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Termyn8or -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/9/2016 6:40:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic he can say what he likes, but until his lawyers actually do something legal towards getting the judge off the case , its all mouth and hot air. crying manbaby ignorance. How can you claim to know law when you don't know how fucking hard it is to remove a judge in this country ? T^T

Wayward5oul -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/9/2016 6:53:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Identifying with the culture you grew up in is not the same as shame in neither ancestry nor heritage. I think it is being ashamed of your roots and denying your roots. To say that because I was not born in Italy, I don't identify as an Italian. Even though my parents are Italian, my grandparents are Italian. I just don't understand the whole denial. My grandmother was native american. I have never stepped foot on a reservation. I know nothing of the language, spiritual beliefs, etc that part of my heritage. It is interesting to me now to go back and learn about some of those things, and I wish that I had been raised with some sort of connection with the culture that would make me identify with it today. But I wasn't. So I can shout from the rooftops til I am hoarse that I have native American ancestry, but it doesn't change the fact that I feel no personal connection to it. That doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with being ashamed of anything. That may be how you choose to interpret it, but you are wrong.

Termyn8or -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/9/2016 6:56:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Identifying with the culture you grew up in is not the same as shame in neither ancestry nor heritage. I think it is being ashamed of your roots and denying your roots. To say that because I was not born in Italy, I don't identify as an Italian. Even though my parents are Italian, my grandparents are Italian. I just don't understand the whole denial. I am an honorary Italian. We were connected and the shit hit the fan, seriously. A bunch of people were looking at racketeering and whatnot but I spoke two words in court that kept all that shit from happening. They were quite grateful. We treat people right who treat us right. It is not a mafia or a mob, it is just a bunch or reasonable people who make money on the side doing slightly illegal shit. The really bad ones moved into government because that is the best place from which to run the "protection" rackets, and that is now mostly what this government does. They do not protect the borders, nor people from crime, or lies in the media, nor, well just what DO they protect us from ? Nothing, for a half a fucking trillion a year. Lies and bullshit ? Everything they say is lies and bullshit. T^T

Wayward5oul -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/9/2016 6:58:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic he can say what he likes, but until his lawyers actually do something legal towards getting the judge off the case , its all mouth and hot air. crying manbaby ignorance. How can you claim to know law when you don't know how fucking hard it is to remove a judge in this country ? T^T So the solution is to just whine about it to anyone who will listen rather than even try to take the steps necessary to get him removed from the case? Because there is a process for doing so. He can whine like a baby all day long while his lawyers file the necessary paperwork and at least attempt the process. Its not like Trump is shy about legal filings or anything. But it won't happen because even his lawyers know it is bullshit. So his only recourse is to whine, like he has whined about everything.

Wayward5oul -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/9/2016 7:03:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul Identifying with the culture you grew up in is not the same as shame in neither ancestry nor heritage. I think it is being ashamed of your roots and denying your roots. To say that because I was not born in Italy, I don't identify as an Italian. Even though my parents are Italian, my grandparents are Italian. I just don't understand the whole denial. And he hasn't denied anything. He freely acknowledges the Italian ties in his family. Maybe you need to refresh your memory on the definitions of 'shame' and 'denial'. You keep using those words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

Greta75 -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/9/2016 7:07:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul My grandmother was native american. I have never stepped foot on a reservation. I know nothing of the language, spiritual beliefs, etc that part of my heritage. It is interesting to me now to go back and learn about some of those things, and I wish that I had been raised with some sort of connection with the culture that would make me identify with it today. But I wasn't. So I can shout from the rooftops til I am hoarse that I have native American ancestry, but it doesn't change the fact that I feel no personal connection to it. That doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with being ashamed of anything. That may be how you choose to interpret it, but you are wrong. In your case, it's just one grandmother. In my case, both my parents are Chinese. In vincent case, both his parents are Italian. In your case, that is very far away. But in Vincent and my case, it's like, but it's our parents! Like the very people who birth us, for my parents, I was birthed by two pure chinese, so no way I am ever gonna not identify as a Chinese. If someone was birth by two pure Mexicans from Mexico, which the judge parents were too. Then he is Mexican. His parents were legal immigrants from Mexico. His line is very close. Geographical location where you were born gives you your nationality. And you will learn the culture of that geographical location and absorb, but there is no way, you don't have Mexican culture in you, with parents who are direct Mexicans. Just like, I am expose to alot of traditional Chinese culture, because my parents are Chinese. And those are culture that Singaporeans of other races will not practice.

