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Termyn8or -> RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? (6/8/2016 8:07:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I'm not sure what you are saying here... I will agree that many Americans have a domineering personality and this is why they rebel against authority.

Otherwise I do not think they would migrate to Trump because he is an authoritarian out of fear. It is not" fear" to be aware of the possibility of terrorism and be prepared. It is just the can do and I'll do it attitude many Americans have.

Butch

The "can do and I'll do it attitude that most Americans have"

What is it that individual Americans (or Europeans, or Brits, or Jews) can do or will do to fight terrorism? When you examine it the answer seems to be "nothing much." Individually, we are helpless. For that reason they turn to strong men who demagogue the issue and offer empty solutions. Take Trump's solutions, for examples: bomb the shit out of them, keep them from immigrating to our shores, and build a wall. None of these are practical answers but his followers turn a deaf ear and pretend Trump is so tough we will all be safe. Examined closely, you will see cold fear creeping under the tent.


I disagree. I am not really a Trump supporter, I have not supported anyone of these assholes in a long time. But if he can get the border closed that will help to eliminate them as a NEW source of destruction, enabling their warfare.

Here is how the fuck it is : The sins of the government (big biz) will visit upon the People and they will be required to fight in wars and then put up with retaliation, after said US government totally underestimated the capabilities of others.

These fucking politicians got some idea that all innovation comes from the US when that is lightyears away from the truth. We can't even build a fucking rocket to get up to our own satellites. And they put sanctions on the people who build the rockets they buy for this purpose.

I an starting to think more and more that this is just a show put out on for our entertainment, and to make us think we have any freedom.

What can YOU change in the world ? What can THEY change in the world. Get it ? Got it, good.

Even at the time of the revolutionary war freedom was never going to happen. It is an ideal, and is not achievable. You want true freedom you take your family out to like the outback in Australia and might get eaten by crocs, or Florida and instead eaten by gators. Or African countries which have a plethora of species' that would find you and your kids mighty tasty.

The worst part of my observations of the human condition is that intellect is being lost. I have few friends but they are quality friends. We do not talk much about the gout, or Auntie May, more about how human society is. And of course politics. And science.

But we are in the minority. Others may want to talk about Jerry Springer or the Bieber kid, or some show or video game or sports, but not my crowd. My one friend, the kid I call him, he told me today he only has like two or three friends. He is 23 years old, he should be all over the place. But the "illogicilality" of it all turns him off. He wants to talk science and politics and some sociology. He is young, it will be a long time before he is half my age. But he likes logic and thinking things out.

23/55 How does that work out ? Doesn't matter. Nothing matters when you get to where I am. And this kid, as I call him, may be the future of this country.

Anyway, about Trump, go ahead and bomb them and then you can't leave the country just like the Bushes can't. And soon to join that list will be Obama. Not so sure about Bill Clinton, but if his olady isn't wanted by the Hague by now, if she gets elected she certainly will be by the time she gets done.

The democrat party was stoooooopid even to run her. The republicans had nobody, so Trump snuck in. We are in for one hell of a ride. If Clinton gets elected to the big chair, again, her powers are limited by checks and balances. And the supreme court will not be friendly to extreme measures effected by executive order. However she can start a war and has said she wants to.

Your call, "America".

T^T




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? (6/8/2016 9:18:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

thats funny....from your own post http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4905280
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I never saw protesters until we left, hurling insults from across the street. Due to all the violence in past events I believe they seperated us. I'm proud to say not one arrest was made nor violent eruption.
May 1, 2016. Also named Mayday! If you know history you know what the term means. Vote in the primaries tomorrow!!!!
Fun facts:
The county I live in has uncannily predicted 30 out of 32 presidential elections.

When I left the building and the insults were being hurled I did a modified dance like this at them with my Trump sign for fun! I'm crazy like that.


Why are you finding humor easy Lucy goosy?
I waved my trump sign. We had to cross the street to go past the protesters to get to the parking garage. Are you trying to mAke me out as a liar? There were no arrests because the place was guarded like the Kings palace and that's the only reason. I didn't show my ass lie I do on here but I did give the stare down. I had no desire to give nothing but a defeating smile.
Now you on the other hand I would gladly go to jail if you had been a protester and I knew it. Your head snatched bald and your boobs deflated before the police pulled me ft of you.

