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bounty44 -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/9/2016 4:47:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Women can gain as much muscle as men. There's nothing to physically to stop them doing so. I know some women over here that take testosterone suppliments to make them look bigger and better. imagine two bell curves over the top of each other, offset so that the men's curve is to the right and the women's curve is on the left, and there is a small percentage of overlap between the two. this general statistical relationship pretty much holds true for all feats of athleticism between the genders. some women can gain as much muscle as some men. but to say in general that women as a whole can, is simply not true. they lack the necessary hormones. if by "nothing physically to stop them" you mean "resorting to pharmaceuticals", even then the statement falls short. given a man and a woman being treated with the same drugs, the man is always going to have, and gain, more muscle.

bounty44 -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/9/2016 5:10:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 ...but they tend to have more endurance, women compete in marathons or other races like vasaloppet, marathon des sables or hawaii iromnam (and by the way I wish I could be around the best woman in those races). Also the less important strenght is the smaller the gap gets, in marathon for example Paula Radcliffe got the british season best among both sexes. If women compete in shorter distances (that by the way doesn't happen in athletics) it's because you have less women competing in a sport so statistically the gap between each position so to have a larger starting group in the race you have to shorten the distances, but again it's more a matter of results not capability. im not entirely sure what youre saying, but ive actually made a point years ago of studying this (some of what I think you might be saying) in track and field and in swimming. i don't remember the actual numbers for each distance but the gaps between men and women in the short distances and longer distances, are roughly the same percentage wise. the gap between the genders at the high end of performance is 1:1.09-1.13 for men to women respectively. in track for instance, from the 100m to the marathon, if you take the worlds best women's times and divide them by the mens, the quotient ranges from 1.09 to 1.13. from an "endurance" perspective, you have to move beyond the marathon before the ratios start to drop. I cant speak to ironman triathlons (though itd be easy to find out)---one wonders what the extra buoyancy women have might do to the numbers.

Termyn8or -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/9/2016 5:29:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Personally I think sports should be outlawed, but then I am not a sports fan. I been thinking about how to respond to that. Can't really outlaw sports, but maybe professional sports ? Make it illegal to charge money for people to watch a sporting event ? Hey, they don't pay to watch you if you are up in a tree hunting deer right ? Or to watch you work out in your basement with weights, rowing machine, whatever. Do kids who play highschool sports get paid ? No, it is to encourage exercise and good health. Of course now it has become "I is gonna be just like Lebron". But that was not the intent. And IIRC it is strictly illegal to pay college sports players, or at least it was. It wasn't like giving the quarterback a Corvette, just letting him use it was a violation. Not sure how they stand now. And it got so bad they had to institute academic standards because most of their alumni turned out to be used car salesmen. You know, no other country is so fixated on professional sports as the US. They might have a national team usually, hockey, soccer or whatever, maybe even a few of them. But in the US we got cities with teams. And the cycle runs almost all the year. We got the football season, the baseball season and the basketball season. I think there might be like 13 days a year unallocated to that. That is when the Men have to attend to the "Honey do" list. One ting that always got me was why the frig would they play five and seven game seiries' ? No, you should get one game ad be ready because this is it. Football is like that, you either win or lose TODAY. End of story. If I play poker or pool with you, you want to take all night ? Pinochle even, it is multiple hands and played until one side reaches 500 points. There are 50 points per hand so there is no way in hell it can go more than 20 hands. Experienced player get a hand over with as fast as like 6 minutes or so. HA, this reminds me about what happened in Florida, some old geezers were playing pinochle for a penny a point and they got busted for gambling. Do youse people here have ANY FUCKING IDEA what I would have done in that situation ? The bottom line is that sports support the gambling industry. Oh, think you need a "connection" to a bookie ? Hell no, you can do it online. Yeah, make it illegal to make people pay to watch. (but not sex of course lol) T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/9/2016 5:34:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Women can gain as much muscle as men. There's nothing to physically to stop them doing so. I know some women over here that take testosterone suppliments to make them look bigger and better. given a man and a woman being treated with the same drugs, the man is always going to have, and gain, more muscle. You have isolated a parameter in a mathematical formula. WTF is that called ? I know the word but dammit, cannot remember it right now. T^T

bounty44 -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/9/2016 5:57:40 PM)
in this instance, the word "proportionality" is appropriate. is that what you are thinking? or a "constant?"

