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Greta75 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/13/2016 6:07:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pleasnpetrichor But why don't you consider it a betrayal of her professed love for him when she hits in the first place? Why wouldn't you consider it justice for her to be hit back when she started it? Because I have a feeling he cheated on her, for her to react so angrily. And all her attack on him was not to cause any serious injuries or pain, even though she was a small person, but I felt also, she didn't use full strength, the method she chose to hit him were not meant to cause him serious physical pain. I've seen real women beating up men videos, I mean, chinese women are terrible when they go at it, they really wanna kill the man, and they may be tiny, but I've seen them go at it at full strength, and of course Asian guys are generally tinier so the size differentiation is not that huge. Compared to that woman, she was restrained in going at him. Seriously if she really wanted to hurt him, she'd kick and punch his balls, and not just kick the side of his leg or punch his chest. And in my country, women has been arrested and thrown to jail for assault on her boyfriend. But only when the boyfriend didn't hit back. Usually passerby sees it and calls the police and the woman gets arrested. And usually these women will get so furious that they attack the police too when the police came and restrain her. So then she gets more charges. As I said, even when 2 man fights, it's not about who threw the first punch, it's about who did the more damage.

Edwird -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/13/2016 7:26:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: pleasnpetrichor But why don't you consider it a betrayal of her professed love for him when she hits in the first place? Why wouldn't you consider it justice for her to be hit back when she started it? Because I have a feeling he cheated on her, for her to react so angrily. Right. So, the only reason any woman acts that angry is because the man cheated on her. Woman acts that angry=man is a cheater, ipso facto. Outside of that, women never go beyond being somewhat annoyed at their partner.

Greta75 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/13/2016 7:30:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird Right. So, the only reason any woman acts that angry is because the man cheated on her. Woman acts that angry=man is a cheater, ipso facto. Outside of that, women never go beyond being somewhat annoyed at their partner. It's not the only reason, but I am interpreting from what little of their conversation I am seeing in this specific video. If she is going crazy on him over a can of tomatoes that he opened that he ain't suppose to or something stupid, then, yea, her behaviour is horrible, but even then, in no circumstances did she deserve that level of punching back. A boxer's Muhammad Ali, full on, face punch. If this thing was like, she slaps him, he slaps her back with equivalent strength, she punch his chest, he punches her chest back, above the breast of course, with full restrain strength, and maybe just impersonating her actions mockingly. That would be fair. What he did was not fair. His actions were just sooo horrendous, because he hugged her and told her he loves her, calm her down, and then punched her. But if there was cheating involve, and he beats her on top of that, I think..., it's fucked. It's like if a man walks into a room seeing his wife fucking another man on their marital bed, and went crazy and choked his wife to death. I personally won't feel any sympathy for the wife, despite the violence. Although violence is wrong, but, that kind of thing generally causes people to lose it. She really disrespected their marriage fully by bringing a man home to fuck in their bed. And that guy will choke her and be prosecuted for it.

Edwird -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/13/2016 10:01:48 PM)
I don't disagree that the guy over reacted. But his over reaction does not excuse her instigating violence. I've seen and witnessed the ongoing drama that those from 'the lower echelons' of society seem to gravitate towards many times, when I was young. There is a 'smart' and a stupid way to go about it. I've seen from the street a woman punching the bejezus out of her man once, and another instance of the female drunk absolutely thrashing the male drunk with a dog chain. Here's the hint; make sure the man is drunker than you are.

Greta75 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/13/2016 10:44:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird I've seen from the street a woman punching the bejezus out of her man once, and another instance of the female drunk absolutely thrashing the male drunk with a dog chain. In my country if a female drunk is thrashing the male drunk with a dog chain. Seriously, there is no way she will not be thrown in prison. Like no way! He would have serious injuries. Her drunkenness or his drunkenness is no excuse. Unless in that exchange, he actually did more damage to her, despite her wielding the chain. I mean men who are good in martial arts, a woman with a chain is like, blah! But yet again, over here, the one who cause bigger damage is the one who gets in trouble. I mean, if a man rapes me and I kill him. I would probably be hang for murder. Because I took his life and he let me live. Like if the man rapes me and I survive the assault, maybe..., it would be all him. But if I killed him, I may be fighting to defend my murder. Doesn't matter if he was the aggressor first. I mean, it could be indeed I could have just ran away, but I chose to go all out to kill him in response instead due to my utter emotional rage at him. And it would be just one of those things. Like did you choose the right thing to do even while another is aggressive against you? If you had control of the situation and can choose a more peaceful way? Also, I feel like there are many people who chose sobriety because they never want to be in a situation where they can't have control over their own actions. These are very responsible who wants to be responsible for their own actions at all times. I'm sick of all the drunkenness used as an excuse for any crimes. Because if you know you have no control when you are drunk, then stop drinking. Other wise, you intentionally put yourself in a position where you willingly chose to give away any responsibility over your own actions and it's intentional. Thus any actions resulting of that drunkenness, you are still responsible for getting yourself drunk in the first place.

