24 AM   
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FR

I love "Tapestry," in which Picard got to go back in time and correct his youthful mistakes--with shocking results.

"The Measure Of Man" is pretty phenomenal. The court case to determine whether Data's legally a sentient being with legal rights or merely a machine? Straight lift from an old Eando Binder short story, but still a great story.

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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/26/2016 7:09:56 AM   
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I love that one too!

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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/26/2016 7:34:29 AM   
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My favorite ST:NG episodes were the ones that had Q.

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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/26/2016 9:58:40 AM   
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Q was invented by the Norsemen, I thought ... Another 'Loki'. Always a great character.

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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 5/26/2016 10:09:12 AM   
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Several jobs ago, a colleague got to work with John de Lancie on a non-Trek project.

We were all incredibly jealous.

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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 2/4/2017 3:59:37 PM   
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I'm glad y'all agree with ISIS on the issue of women.

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RE: Refutation of "Women's Historical Oppression&q... - 2/4/2017 4:06:49 PM   
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