I find you absolutely hillarious for a bigoted ugly fuckwad useless waste of shit who likes to make death threats and pretense of being the police.
You are all mouth and noise.
I just repeated what you said.
your little fantasy is hysterical. As are all your fantasist posts.
I have to wonder why, when we can be anything on the internet, so many people choose to be violent cunts.




vincentML -> RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? (6/9/2016 8:19:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Vince I personally don't turn to Trump for anything...but.. you must remember long before Trump came on the scene Republicans and independent conservatives thought the US should have finished the wars...whatever it took. Not out of fear but with the conviction that if we engage in a war we need to finish it and not throw our young men and women lives away for nothing... That is what you are seeing not turning to a blowhard out of fear.

Butch
Butch, how do we know when a war is finished? WW1 began in 1914 but did not truly end until 1945, or if you really wish to stretch it, not until 1989. And why do we continue a fight when it seems not to be righteous?




vincentML -> RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? (6/9/2016 8:25:24 AM)

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I find you absolutely hillarious for a bigoted ugly fuckwad useless waste of shit who likes to make death threats and pretense of being the police.
You are all mouth and noise.
I just repeated what you said.
your little fantasy is hysterical. As are all your fantasist posts.
I have to wonder why, when we can be anything on the internet, so many people choose to be violent cunts.

Lucy, don't blame the poor, disheveled child. Perhaps there is a chapter in her copy of the New Testament which we are not privy to.




kdsub -> RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? (6/9/2016 9:52:59 AM)

You are talking to the choir Vince...wars are never logical they are always fraught with emotion. Just a personal opinion I believe the ruling generation in America is still feeling the sting of Vietnam. As a Vietnam vet I saw the same kind of war in the middle east that killed 40,000 plus Americans... for nothing. I was for getting those responsible but not for nation building...So I was and am against spending one more drop of our children's blood on people that hate our guts... BUT...I believe many Vets and our generation just do not want another defeat... otherwise they are fighting the war for the wrong reasons.

Butch




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? (6/9/2016 10:17:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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I find you absolutely hillarious for a bigoted ugly fuckwad useless waste of shit who likes to make death threats and pretense of being the police.
You are all mouth and noise.
I just repeated what you said.
your little fantasy is hysterical. As are all your fantasist posts.
I have to wonder why, when we can be anything on the internet, so many people choose to be violent cunts.

Lucy, don't blame the poor, disheveled child. Perhaps there is a chapter in her copy of the New Testament which we are not privy to.

There's several: Twatt (son of Twatt, son of Feckwitt, son of Nobend), Idjit (a mate of Luke's who didn't make the apostles as he wasn't all there) and Trump (who was expelled from the apostles for constant flatulence from both ends and having the worst hair in the middle east.)
This is the true and proper new testament that the PC liberals don't want people reading...




vincentML -> RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? (6/9/2016 1:40:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

You are talking to the choir Vince...wars are never logical they are always fraught with emotion. Just a personal opinion I believe the ruling generation in America is still feeling the sting of Vietnam. As a Vietnam vet I saw the same kind of war in the middle east that killed 40,000 plus Americans... for nothing. I was for getting those responsible but not for nation building...So I was and am against spending one more drop of our children's blood on people that hate our guts... BUT...I believe many Vets and our generation just do not want another defeat... otherwise they are fighting the war for the wrong reasons.

Butch

Hey Butch . ..

1. American boys were royally screwed by the pols in Vietnam. . . starting with Eisenhower. No doubt.

2. War in the ME that killed 40,000? Do you mean Iraq and 4500?

3. Getting those responsible? For what? The Twin Towers? Saddam had no hand in that.

4. The righteousness of a war does not depend on whether we win or lose, imo. It is defined by international law and custom, by circumstance. Maybe Korea was righteous. But I have serious doubts about any other invasion we undertook after that. We were not under imminent danger anywhere or at anytime. Some will argue that we had to act to avoid another Twin Tower-like attack. Maybe so, but massing 200,000 troops in the wrong country hardly seems reasonable. Look to JFK's solution to the Cuban Missile threat as a successful alternative.

5. Our invasion of Afghanistan drove bin Laden into hiding. If we had waited we would have gotten his ass, I think. Maybe sooner even.

6. The political posturing and the public fear after 9/11 made war unavoidable, but not righteous.

Vinnie




kdsub -> RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? (6/9/2016 5:25:02 PM)

No the 40000 was off the top of my head for deaths in Vietnam... For nothing.... Most likely more.


Butch




vincentML -> RE: Trump's Appeal: to authoritarianism? (6/10/2016 11:38:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

No the 40000 was off the top of my head for deaths in Vietnam... For nothing.... Most likely more.
Butch

Clear. Thank you. I think the number was closer to 55,000. A greater tragedy because it was fought on pretext, propaganda, and lies supported by false jingoistic patriotism and Cold War paranoia. I was fortunate. I had finished my draft duty before 1960.

Vince




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