Wayward5oul -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/9/2016 7:22:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul My grandmother was native american. I have never stepped foot on a reservation. I know nothing of the language, spiritual beliefs, etc that part of my heritage. It is interesting to me now to go back and learn about some of those things, and I wish that I had been raised with some sort of connection with the culture that would make me identify with it today. But I wasn't. So I can shout from the rooftops til I am hoarse that I have native American ancestry, but it doesn't change the fact that I feel no personal connection to it. That doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with being ashamed of anything. That may be how you choose to interpret it, but you are wrong. In your case, it's just one grandmother. In my case, both my parents are Chinese. In vincent case, both his parents are Italian. In your case, that is very far away. But in Vincent and my case, it's like, but it's our parents! Like the very people who birth us, for my parents, I was birthed by two pure chinese, so no way I am ever gonna not identify as a Chinese. If someone was birth by two pure Mexicans from Mexico, which the judge parents were too. Then he is Mexican. His parents were legal immigrants from Mexico. His line is very close. Geographical location where you were born gives you your nationality. And you will learn the culture of that geographical location and absorb, but there is no way, you don't have Mexican culture in you, with parents who are direct Mexicans. Just like, I am expose to alot of traditional Chinese culture, because my parents are Chinese. And those are culture that Singaporeans of other races will not practice. So there is a rulebook now outlining how people should decide to identify? Really? You seem to be familiar with that. Does the rulebook tell how many generations removal there should be if each side of the family are from different cultures? Does it explain which of those cultures should be the primary one until there have been enough generations to lose the cultural identification? What about if you were raised in a culture which is not the one of your family, you just become familiar with it? Does this rulebook stipulate whether or not you can claim some sort of identification with that culture? Or is that considered appropriation? Really, I would like to know of this rulebook. Such a set of rules could very well lead to World Peace. I cannot believe that I have not heard of it.

Greta75 -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/9/2016 7:44:50 PM)
Personally, if you never met your native American Grandma, or learnt about her culture, or have very little contact with that part of your life, it makes sense to not identify with it. For me, I just look at direct parents. If both your parents are Mexicans, you are Mexican. If you were half Mexican, Half African or whatever, then you can choose to identify with which ever you like or neither, because, you are something else, and new! You know, a brand new type of race! Which is cool! If people are 1/4 like you, they can also identify with whatever they like as they got so many choices. But when you are pure blooded. Like both parents are. To deny and say you don't identify with it? Is seriously...., WTF? You know there is a popular Italian American Guiliana Rancic? Her grand parents were Italian, her parents are Italian. She completely embraces her heritage and speaks Italian to her parents. She's openly Italian and so proudly Italian. That's really great! And you know what? I don't think the judge himself feels offended being called a Mexican or felt it was racist. But I guess as a judge his not allowed to speak to the media. I believe he does identify proudly as a Mexican American himself. He does not call himself just an American. It's just all this people being outrage on his behalf over nothing! His Mexican, and his proud of it.

Wayward5oul -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/9/2016 9:12:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Personally, if you never met your native American Grandma, or learnt about her culture, or have very little contact with that part of your life, it makes sense to not identify with it. I never said that I didn't know her. She has always been a part of my life, and still is today. There you go, assuming again. quote: For me, I just look at direct parents. If both your parents are Mexicans, you are Mexican. If you were half Mexican, Half African or whatever, then you can choose to identify with which ever you like or neither, because, you are something else, and new! You know, a brand new type of race! Which is cool! If people are 1/4 like you, they can also identify with whatever they like as they got so many choices. But when you are pure blooded. Like both parents are. To deny and say you don't identify with it? Is seriously...., WTF? See the bolded words? FOR YOU. Good for you. But you do not get to decide for others how they identify culturally, nor do you get to judge them based on how they identify. quote: You know there is a popular Italian American Guiliana Rancic? Her grand parents were Italian, her parents are Italian. She completely embraces her heritage and speaks Italian to her parents. She's openly Italian and so proudly Italian. That's really great! Good for her. Still has shit to do with anyone else and how they identify. quote: I don't think the judge himself feels offended being called a Mexican or felt it was racist. But I guess as a judge his not allowed to speak to the media. I believe he does identify proudly as a Mexican American himself. He does not call himself just an American. It's just all this people being outrage on his behalf over nothing! His Mexican, and his proud of it. The only reason people are coming to his defense about his heritage is because Trump is implying that the judge would not treat him fairly, just because the judge is Mexican-American. Trump is the one inserting race into this, so people are responding to what Trump is saying, not what anyone else is saying. And as a leading Republican said, what Trump is doing is the textbook definition of racism. In the same vein, you are here trying to tell people how they should feel about their heritage, based on your own experiences in a completely different culture thousands of miles away, and you are judging them based on what you think they should feel, when you know nothing about them.

