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Greta75 -> Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 6:28:47 AM)
The very first time I heard that Vaccination could make children Autistic was from Donald Trump. I actually never heard of this shit. Maybe because I am not a mom, so not really interested in what affects children. But recently I read in my local papers that basically, vaccination against measles for children is compulsory in my country because according to the article, they say there is no cure for measles? Like no medicine to fix the problem? And when they spread, they are a nightmare to deal with, especially in school with kids. But there is huge enough group of parents who genuinely believe that vaccination causes Autism and have refused to have their children vaccinated. This I am surprise so many people believe in this. And my country is gonna impose a $1500 fine on parents who refused to vaccinate their kids from measles. What do you guys think? Should there be a fine or not? Personally I think if the vaccination against measles is effective, then every parent with kids who are vaccinated has no worries. When the kids who are not vaccinated get measles, IF every other kid is vaccinated, technically it shouldn't spread. Just the population that refuses vaccinations suffers, and it's their choice to take that risk! No need for fines. When their kids get measles, that should be consequences enough.

WhoreMods -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 7:13:03 AM)
The fine sounds a good idea to me, though just confiscating the kids would be better still.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 7:22:42 AM)
quote: The very first time I heard that Vaccination could make children Autistic was from Donald Trump. And that was yet one more lie he told. There is no connection between autism and vaccinations. None whatsoever. The original article claiming there was a connection was bullshit and the guy who wrote it got into legal trouble for pulling the bullshit.

Lucylastic -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 7:26:41 AM)
Going back to 1990 I had to have all my kids vaccinations recorded before they were allowed a spot in school. I had them vaccinated when they were age appropriate, so not a big deal, but adults can catch measles and it isnt a joke. The mortality rate is lower than it has been, but outbreaks occur because of stupid people. I have very little time for anti vaxxers or the autism twats (those who repeat shit they know nothing about, like Trump). WHo dont know the difference between polio and polo

Greta75 -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 7:37:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Going back to 1990 I had to have all my kids vaccinations recorded before they were allowed a spot in school. This might actually be simply more effective. After all, first compulsory vaccination is at 12 months old. So the fine doesn't sit right with me, like I don't see how it's effective. Because, the ones who don't believe in vaccinations are usually the affluent crowd, means more disposable income. Who is following the whole, antibiotics is bad, go by natural immune system is best, etc etc. Older more uneducated generation is more like, if government say vaccination is needed, they just do it. They won't question the need for it. Now if they refuse to accept kids in school if there is no vaccination, maybe parents will do it. But then again, we also don't want to prevent any kids from going to school, just because of their parent's refusal to vaccinate them.

WhoreMods -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 7:47:07 AM)
Maybe it's just me being a liberal gimp of the oppressive ZOG and their illuminati paymasters, but I'd much rather have an autistic kid than a dead or crippled one.

Lucylastic -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 7:54:47 AM)
You can get a medical exemption if there's a medical reason you can't receive a vaccine, or there's a philosophical or religious exemption. And if a measles case occurs in a school, a child who is not immunized may be excluded from school for a period of five to 21 days post-exposure,

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 7:58:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 The very first time I heard that Vaccination could make children Autistic was from Donald Trump. I actually never heard of this shit. Because it IS shit and lies!! quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 But recently I read in my local papers that basically, vaccination against measles for children is compulsory in my country because according to the article, they say there is no cure for measles? Like no medicine to fix the problem? The idea of the vaccination is to get the body to generate natural antibodies to the virus. Once you've got it, it's not like taking an aspirin for a headache - you've got it and that's that. There is no medicine to 'cure' it; you have to let it take its course. The body usually does what the vaccinations do - they generate antibodies to fight the virus and (usually) eventually kill it. And for girls especially, measles and German measles is particularly nasty. quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 And when they spread, they are a nightmare to deal with, especially in school with kids. At certain stages, it is a very virulent virus and easily spread. quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 But there is huge enough group of parents who genuinely believe that vaccination causes Autism and have refused to have their children vaccinated. This I am surprise so many people believe in this. Because they are stupid. quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 And my country is gonna impose a $1500 fine on parents who refused to vaccinate their kids from measles. What do you guys think? Should there be a fine or not? Absolutely they should!! But only $1500?? That's peanuts. I think it should be 10x that at least - or go to jail for several years. quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Personally I think if the vaccination against measles is effective, then every parent with kids who are vaccinated has no worries. When the kids who are not vaccinated get measles, IF every other kid is vaccinated, technically it shouldn't spread. Just the population that refuses vaccinations suffers, and it's their choice to take that risk! No need for fines. When their kids get measles, that should be consequences enough. And their kid dies from it?? It has been known. I don't think parents should have that responsibility. I don't see why kids should risk their lives because parents are shit ignorant.