Edwird -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/13/2016 11:01:38 PM)
quote: In my country if a female drunk is thrashing the male drunk with a dog chain. Seriously, there is no way she will not be thrown in prison. Like no way! He would have serious injuries. You guys are such sissies. The guy got injuries, none serious. In poor neighborhoods, police get calls for this domestic violence crap all the time. If it's just the first instance, likely nobody gets arrested if no damage.Unfortunately, in 'better' neighborhoods police perhaps not called often enough.

Greta75 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 1:21:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird You guys are such sissies. The guy got injuries, none serious. In poor neighborhoods, police get calls for this domestic violence crap all the time. If it's just the first instance, likely nobody gets arrested if no damage.Unfortunately, in 'better' neighborhoods police perhaps not called often enough. Yea because if such a thing ever happen, it's like, gonna be front page news. NOTHING like these ever happens around here. There is domestic physical abuse going on inside homes, but at the mercy of the woman reporting her husband, or the husband reporting his wife. Well, over here, it depends on if the victim is willing to press charges. I mean, if the female got arrested and the man doesn't want to pursue. Then it's over. The woman gets set free. But the man will have a good case against the woman for sure if he wanna pursue. I mean she hit him with a chain!! That's serious! That's metal isn't it and could really hurt him!

Edwird -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 1:34:17 AM)
You live in a country of 6 million people, where, apparently, people think alike on many things, and call police at first sign of trouble. Doesn't work that way everywhere else. I realize that Singapore is (as you keep trying to prove) morally superior to every other country in the world, but you have to realize that greater populations can put things in another realm, and cause other problems.

Greta75 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 1:49:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird You live in a country of 6 million people, where, apparently, people think alike on many things, and call police at first sign of trouble. Doesn't work that way everywhere else. I realize that Singapore is (as you keep trying to prove) morally superior to every other country in the world, but you have to realize that greater populations can put things in another realm, and cause other problems. Because we trust our police to handle things. Yes, we call police for every little thing. Neighbour disputes. Arguments. Basically anything. Even if I need to find the number to other government department, I call the police and ask. And they are usually very nice and helpful. I never once said we were morally superior BTW. I am the last person on earth who cares about morals. I love casual sex. That's not morals. But I just believe in alot of personal responsibility for alot of things. So when I have sex with multiple men, it's my responsibility to make sure each one of them uses a condom, and I stay on pill. To be doubly safe, so I don't get myself pregnant. For example, it's just personal responsibility. As STDs can be spread by oral sex, so I don't do oral sex at all. No fluid exchange is my safety motto in casual sex. So no french kissing as well. If he got bleeding gums, I might be infected with something. I don't bother asking people which alot of men always ask me a stupid question if I am STD free. To me, asking is not a very smart way of verification at all. It's all just taking personal responsibility. And I don't trust any assurance any man gives me in the casual world. If his fucking other women, his at risk.

Edwird -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 2:02:46 AM)
Actually, I'm just saying that poor people do this stuff all the time, and somehow figure out how to go about it in a way resulting in less harm, on average. The woman in the video was a hostile dumbshit, and if it were up to me, the guy and gal are both arrested. No way, no how, am I claiming that "oh, well, they're just poor people, the woman gets beat sometimes." It sounds close to that, I know. I almost am not figuring out what I'm trying to say, here. Except that men and woman come away with bruises to start the day, sometimes. I wish it could be better for them. BUT! When I see whiny-ass people in the rest of the world whining and bitching, and I look back at those people, still trying to go to work ... You guys have NO clue what it's like for others.