Lucylastic -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/10/2016 3:24:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic he can say what he likes, but until his lawyers actually do something legal towards getting the judge off the case , its all mouth and hot air. crying manbaby ignorance. How can you claim to know law when you don't know how fucking hard it is to remove a judge in this country ? T^T I can fucking read...his lawyer says the judge is doing his job...if he wasnt you can be sure they would at least fucking try. thats why trumps only bitching.

vincentML -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/10/2016 11:57:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I am Italian-American. There is nothing Italian about me except nostalgia for my parents and their culture. To say I am Italian is hilarious. Jesus, vincent, you're creeping me out!! I can't see your pic real clearly, but you remind me of my uncle; my Uncle Vince. And now, you let it out that you're of Italian heritage? FFS!!! My Dad and his siblings are 2nd generation Italian-Americans! LOL!! LMAO!! Precious. Were they Sicilian as well?

vincentML -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/10/2016 12:33:17 PM)
Greta! quote: quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML I am Italian-American. There is nothing Italian about me except nostalgia for my parents and their culture. To say I am Italian is hilarious. Why are you so ashamed of your Italian heritage? Nostalgia for my parents and their culture is a clear expression of my pride. Your assumption that I am ashamed is arrogant and totally misinformed. It is common in this most migrant nation for people to assimilate and retain pride in their cultural heritage. It is so common it is an everyday assumption. We retain both our assimilation and our heritage with ease. Nevertheless, I am not Italian. I am Italian-American in spirit but American in identity. More than you can comprehend, I think. quote: There are many Chinese Americans working in Singapore and when I visit US, the Chinese are always race proud. Chinese First. American Second! Hey, maybe your singular experience does not reflect the reality for the entire group. Check this: ASSIMILATION AND RETENTION OF THE CHINESE CULTURE "The young people aren't interested in it [Chinese New Year celebration] Once in awhile the old-timers get together to chew the fat and play a fast game of fan-tan, but the people my age and younger play poker in their rathskellers and talk about the things all Americans talk about." - Chu Wah Chu (Charles Quin, Jr.), St. Louis Globe-Democrat "The Chinese language was a means by which the younger Chinese generation remained connected to the older community." - Tak Jung The quick assimilation of the American-born Chinese both frightened and excited the older generations. They wanted the younger generation to obtain an education and higher paying, less laborious jobs; however, they did not want them to lose their Chinese heritage. As a result, the 1950s found many American-born Chinese in an awkward social position. Like most second-generation immigrants, the Chinese youths quickly adopted the dominant culture's language and customs. The need for acceptance into the dominant culture and the need for a tie to their Chinese heritage, created a "dual culture." To help their children retain their Chinese heritage, the Chinese community established Chinese language schools and participated in ethnic events, such as the Chinese New Year celebration, which is hosted by the On Leong association. Chinese American born assimilation Oh dear, maybe you don't know what you are talking about. quote: If this was in my country, we would celebrate black culture more. Have a special day for them. We have special days for every race. We would do the reverse. A special day! Wow. In America we set aside the month of February as Black History Month. You know so little and yet you opine so much. Your comments display ignorance and arrogance.

Greta75 -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/10/2016 6:46:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul And as a leading Republican said, what Trump is doing is the textbook definition of racism. Paul Ryan is an idiot! That man doesn't have balls to stand on his own feet. Personally, he seems like his been forcefully coerced to support Trump. He should have stood his ground and say his not supporting Trump and have some integrity. Rather than now making stupid comments like that after saying he'd cast a vote for Trump. quote: In the same vein, you are here trying to tell people how they should feel about their heritage, based on your own experiences in a completely different culture thousands of miles away, and you are judging them based on what you think they should feel, when you know nothing about them. Yes because I find it very racist when someone, especially someone who has both parents of a certain descent, in the name of assimilating to being an American, has to declare that they no longer identify as what their parents are. I don't find it racist when someone mention the fact that his a Mexican. It's like, if someone tells me, I'm a chinese, and didn't say Singaporean Chinese. That is true. That is not racist. Because it is true! But if the goal of assimilation is to get all cultures and races to completely denounce their roots, then to me, that is truly racism. And when minority races starts believing in this. I believe they have been brainwashed to ditch their roots. Most cultures can co-exist with the host country's culture, unless it involves breaking the law, then, yea, ditch those or move back to the country where it's legal.