Greta75 -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 9:19:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick And that was yet one more lie he told. To be fair, just like all these parents who refuse to vaccinate their children. I think they simply believe it is true for some reasons and are not convinced vaccination is safe.

servantforuse -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 9:35:45 AM)
When the parents are wrong and a child gets measles or another disease, the child suffers, not the parent. The kids have no say in mom or dads poor decision.

Termyn8or -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 9:50:18 AM)
Using FR Greta ; The controversy over this comes from them using a substance called thimerosal, which contains compounds of mercury, as a preservative. Though the link to autism spectrum disorders has been seemingly debunked, many do not accept the debunking. Mainly because mercury remains poisonous and to claim that you can inject into infants bodies is about like saying burning fossil fuel is cooling the Earth down. It is totally anti-logical. I mean it is advised that you limit any skin contact with mercury, but it is OK to inject it ? The anti-vax crowd has been dismissed by the mainstream sheeple who believe what the authorities tell them. That does not make their point invalid and I want to know one thing. If the thimerosal is harmless, WHY DID THEY REMOVE IT FROM MOST VACCINES ? I think they removed it to prevent a possible source of evidence of a strong link and the consequent billion dollar lawsuits. Why else ? Without the thimerosal the vaccines have a much shorter shelf life, maybe need to be reffrigerated or whatever. This costs the M O N E Y. In business, in the US at least, they are not allowed to make such a decision that costs the company money unless they really believe that not doing so will cost them more money in the future. The ONLY impetus for them to remove most of the thimerosal is financial, and the ONLY vehicle would be by lawsuits. That means that they themselves believe the link to autism spectrum diseases is real enough that if they keep it up the numbers will add up and they will lose a fucking huge lawsuit. They have doctors, lawyers and even their own actuaries to tell them these things. So what they SAY says the stuff is harmless, but what they DID says something else. The sheeple will be by to call be a tinfoil hatter or whatever, but remember the phrase "mad hatter"? Hatters used to custom shape leather hat with the fumes of a burning mercury compound. As early as the 1800s, or even before, it was firmly linked to neural problems, thus the phrase. So these brainiacs decided to put it in baby vaccines. Sounds about right for human stupidity. But then they took it out. If it is harmless why did they take it out ? That is my case and it is irrefutable. However, they did take the thimerosal out, so vaccines should be safe, except for that one they fucked up, the MMR ? Something like that, it gives you something like the measles. I don't know about the sheeple or anybody else, but I think things that make you break out in a rash should be avoided. But I guess that's just me. A doctor with the means to test these things had a bunch of kids, one with some autism of some type and degree. He tested hair samples of all his kids and they all had traces of mercury in their hair, except one. Guess which one. The one who was autistic but had gotten the same dosages of vaccines as all the others, full siblings here... His conclusion was that some people cannot excrete the mercury. Instead of most poisons that are excreted in the sweat, urine and actually hair, it is metabolised and I guess ends up in the brain. I think it is only harmful to a certain percentage of people. However there is no way to tell who. This guy, we are talking full siblings here, and one is adversely affected and the others are not. So DNA testing is probably not going to work. So they took the shit out. It might still be in the vaccines they send there. However, it is like maybe a 10 % chance anything bad comes of it. If you have socialised medicine there, they will be wary of requiring anything that would screw people up because it costs them money. We don't trust the medical industry here because they make money when we get sick. More and more actually. So just take the fucking vaccine. If it fucks people up, your government will take care of the company that did it. At least close down the whole market there. And youse people got scientists, if they send you vaccines with thimerosal and a bunch of autistic kids pop up and your people find a provable link, that leaves them open to so many lawsuits they would shit their pants. And they might not have as good control over your scientists. They shit their pants when they took the thimerosal out in the first place. They don't cost themselves money like that for nothing. T^T

Kaliko -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 9:50:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Personally I think if the vaccination against measles is effective, then every parent with kids who are vaccinated has no worries. When the kids who are not vaccinated get measles, IF every other kid is vaccinated, technically it shouldn't spread. Just the population that refuses vaccinations suffers, and it's their choice to take that risk! No need for fines. When their kids get measles, that should be consequences enough. The first dose of a measles vaccination is given at twelve months old in the U.S., I believe. So if my 11 month-old child is exposed to measles because another parent of an older child didn't vaccinate then yes, as a parent who has their child vaccinated, I would have to worry.

