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Greta75 -> Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/7/2016 6:29:58 PM)

It always bothers me, actually recently I was watching an interview with Justin Trudeau, and he was defending the Hijab as, being against women wearing it, is still telling them what to wear!

Now I think this Muslim woman has explained very clearly what is the problem with it, more articulately than I can explain my feelings towards it.

What do some major fashion companies have to celebrate in the Muslim holy month of Ramadan? Business opportunities and profits.

Ramadan, which begins this week, involves daily fasts that start at sunrise and end at sunset with community dinners at home or on the town. A growing number of fashion lines have been catering to Muslim women — and the social gatherings on their calendars — by offering Ramadan collections. Dolce & Gabbana, H&M, Oscar de la Renta, DKNY and others are marketing apparel that ranges from “modest wear” to full-body veils. A model in a Marks & Spencer burkini (Muslim swimwear that covers all the body, including the hair) was the lead image in a recent New York Times article about Muslim fashion.

Surprisingly, these clothing lines are supported by many who argue that women should have the “freedom” to choose what to wear. In fact, the headline over the Times piece was “What Freedom Looks Like.”

But one cannot read too much into such so-called freedom. After all, hijab, which means “curtain” or “screen” in Arabic, is meant to cover women's hair in public because according to Islamic laws, it's considered provocative. Men, on the other hand, do not have to hide their hair. In other words, women are objectified and controlled because the focus is more about their bodies and their provocativeness than their individuality. At least compared with men! Also, in some Islamic countries, such as Iran and Saudi Arabia, wearing a daily hijab is a requirement that, if not obeyed, carries severe penalties, including torture and death.

Even so, many who live in non-Islamic countries publicly advocate ads with veiled women as being part of the freedom to choose what to wear. These supporters mainly fall into two categories. First are the intellectuals, such as writers, philosophers and feminists, who passionately argue that women should have the right to wear whatever they want, including apparel that reflects their religious beliefs. The second are the savvy marketers who use every and any opportunity to sell their products and make profits.

The intellectuals, God bless their souls, do have good intentions. They come up with some amazing and complex analysis and explanations in favor of such fashion trends, all in the name of supporting women and freedom. But they’re not seeing the unequivocal yet malicious reasons behind why Islam requires women to cover their hair.The thought process and intentions of savvy marketers, on the other hand, are soulless and corporate. They just want to make money. And who in their right business mind could blame them? The Islamic market is a giant gold mine. Muslim consumers spent $230 billion clothing in 2014 and could be spending $327 billion by 2020, according to a report last year on the global Islamic economy.

Some of the richest countries in the world, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Dubai and United Arab Emirates, are part of this market. And it really doesn’t matter what values these countries have or how they treat women. As long as they can spend, these marketers are ready to oblige.

While the intellectuals and the marketers might have very different intentions and reasons for their support of hijab, they’re sending the same message to the world — one that says wearing a hijab is acceptable, it's beautiful, it's trendy and, most of all, it’s part of a woman’s personal freedom.

But let’s not be fooled by these ads into thinking that hijab is a means of self- or fashion expression. Hijab is a serious issue, not a passing trend. It doesn’t come and go like baggy jeans, short skirts, or pointed-toe shoes. It dates to 627 C.E. (common era) and has caused women severe punishments and deaths throughout the years (although this is not something you would’ve read in the fine print under DKNY’s first-ever Ramadan collection ads, launched in 2014).

Next time you see a fashion company ad featuring a model wrapped in a headscarf or behind a veil, please don't assume that this is what freedom looks like. This is what money-driven marketing looks like. And yes, this is what misogyny looks like.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/06/05/ramadan-hijab-burkini-not-freedom-column/85247892/




Greta75 -> RE: Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/7/2016 6:32:08 PM)

I just feel like, wearing Hijab is the same as donning a Swastika. It's insensitive towards women who got stoned to death for refusing to wear it. I don't think it should be celebrated as freedom, since it has caused the oppression of many women.
The other thing is, I totally understand that if I go into Muslim turf, and if they require women to dress like their requirements. I would do it, because I chose to step into their Territory and this is how they do things.