Greta75 -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/9/2016 6:02:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 So what part of 'not possible' do you think applies?? Again as I said again. Exact same regiment. Men and woman, do the EXACT same regiment, exact same diet. Women would not yield the exact same results. Yes I would say it's impossible to yield the same results. Those women you posted had to work HARDER than men to achieve that. And even then, in heavy lifting, they would lose to a top male. A simple thing such as pull up. Women has to train much harder than men to be able to do pull ups. I'd love to see a woman beat the world record of a man, for heaviest lifting, and most number of pull ups, but it has never happened before, so don't tell me that women can acheive the exact results as men.

Greta75 -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/9/2016 6:06:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Maybe she's thinking of some of the Thai "girls" she's met when she says that those big muscly women can't be real? [:D] Show me a world record holder in a strength or speed based sport where a top female beat a top male. All top female athletes must have trained as hard as top male athletes and yet, cannot yield the same results. Can't run faster, can't lift stronger.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/9/2016 6:07:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Maybe in certain sports. You ain't from here so I will have to describe this. In US style football, in the Cleveland Browns we had a quarterback named Bernie Kosar. He was described as lanky and me and a few of my friends thought he should be made to wear like 20 pound weights on his ankles at practice, then in the real game he would feel like he could fly. He wasn't that great but not bad, and he had a shitty front line. I'm not sure who would win a 100m dash between Kosar, Marino, and a pet rock. I do know it could be timed with a sundial. But, Bernie got the last laugh on them Browns. He left, went to Dallas as a back up, and got himself a Super Bowl ring! How 'bout them Cowboys! [:D] And, transgender men (former men) have been allowed to compete against women in the Olympics since 2012 (after castration and 2 years of hormone therapy). At this year's Rio Olympics, transgender men won't be required to have had the surgery or hormone therapy, as long as their testosterone has been below normal male levels for the past 12 months.

Greta75 -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/9/2016 6:11:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: we'd never win anything at the olympics Good, maybe then they will stop holding them. Sports is something that can unite people with cultural differences. When they are rooting for the same team or when they love playing the same sport. All other differences does not matter in that sport, as long as you are good at it. To me, it's one of the most positive activities in the world.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/9/2016 6:15:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or You have isolated a parameter in a mathematical formula. WTF is that called ? I know the word but dammit, cannot remember it right now. T^T A "variable?"

BamaD -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/9/2016 6:25:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or You have isolated a parameter in a mathematical formula. WTF is that called ? I know the word but dammit, cannot remember it right now. T^T A "variable?" Here is a solution. Eliminate mens a womens sports per se make them all compete together. To make sure that women are given a "fair" chance in team sports make all of them have even numbers and half of the people on the field at any time have to be genetically male and the other half genetically female, see simple soultion everything is solved. That will let FD's idea that women can compete in these things as well as men prove out.

nighthawk3569 -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/9/2016 6:49:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Personally I think sports should be outlawed, but then I am not a sports fan. You got my vote!!! All of them. 'hawk

eulero83 -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/10/2016 2:40:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 ...but they tend to have more endurance, women compete in marathons or other races like vasaloppet, marathon des sables or hawaii iromnam (and by the way I wish I could be around the best woman in those races). Also the less important strenght is the smaller the gap gets, in marathon for example Paula Radcliffe got the british season best among both sexes. If women compete in shorter distances (that by the way doesn't happen in athletics) it's because you have less women competing in a sport so statistically the gap between each position so to have a larger starting group in the race you have to shorten the distances, but again it's more a matter of results not capability. im not entirely sure what youre saying, but ive actually made a point years ago of studying this (some of what I think you might be saying) in track and field and in swimming. i don't remember the actual numbers for each distance but the gaps between men and women in the short distances and longer distances, are roughly the same percentage wise. the gap between the genders at the high end of performance is 1:1.09-1.13 for men to women respectively. in track for instance, from the 100m to the marathon, if you take the worlds best women's times and divide them by the mens, the quotient ranges from 1.09 to 1.13. from an "endurance" perspective, you have to move beyond the marathon before the ratios start to drop. I cant speak to ironman triathlons (though itd be easy to find out)---one wonders what the extra buoyancy women have might do to the numbers. there were some points actually, one is that the difference is mostly related to the parameter of strenght and it's because of the different ratio of fat in the muscles, and not related to a limit in gaining muscular mass as top female athletes tend to be as muscular as top males in the same sport if doing the same activity. About the endurance I might had been fooled by the rapid progression of the records in the woman's category but there can be other factors for that, I'd like to see how it would work out if partecipation was equal among gender in african's highlands. Another point was that women are perfectly capable of doing any distance men do, as they partecipate in any long distance race even ironman, once it was due to ignorance for sure but now I noticecd it resists only in those sports where a longer race would supress partecipation in women's class or where being lapped is a problem and you want somehow a bigger competitive group (I can think about tennins, cross country skiing, biathlon, alpine skiing, rugby, cyclism and not many other sports that have a lighter race for women compared to the men). FR To those that want to ban sports because they don't like them it sounds quite asinine that just because you are not interested in something that many persons enjoy than it has to be banned, especially after advocating to lift bans on other virtually any other thing, or after being on a website where the main topic is alternative sexual behaviours.