Kaliko -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 10:01:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or The controversy over this comes from them using a substance called thimerosal, which contains compounds of mercury, as a preservative. Though the link to autism spectrum disorders has been seemingly debunked, many do not accept the debunking. Mainly because mercury remains poisonous and to claim that you can inject into infants bodies is about like saying burning fossil fuel is cooling the Earth down. It is totally anti-logical. I mean it is advised that you limit any skin contact with mercury, but it is OK to inject it ? T^T I've looked into mercury only a very little bit because I have some silver fillings and I wanted to know how freaked out I should be about it. What I remember learning is that yes, the fillings contained mercury, but mixed with other substances - an amalgam filling. So while mercury on its own might be any issue, mercury mixed with these other compounds is not the same concern. My guess is that it would be the same type of thing with vaccinations?

WickedsDesire -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 10:11:55 AM)
freedomdwarf1 points his finger at him, not her, and calls him a witch. In many ways that is exactly what happened,freedomdwarf1, knows this, I know this. There is no evidence at all, not then, or not now. But I will not exclude the possibility. Autism has been on the rise the last two decades. The important thing to note here is that if one parent says there kid seemed normal up until that moment they would be ridiculed by their doctor medical profession. Same with two parents, three and so on, but when it gets to one thousand they should be heard, and reheard till the end of time. I myself have CFS, it has many names, and I got the flu jag about 18 years ago, and that made me very ill, long before I got an official CFS diagnosis. Whatever they injected me for that MRI scan, i forget what is in it, also made me very ill - that passed within 24 hours the flu shot 2 weeks - one is designed to be expelled from the system quickly the other not. My point being I agree with what freedom said, but not absolutely, and i almost entirely disagree with greta75 who basically implies you may be playing Russian roulette if children have these vaccinations

WhoreMods -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 10:12:32 AM)
It would be if they still put thimerisol in vaccines. The pissing and moaning from hysterical sorts has led to it being phased out as a preservative. Doesn't seem to have had much impact on the hysterical sorts, though. Hysteria's like that.

WhoreMods -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 10:15:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire freedomdwarf1 points his finger at him, not her, and calls him a witch. In many ways that is exactly what happened,freedomdwarf1, knows this, I know this. There is no evidence at all, not then, or not now. But I will not exclude the possibility. Autism has been on the rise the last two decades. The important thing to note here is that if one parent says there kid seemed normal up until that moment they would be ridiculed by their doctor medical profession. Same with two parents, three and so on, but when it gets to one thousand they should be heard, and reheard till the end of time. I myself have CFS, it has many names, and I got the flu jag about 18 years ago, and that made me very ill, long before I got an official CFS diagnosis. Whatever they injected me for that MRI scan, i forget what is in it, also made me very ill - that passed within 24 hours the flu shot 2 weeks - one is designed to be expelled from the system quickly the other not. My point being I agree with what freedom said, but not absolutely, and i almost entirely disagree with greta75 who basically implies you may be playing Russian roulette if children have these vaccinations I'm a lot more inclined to connect rising rates of autism with the definition being widened, improved screening, and autism being somewhat destigmatised so that Doctors will no longer diagnose it as almost anything else as was the case in the '50s and '60s, when autism was seen as a result of failed parenting.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 10:22:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Using FR Greta ; The controversy over this comes from them using a substance called thimerosal, which contains compounds of mercury, as a preservative. Though the link to autism spectrum disorders has been seemingly debunked, many do not accept the debunking. T^T The main vaccines used for children (measles, chickenpox, mumps, rubella, polio) do NOT contain thimerosal and haven't done for quite some time now. Thimerosal: Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound (an organomercurial). Since the 1930s, it has been widely used as a preservative in a number of biological and drug products, including many vaccines, to help prevent potentially life threatening contamination with harmful microbes. And goes on to say: because of an increasing awareness of the theoretical potential for neurotoxicity of even low levels of organomercurials... So you'd have to have quite a chronic adverse reaction to suffer from a single microgram of Thimerosal in a vaccination. It is still used in vaccines for Hepatitis, tetanus and some 'flu jabs. I think it's scaremongering to extreme because there is much more likelyhood of an adverse reaction to the live virus that is part of the vaccine than the miniscule inclusion of Thimerosal. Although it's true to say that some people are making it a controversial argument.