But when they enter the non-muslim world, they should do the same, and dress like we dress. What bothers me is more and more work place are allowing Muslim women to deviate from the standard uniform by wearing head scarfs too. I'm just thinking of all the poor women who got beheaded and beaten for not wearing head scarfs in the past, and it's taunting. Hijab is not a ethnic or cultural attire at all. It was invented by some 7th Century barbarian self-made warlord to dictate what women should wear.

Bill Hicks the comedian once mentioned he doesn't understand why Christian wears crosses, since it was used for Jesus most horrific and painful death. It's like, his murder weapon and his followers keep flaunting it, like, if I was nailed on the cross, left to bleed to death, that would be fucked up to keep reminding me of that traumatic day and flaunting it constantly. It's the same thing. But since nailing on crosses is kinda mostly illegal everywhere now, so that's fine. But women getting tortured and murdered for refusing to wear hijab is still prevalent today. I just can't stand it when women, especially non-muslim women celebrate it as freedom.




stef -> RE: Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/7/2016 11:00:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I just feel like, wearing Hijab is the same as donning a Swastika.

Well, you're an idiot so this is hardly surprising.




Lucylastic -> RE: Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/7/2016 11:01:51 PM)

more baiting
not biting.




Staleek -> RE: Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/8/2016 2:53:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I just feel like, wearing Hijab is the same as donning a Swastika.


And I just feel like, your posts are like forum cancer.




Termyn8or -> RE: Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/8/2016 3:08:14 AM)

FR

I think some of them would rather wear it so as not to get raped.

T^T




WhoreMods -> RE: Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/8/2016 4:50:07 AM)

Stoned to death, rather than raped, a lot of the time.




DommeinRochester -> RE: Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/8/2016 7:40:29 AM)

And I just think you spend your days looking for things about Muslims that piss you off.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/8/2016 8:58:02 AM)

If a woman wants to wear a hijab she has that right, same as she has the right to wear a bikini.




eulero83 -> RE: Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/8/2016 9:22:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

If a woman wants to wear a hijab she has that right, same as she has the right to wear a bikini.


what if a woman decide to wear the hijab out of fear of social ostracism, so I'm not talking about what might happen in a country where it's mandatory, but in a western one, does she actually have a right to wear a bikini without her life to be impacted negatively? And is it important that her choice is free from coercion?




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/8/2016 2:31:21 PM)

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what if a woman decide to wear the hijab out of fear of social ostracism

Her reasons for her choice are up to her.

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does she actually have a right to wear a bikini without her life to be impacted negatively?

No, same as me, my choice to wear whatever I want does not imply there will be no negative consequences to that choice. For example, it is legal here in Ontario for me to go topless, however I fully accept that there will be undesirable reults of me doing so. Should there be? no. Will there be? yes. Such is life
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And is it important that her choice is free from coercion?

Of course, however having the government banning one of the options is unacceptable.




Greta75 -> RE: Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/8/2016 9:02:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

I think some of them would rather wear it so as not to get raped.

T^T

If only it actually stops rape.




Greta75 -> RE: Hijab does not celebrate women's freedom to wear they want (6/8/2016 9:05:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: eulero83
what if a woman decide to wear the hijab out of fear of social ostracism, so I'm not talking about what might happen in a country where it's mandatory, but in a western one, does she actually have a right to wear a bikini without her life to be impacted negatively? And is it important that her choice is free from coercion?

Women can wear whatever they want. Just like people can tattoo a swastika whenever they want. Or wear a big swastika t-shirt, whatever!

BUT the big problem here is. Imagine if it's now fashionable to wear swastika designs on clothes? Nazi fashion is in! I mean, THAT is the big problem! Fashion companies promoting Hijab fashion as the equivalent to freedom. When it's THE clothings that represent oppression.

That is super fucked up!






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