Greta75 -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/10/2016 3:01:53 AM)
Sports is something that a minority race usually somehow excels in too! Taking away one of their glory avenue to show their talents is like, not so nice!

DesideriScuri -> RE: Forget about toilets, what about sports? (6/12/2016 6:20:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 there were some points actually, one is that the difference is mostly related to the parameter of strenght and it's because of the different ratio of fat in the muscles, and not related to a limit in gaining muscular mass as top female athletes tend to be as muscular as top males in the same sport if doing the same activity. About the endurance I might had been fooled by the rapid progression of the records in the woman's category but there can be other factors for that, I'd like to see how it would work out if partecipation was equal among gender in african's highlands. Another point was that women are perfectly capable of doing any distance men do, as they partecipate in any long distance race even ironman, once it was due to ignorance for sure but now I noticecd it resists only in those sports where a longer race would supress partecipation in women's class or where being lapped is a problem and you want somehow a bigger competitive group (I can think about tennins, cross country skiing, biathlon, alpine skiing, rugby, cyclism and not many other sports that have a lighter race for women compared to the men). FR To those that want to ban sports because they don't like them it sounds quite asinine that just because you are not interested in something that many persons enjoy than it has to be banned, especially after advocating to lift bans on other virtually any other thing, or after being on a website where the main topic is alternative sexual behaviours. Males tend to have more testosterone in their blood. In either genetic gender, that is the greatest anabolic hormone around. The more you have, the quicker you'll recover from workouts. That means you'll progress faster, given the same intensity of workouts. You'll be able to workout more frequently, or have higher intensity workouts at the same workout frequency. All that means is that men tend to develop more easily than women. As far as physical specimens go, I think Serena Williams is more muscular and built than any male tennis player around. Does that mean she can compete with the men? Not necessarily. It might be why she's at the top of the women's game, though. Annika Sorenstam was dominating the LPGA, so she tried her hand at a PGA tournament in 2003. Her first two rounds got her to 4 over par, but she missed the cut. While some might say that proves woman can't compete with men in golf, I would have to point out that everyone else that missed the cut were men, and she wasn't the worst player out there. Michelle Wie also tried her hand at a PGA tournament, also missing the cut. Golf is one of those sports that's more about technique than strength. Of course there are benefits to being stronger and having more mass (John Daly), but if you didn't recognize a pro golfer, you wouldn't be able to tell by his body that he's a pro athlete. Should women compete against men? If they do, will there be one winner, or two (each gender getting their own standings)? Or 3 (each gender getting their own standing, and one regardless of gender)? Is sports performance based on gender identity, or on physical characteristics? I wasn't an elite runner by any metric, but in my HS days, there was only one race in which a female placed ahead of me. Should I have been able to say I felt like a girl, and then been able to dominate the female events? I don't think so. I guarantee you there will be those that try. How do we differentiate between the way a person truly identifies, and those that are only saying it? With most sports being so intimately linked to the physical condition of the body, how can it be right for a person with the genome and phenome of a male compete with those who have the genomes and phenomes of females? Should genetic females be allowed to use steroids and compete against males that aren't allowed to use steroids?

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