Greta75 -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/10/2016 6:53:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML It is common in this most migrant nation for people to assimilate and retain pride in their cultural heritage. It is so common it is an everyday assumption. We retain both our assimilation and our heritage with ease. Nevertheless, I am not Italian. I am Italian-American in spirit but American in identity. More than you can comprehend, I think. In spirit and in heritage. Yes, I have explained to wayward what I think about the way this assimilation is happening. quote: "The young people aren't interested in it [Chinese New Year celebration] Once in awhile the old-timers get together to chew the fat and play a fast game of fan-tan, but the people my age and younger play poker in their rathskellers and talk about the things all Americans talk about." - Chu Wah Chu (Charles Quin, Jr.), St. Louis Globe-Democrat Playing poker is a chinese new year tradition FYI! Any form of gambling is. quote: Like most second-generation immigrants, the Chinese youths quickly adopted the dominant culture's language and customs. The need for acceptance into the dominant culture and the need for a tie to their Chinese heritage, created a "dual culture." To help their children retain their Chinese heritage, the Chinese community established Chinese language schools and participated in ethnic events, such as the Chinese New Year celebration, which is hosted by the On Leong association. [/color] Chinese American born assimilation Oh dear, maybe you don't know what you are talking about. You just prove my point that Chinese are very proud of retaining their culture and their identity as Chinese. quote: A special day! Wow. In America we set aside the month of February as Black History Month. You know so little and yet you opine so much. Your comments display ignorance and arrogance. Yes, but is it a national public holiday? Like we do it? It also just occurs to me, what the hell is black history month? I hope it's not just about a solemn month to remembering that black used to be slaves and how evil the white ancestors were. I hope it is truly celebrating what are their own unique cultures and practices.

Termyn8or -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/10/2016 7:00:50 PM)
Now that the pot is really stirred, it really doesn't matter what you are. If you are a developed, civilised human being you treat people equal whenever possible. I like the cultural difference and like to hand around with people of other races from time to time. Eat their food and try whatever shit they're drinking and smoking. Find out what's on THEIR mind for a change. When all the races are completely homogenized this world will be alot less interesting. I will be dead. T^T

Wayward5oul -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/10/2016 7:12:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Paul Ryan is an idiot! No more ignorant than what a dozen people on this board are telling you. But tell you what-google it real quick and you will find LOTS of people, including noted Republicans, who are pointing out how racist this particular incident is. quote: Yes because I find it very racist when someone, especially someone who has both parents of a certain descent, in the name of assimilating to being an American, has to declare that they no longer identify as what their parents are. He doesn't have to declare anything. He was just explaining what happens in a melting pot culture like the U.S.. You know, one of the most diverse, if not the most diverse, nation on the planet. And as far as what he said about himself, why the hell do you think you have the right to call him racist (lets ignore the fact that is isn't anywhere near what racism is)? Who are you to tell someone you don't know, in a culture you are quite ignorant about, that he is racist when he expresses nostalgic feelings about his heritage while at the same time expresses his own individuality in how he identifies? quote: I don't find it racist when someone mention the fact that his a Mexican. Once again, no one is saying that Drumph is racist because he is calling him a Mexican American. They are saying he is racist because he is making unfounded assumptions about Curiel, based solely on his heritage. That's what racism is. quote: But if the goal of assimilation is to get all cultures and races to completely denounce their roots, then to me, that is truly racism. At what point did he denounce his heritage? Please show me exactly where he does that. God, you are ignorant. Nothing you have said makes sense except in your own little world. I realize that English is your second language, even though you normally have no problem expressing yourself on the boards. But in this instance, you need to go back and look a few words up. Words like nostalgia, ashamed, racism, denounce. And ya know, dictionaries are available online. Not hard to find. You don't have to go out and buy one, if that's what is stopping you from using these words correctly.

