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Greta75 -> swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/2/2016 6:39:07 PM)

Is this better than Bernie Sanders plan or what?

Talk about eliminating poverty.

I wonder how will they support the whole population though.

And do you think this will cause mass people to quit their jobs?

Personally, I would quit working if I got 2500 a month. It's just freedom to go pursue other things that I wanna pursue without having to worry about work.

I hope Swiss actually makes this go through, because we need one country to be a guinea pig to see if this is positive or negative for the country.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-pay-idUSBRE9930O620131004



tj444 -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/2/2016 7:15:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

Is this better than Bernie Sanders plan or what?

Talk about eliminating poverty.

I wonder how will they support the whole population though.

And do you think this will cause mass people to quit their jobs?

Personally, I would quit working if I got 2500 a month. It's just freedom to go pursue other things that I wanna pursue without having to worry about work.

I hope Swiss actually makes this go through, because we need one country to be a guinea pig to see if this is positive or negative for the country.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-pay-idUSBRE9930O620131004

I dont have enough info to judge.. I think there are factors that need to be considered.. I thought Switzerland was a fairly expensive place to live, so maybe the 2500/m isnt enough to sit on yer duff..

I do really like some of their other ideas tho-

"Swiss voters backed some of the world's strictest controls on executive pay, forcing public companies to give shareholders a binding vote on compensation.

A separate proposal to limit monthly executive pay to no more than what the company's lowest-paid staff earn in a year, the so-called 1:12 initiative, faces a popular vote on November 24."



Termyn8or -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/2/2016 7:21:15 PM)

That will never ever happen in the US.

T^T



Greta75 -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/2/2016 7:28:48 PM)

As I have fully paid up for my home, 2500 is more than enough for me to survive a month quite comfortably. If I still had to pay my home loan, then I probably still gotta work.

Plus generally I am a low maintenance person.



blnymph -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 12:18:21 AM)

This is how direct democracy works - the Swiss people voting about laws

tj is right Switzerland is a very expensive place so the sum is rather a basic income covering basic costs of living, in fact effective only for those whose income is lower than 2500 SFr right now

further informations:
about the democratic mechanism of popular vote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_initiative_%28Switzerland%29


about the initiative (only available in German and Swedish at present):
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative_Grundeinkommen#Eidgen.C3.B6ssische_Volksinitiative_F.C3.BCr_ein_bedingungsloses_Grundeinkommen_2012.2F2013



OsideGirl -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 12:24:52 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75


I hope Swiss actually makes this go through, because we need one country to be a guinea pig to see if this is positive or negative for the country.




1) We've already had the gunea pig countries

and

2)Have you read the study done by the college professor who graded by average? The spoungers don't try at all and the achievers eventually give up.



Dvr22999874 -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 12:50:43 AM)

Do the Swiss have a 'Black Economy', ( work for cash in hand and no questions asked ), as we do here and as there is in UK and a couple of other countries I could name ?



servantforuse -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 4:56:40 AM)

Where will the money come from If a majority of people like yourself quit working ? If you want to see if this will work, read up on what is going on in Greece.



blnymph -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 5:07:28 AM)

you can read about the various models how it could be financed IF the swiss people votes for it and the Ständerat agrees in the (2nd) link I posted above

es könnte es wert sein, dafür etwas Deutsch zu lernen ... [:)]

it has nothing to do with Greece though



servantforuse -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 5:11:03 AM)

Eventually you will run out of other peoples money.



blnymph -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 5:17:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Eventually you will run out of other peoples money.


I am no expert in national economy - just read the discussion in the link before guessing

btw I am not Swiss but German but these things have been discussed in both countries for a few years by now.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 5:36:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Eventually you will run out of other peoples money.

From what little I've heard about it, the scheme is financed by saving on the benefits system and topped-up by extra taxes paid by those that work and by businesses.
Swiss banks make an absolute mint because most of the customers are super-rich.

According to one site I looked at, the 'breadline' in Switzerland is about $2,053 (SFr 2,480) per month for a single person. So $2,500 isn't all that great.

Will it work??
I don't honestly think so because there will be less people willing to work for little extra and businesses won't like the extra taxes imposed upon them to pay for it.

It would be interesting to see if they can make it work and keep it viable.



servantforuse -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 5:50:12 AM)

As for myself, I'm not willing to work extra and pay more in taxes to support those who will quit and go on the public dole.



Greta75 -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 5:51:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
According to one site I looked at, the 'breadline' in Switzerland is about $2,053 (SFr 2,480) per month for a single person. So $2,500 isn't all that great.


To me right, if that covers breadline, it's freaking great already! That's all you really need. To survive.



Greta75 -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 5:52:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

As for myself, I'm not willing to work extra and pay more in taxes to support those who will quit and go on the public dole.

If Swiss people don't wish to work after this is implemented, solution number 2 is to employ foreigners and tax them like crazy so they can support the swiss people!

Wa la! Plus it's Europe, they got so many countries easy access to them that can work in their country.



blnymph -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 5:53:05 AM)

the sum in question is 2500 Swiss Francs per month, not 2500 $



Staleek -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 5:58:09 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

Is this better than Bernie Sanders plan or what?

Talk about eliminating poverty.

I wonder how will they support the whole population though.

And do you think this will cause mass people to quit their jobs?

Personally, I would quit working if I got 2500 a month. It's just freedom to go pursue other things that I wanna pursue without having to worry about work.

I hope Swiss actually makes this go through, because we need one country to be a guinea pig to see if this is positive or negative for the country.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-pay-idUSBRE9930O620131004


I'd work for free if I didn't need the money. A lot of people really enjoy their jobs.

Of course there are the rest. The people who do absolutely vital but disgusting jobs. The people who kill rats, take away our garbage, and public toilets. The answer to this is simple - make those jobs attractive. Increase their wages massively with a subsidy paid for by putting capital gains tax and corporation tax to 90%-95% and attempt to eliminate any other means of getting unearned income.

People like myself who have fulfilling careers can probably pay more tax as well. It's just low as hell here now at 40%



Greta75 -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 6:01:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Staleek
I'd work for free if I didn't need the money. A lot of people really enjoy their jobs.

I have a big problem that I don't enjoy any job, even when I am working on my passion, whenever I get paid.

So I end up doing alot of things for free on the side which I don't consider jobs.

I started in life with the traditional advice of go pursue what you love doing. I went to do exactly what I love doing. And then I grew to hate it.

Now I do what I used to do for free and I am learning to love it again. And I choose a job I hate doing but it pays the bills.

It's just, weird the way I work.




blnymph -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 6:04:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

If Swiss people don't wish to work after this is implemented, solution number 2 is to employ foreigners and tax them like crazy so they can support the swiss people!

Wa la! Plus it's Europe, they got so many countries easy access to them that can work in their country.


again: before guessing get proper information

here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_immigration_referendum,_February_2014

Switzerland is no EU member but joined the Schengen treaty



Greta75 -> RE: swiss possible 2500 monthly income for all (6/3/2016 6:05:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: blnymph


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

If Swiss people don't wish to work after this is implemented, solution number 2 is to employ foreigners and tax them like crazy so they can support the swiss people!

Wa la! Plus it's Europe, they got so many countries easy access to them that can work in their country.


again: before guessing get proper information

here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_immigration_referendum,_February_2014

Switzerland is no EU member but joined the Schengen treaty

When I said easy access, I mean proximity of distance to several countries around them. I never said they were a EU member.



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