ReMakeYou -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 10:26:40 AM)
quote: Mainly because mercury remains poisonous and to claim that you can inject into infants bodies is about like saying burning fossil fuel is cooling the Earth down. It is totally anti-logical. I mean it is advised that you limit any skin contact with mercury, but it is OK to inject it ? Sodium is chemical that explodes violently on contact with water. Chlorine is a corrosive, toxic gas. It's an outrage that people think that when you mix them, it's okay to feed them to us and our children. And then ignoring the actual effects of thimerosal, you face two issues. First, companies will often react to public pressure even if it's scientifically baseless. (Remember the fuss over how Subway bread was formulated?) Second, if the fuss really was over this one specific preservative that's not in use any longer, why is the anti vaccination movement still going strong? quote: Personally I think if the vaccination against measles is effective, then every parent with kids who are vaccinated has no worries. When the kids who are not vaccinated get measles, IF every other kid is vaccinated, technically it shouldn't spread. Just the population that refuses vaccinations suffers, and it's their choice to take that risk! No need for fines. When their kids get measles, that should be consequences enough. Other people have brought up how it's unfair to let kids suffer because their parents had their heads up their asses. Not to mention people with actually compromised immune systems who need to depend on herd immunity. When the number of immune people falls below the critical threshold and an outbreak does happen, it's not as simple as shoveling away the sick kids and wringing our hands. Never mind the lifelong health issues that can result. Just the immediate aftermath can be a costly medical and PR issue. Since it's unlikely that the parents will pay junior's hospital costs out of pocket, there's nothing wrong with asking them to pay an extra risk premium.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 10:31:54 AM)
The screening argument is an utter fallacy whoremods I beseech you never to use that again (I have awaited all of time to use that word). Use your brain better, you have one, I have said before elsewhere. It is invalid, it doesn't matter if its; autisms, CFS-M.E - MS, depression, cancers, slipper pox etc, they are on the up, in the manner known as phenomenal We could make this one a long one and debate everything eg oh I dunno life expectancy times time(era) times(multiplier) location, latitude, altitude, foreign bodies, chemicals, toxins, pollution, vaccination - I am inclined off the belief that mother earth is saturated in toxins and us humans react to it. And we react to it, we need eons for us to adapt to it... say this periodically dont quote me verbatim I cam follow a page, a page of 50 quotes is a waste, and annoyance, anywhere. Edited to add, for WM I do not doubt that screening catches more "cases/diagnosis" but I equate that to a drop in the ocean of occurrences x our current time...asthma I forgot that one and peanut allergies etc..allergies ...wonders when polytar will be back on the market...and is still at a loss as to why it was removed.

WhoreMods -> RE: Autism and Vaccination (5/29/2016 10:40:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire The screening argument is an utter fallacy whoremods I beseech you never to use that again (I have awaited all of time to use that word). Use your brain better, you have one, I have said before elsewhere. It is invalid, it doesn't matter if its; autisms, CFS-M.E - MS, depression, cancers, slipper pox etc, they are on the up, in the manner known as phenomenal We could make this one a long one and debate everything eg oh I dunno life expectancy times time(era) times(multiplier) location, latitude, altitude, foreign bodies, chemicals, toxins, pollution - I am inclined off the belief that mother earth is saturated in toxins and us humans react to it. And we react to it, we need eons for us to adapt to it... say this periodically dont quote me verbatim I cam follow a page, a page of 50 quotes is a waste, and annoyance, anywhere. Okay, I'll bite: how is the fact that a load of conditions that used to be in their own box (aspergers is a good example) are now considered a form of autism a false argument? How is the fact that they will now diagnose people who are functional as autistic, rather than the medical establishment saving the label for people who can't do much besides drool and play with themselves, irrelevant to this? I'm not saying that there aren't other factors involved (the exploding population you refer to is definitely a factor), but there's no question that a lot of people who wouldn't have been diagnosed as autistic thirty or forty years ago are now getting labelled as such.

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