Greta75 -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/10/2016 7:24:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul He doesn't have to declare anything. He was just explaining what happens in a melting pot culture like the U.S.. You know, one of the most diverse, if not the most diverse, nation on the planet. He said that in spirit his Italian, in identity, he is American. Yea, I can't fathom that at all, especially when one has two Italian parents. How is it "in spirit only" and not in reality? Total denial of heritage! quote: And as far as what he said about himself, why the hell do you think you have the right to call him racist I am not calling a vincent a racist, I may not have articulated it well, but I am saying that racism causes people to identify as Americans as they are afraid to identify as their ethnicity anymore. There has become so much sensitivity to race pride and identifying yourself by your race, because of the black slavery history, where being a certain race in the past, means you don't have equal rights, to the extent that modern day US, everything is like, "We're all Americans! Let's eliminate race!" To me Racism has won in the US! quote: Once again, no one is saying that Drumph is racist because he is calling him a Mexican American. They are saying he is racist because he is making unfounded assumptions about Curiel, based solely on his heritage. That's what racism is. Plenty of left folks are calling Trump a racist for calling the judge a Mexican. And that is usually their exact words. Because Trump called the judge a Mexican. And his not a Mexican but an American! quote: At what point did he denounce his heritage? Please show me exactly where he does that. By reducing it to only a ghost, a spirit, something that does not exist. quote: I realize that English is your second language, even though you normally have no problem expressing yourself on the boards. English is my first language. English is the first language in my country. Our mother tongues are our second languages. But our form of English is different because we made it our own, and we call it Singlish. And also, we are multi-languages, we speak our mother tongue equally as much as we speak English and we often mix the languages when conversing with each other locally, so perhaps the command of English may not be as strong as people who solely communicate in English. But all those words you mentioned, none of them I have to look up the meaning to know the meaning. All that is happening here, is a different point of view.

vincentML -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/10/2016 8:48:03 PM)
quote: Yes because I find it very racist when someone, especially someone who has both parents of a certain descent, in the name of assimilating to being an American, has to declare that they no longer identify as what their parents are. God! You spout such bullshit. No one does that. quote: But if the goal of assimilation is to get all cultures and races to completely denounce their roots, Only in your twisted and ignorant imagination, Greta. Each statement you make is more stupid than the last. quote: Playing poker is a chinese new year tradition FYI! Any form of gambling is. You snipped the last part of the quote . .. . "and talking about things Americans talk about." Is that also a Chinese new year tradition? LOL! Pathetic, Greta. Really pathetic. quote: You just prove my point that Chinese are very proud of retaining their culture and their identity as Chinese. Oh did you not read this part? "Like most second-generation immigrants, the Chinese youths quickly adopted the dominant culture's language and customs. quote: It also just occurs to me, what the hell is black history month? Please educate yourself. You are an embarrassment. I am out of here. I can't carry on a discourse with someone for whom I have lost all respect. Gahkk!

vincentML -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/10/2016 8:51:38 PM)
Greta! quote: He said that in spirit his Italian, in identity, he is American. Yea, I can't fathom that at all, especially when one has two Italian parents. How is it "in spirit only" and not in reality? Total denial of heritage! My parents have been dead for decades. F*king idiot.

Lucylastic -> RE: The Lies and Bullshit to Hide Tyranny (6/10/2016 9:00:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Yes because I find it very racist when someone, especially someone who has both parents of a certain descent, in the name of assimilating to being an American, has to declare that they no longer identify as what their parents are. God! You spout such bullshit. No one does that. quote: But if the goal of assimilation is to get all cultures and races to completely denounce their roots, Only in your twisted and ignorant imagination, Greta. Each statement you make is more stupid than the last. quote: Playing poker is a chinese new year tradition FYI! Any form of gambling is. You snipped the last part of the quote . .. . "and talking about things Americans talk about." Is that also a Chinese new year tradition? LOL! Pathetic, Greta. Really pathetic. quote: You just prove my point that Chinese are very proud of retaining their culture and their identity as Chinese. Oh did you not read this part? "Like most second-generation immigrants, the Chinese youths quickly adopted the dominant culture's language and customs. quote: It also just occurs to me, what the hell is black history month? Please educate yourself. You are an embarrassment. I am out of here. I can't carry on a discourse with someone for whom I have lost all respect. Gahkk! you lasted longer than I did:)

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