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RE: HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - 6/1/2016 12:52:27 PM

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Well, that's where an awful lot of rightist islamophobia seems to come from, isn't it? They'd like to live in a state that pretends it's still the fourteenth century and gay rights and women's lib don't exist, but instead of converting to Islam and fucking off to an Arab country, they want to turn the clock back to the witch trials and impose puritanism over here.

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RE: HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - 6/1/2016 1:17:40 PM

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Well, that's where an awful lot of rightist islamophobia seems to come from, isn't it? They'd like to live in a state that pretends it's still the fourteenth century and gay rights and women's lib don't exist, but instead of converting to Islam and fucking off to an Arab country, they want to turn the clock back to the witch trials and impose puritanism over here.

Yes it is. All you said and imposing dry counties, too. I guess it's only becon keeping them from converting.

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RE: HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - 6/1/2016 1:44:07 PM

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oh, and if it hasn't happened already, its fairly inevitable that some liberal will judge rational, substantive and reality based criticisms of islam as "islamaphobia."

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RE: HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - 6/1/2016 1:54:03 PM

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I'm not here to defend islam I think it's false as anyohter religion, and create a frtile ground for a lot of oppressing and draconian tradicion to prosper and be alive in a century where superstition has no place. I also think there is a regressive left both in the usa and in europe that has to be stopped because it's dangerouse for the survival of the progresses secularism has brought into western societies in the last 200 years. But it's also true that those persons that are actually opposing other progresses in western society are conservative christians and so they are actually making more damage to western people. This last point is exactly the reason why this video is stupid and creates a false dicotomy, no one was actually damaged here, the gay people who sued and won against the christin bakers were humiliated and proved in court damages, when a muslim baker will get away after creating provable economical and psychological damages to a gay couple we can have a discussion. Another thing I don't like in this video and that is scary is the point this persons are making, they are basically saying "why can't we be like the islamics? we want to discriminate like they seem allowed to do" so there is no critique of islamics but they actually want to do the same wrong things.

No they are saying if it is wrong for us it should be wrong for them and if it is ok for them why is it wrong for us.
They are not so much asking to be allowed to discriminate since Moslems are but claiming discrimination because Christians and Moslem are not treated equally under the law.

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RE: HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - 6/1/2016 1:57:20 PM

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oh, and if it hasn't happened already, its fairly inevitable that some liberal will judge rational, substantive and reality based criticisms of islam as "islamaphobia."

If I see a fact filled reality criticism of islam posted by you or any rw? I will tell you.
That discounts 99.9 % of yours.
What some lefties are agreeing, is that Islam is not a perfect religion, But NONE of them are. And to point out the hypocrisy.
Because the talibangelical "christians" are just as ugly.
Not to mention the other fanatical factions of MOST religions that like violence and converting people.
Get that mote out of your eye.

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RE: HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - 6/1/2016 2:09:31 PM

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oh, and if it hasn't happened already, its fairly inevitable that some liberal will judge rational, substantive and reality based criticisms of islam as "islamaphobia."

some yes, as I told there is a problem but again the people in the video were not actually condemning the discriminatory behaviour, they were defending and normalizing it. There are actually fair cases, one I can point it out is new year's eve in cologne during the celebrations there had been a massive number of rapes from islamic refugees on german women the next day some leftist groups organized a demostration to defend the islamics from being generalized, instead of worring for the safety of the women that were among them. Two days later I was listening a talk show on the radio while driving and three persons were making the same point, an evangelist female minister also said that it was not religion the problem, it's a normal male behaviour the real culprit was alchool because there was a lot of alchool at that party and those two morons of the host and the other guest (a social worker) basically accepting to be defined potential rapists for the sake containing the outrage against the muslim community.

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RE: HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - 6/1/2016 2:19:48 PM

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No they are saying if it is wrong for us it should be wrong for them and if it is ok for them why is it wrong for us.
They are not so much asking to be allowed to discriminate since Moslems are but claiming discrimination because Christians and Moslem are not treated equally under the law.

I undesrtand you have problems with nuances, but there are many kinds of laws, this anti-discrimination laws are not part of criminal law but civil one, it's not like assoult that police will come and arrest you, if you discriminate in a way to make damage than you are liable in a civil case, I assume some christian findamentalist bakers didn't verbally insulted the customers found a legit excuse to not execute the job and are fine just like this muslims that were caught in a candid camera. Do you have a case of a mislim being sued for discriminting gays and getting away with it? if so please provide a link if not try to not make a fool of yourself writing nonsense.

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RE: HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - 6/1/2016 2:21:33 PM

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oh, and if it hasn't happened already, its fairly inevitable that some liberal will judge rational, substantive and reality based criticisms of islam as "islamaphobia."

As a matter of fact, there's been at least one moslem lawsuit against Charlie Hebdo where a frightfully liberal (all of these European beaks are lefties, after all) found against the mosque that brought the case.

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RE: HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - 6/1/2016 2:54:28 PM

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oh, and if it hasn't happened already, its fairly inevitable that some liberal will judge rational, substantive and reality based criticisms of islam as "islamaphobia."

As a matter of fact, there's been at least one moslem lawsuit against Charlie Hebdo where a frightfully liberal (all of these European beaks are lefties, after all) found against the mosque that brought the case.

In this country.

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RE: HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - 6/1/2016 3:32:24 PM

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No they are saying if it is wrong for us it should be wrong for them and if it is ok for them why is it wrong for us.
They are not so much asking to be allowed to discriminate since Moslems are but claiming discrimination because Christians and Moslem are not treated equally under the law.

I undesrtand you have problems with nuances, but there are many kinds of laws, this anti-discrimination laws are not part of criminal law but civil one, it's not like assoult that police will come and arrest you, if you discriminate in a way to make damage than you are liable in a civil case, I assume some christian findamentalist bakers didn't verbally insulted the customers found a legit excuse to not execute the job and are fine just like this muslims that were caught in a candid camera. Do you have a case of a mislim being sued for discriminting gays and getting away with it? if so please provide a link if not try to not make a fool of yourself writing nonsense.

No, but as you may have noticed there is documentation that Moslems do it and nobody seems to care. The fact that it never goes as far as suing Moslems demonstrates the bias. You seem to have dificulty understanding that.

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RE: HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - 6/1/2016 3:44:58 PM

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Leftists have danced all over this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12138075/Gay-marriage-cake-appeal-by-Christian-bakery-is-halted.html

While they likely seem silent over this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4

When muslims do it, it never happened at all!

Bollocks........ The top case is in the UK, while the second is in the US. Therefore you cant equate the two.

Then again are you seriously suggesting there are no gay right wing politicians. Even you cant be that fucking stupid.

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RE: HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - 6/2/2016 12:47:02 PM

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No, but as you may have noticed there is documentation that Moslems do it and nobody seems to care. The fact that it never goes as far as suing Moslems demonstrates the bias. You seem to have dificulty understanding that.

How can demostrate the bias? you are just illogical.

By the way I didn't want to get in the specifics of the video because it's irrelevant, but the editing is biased: there were 3 bakeries in the video, in one there was just an oven operating with wood where they did bread and pies (I suppose some kind of pizza too) and no cakes and I wouldn't do one in that oven because it wouldn't cook fine, another one never refused anithing the editing cuts just before the lady's answer, they just asked which kind of wedding when he did the request that it's a fair question because if it's in the inside or the outside is important for the frosting choice, the third one said he has not the machine to print pictures on the cake he was ok with writing "groom and groom" "ben loves steven forever" just couldn't do pictures.

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