Greta75 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 2:18:17 AM)
Men or women starting the day with bruises should NOT be normal period. Usually, in my country, if we see a woman beat up, I mean witness a woman with bruises, if it's our neighbour and we heard like shouting and fighting and she walks out with bruises, we don't handle it ourselves, we call the police, the police will knock on their door to check if everything is okay, and then later inform a social worker to follow up, who will try to make contact with the woman to help her. Many abused women do not want to report their husbands, because of kids, and I don't know. I mean, there was this case, where a woman was a high flying career woman earning 200k per annum in high management, married to a man lower paid than her, but she still comes to work with bruises, and take her husband's beatings. She's not financially dependent on him but he had a hold over her anyway. She believes that she was the one who angered him and she deserved the beating. I don't know if it's consensual bdsm or what, but social workers pick up on it and see it as domestic abuse after they interviewed her that's why it was a case mentioned in the media, and will try to persuade her to get an restraining order to protect herself. I guess every time if I see a man with bruises, the conclusion is seldom that he got beat up by his wife. It's usually you'd think he got into a brawl with another guy. But every time you see a woman with bruises, you always automatically assume it's a boyfriend or a husband. And majority of the time it is, as females seldom get into physical fights among themselves. Different countries do things differently, but we are a pampered lot, and we do expect the government to take care of even our domestic dispute, even neighbourly dispute, we have special mediation council for it. But the thing is, they are highly paid, our government, so high pay equals higher responsibility towards us. Obama gets paid like only 500k, while our PM gets paid like 3Mil. Obama is underpaid considering he has to take care of so many more people. While our government gets paid so much more just to take care of 6 Mil.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 3:04:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Personally if I were him, maybe I'd just get into the car and drive off and leave her there. No need to attack her back. So, I guess you're one of those "Conservatives" who believe in "Personal Responsibility" as long as you get to keep your special privilege because you're female. How about this. Every PERSON regardless of gender, ethnicity or sexual preference, etc, etc take RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions. She did something stupid and paid the price but you think that should should be given a break because of her gender. Fucking hypocrite. Greta seems to be making a whole case on the fact that the woman should get a free pass because of her gender and/or that she was the weaker party of the two. I don't. She shouldn't have started the fight at all in the first place. But equally well, the guy could have handled it much better and not retaliated in such a bullying way. I'm guessing he didn't want to look small so decided to treat her like any other guy attacking him. In my view - he should be booked for beating her, assualt etc. she should be booked for causing an affray or disturbing the peace or asualt and battery. There's no way she should get a free pass just because of her gender or being the weaker party. She started the altercation, she should pay the appropriate penalty.

PeonForHer -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 3:45:49 AM)
quote: ... and another instance of the female drunk absolutely thrashing the male drunk with a dog chain. Sweet jesus. I would not class that as ladylike behaviour.

Greta75 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 4:27:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Greta seems to be making a whole case on the fact that the woman should get a free pass because of her gender and/or that she was the weaker party of the two. Not because she is a woman, but yes, because she is the weaker party. Nothing to do with gender. I believe the strong should protect the weak period. It's not so difficult to understand. If the weak attacks you and did not harm you, show mercy or teach the weak a lesson in a non-violent manner, be the better person. Regardless of gender. Men to men, same shit. Women to women, same shit. I expect the strong not to abuse their strength and power. What kind of lessons are you teaching your kids, if you are gonna show a kid this video and tell your kid that, if a weaker person hits you, please make sure you hit them back 10 times harder . Because every person here who says she deserves what she got, is practically teaching that lesson. Seriously, if this was a puny man attacking a big giant of a man. And then the giant of man punches him as brutally as what this guy did. I would be just as disgusted at the giant man. And puny men have been known to be bullied by bigger fellows and lost it and go attacking the bigger fellow, even though no use and defeated. Am I gonna condemn the puny man? No! End of the day, we don't know what set the woman off. She was screaming, "What did you do?" So the big question is, WHAT did he do? Did he kill her cat maybe? I mean, there is no way that guy was a good guy, especially how he went after the innocent by-standing woman who was just coming to help the fallen woman. And by the way, that woman is fuckin' brave to risk her life like that.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 5:44:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Greta seems to be making a whole case on the fact that the woman should get a free pass because of her gender and/or that she was the weaker party of the two. Not because she is a woman, but yes, because she is the weaker party. Nothing to do with gender. I believe the strong should protect the weak period. It's not so difficult to understand. If the weak attacks you and did not harm you, show mercy or teach the weak a lesson in a non-violent manner, be the better person. Regardless of gender. Men to men, same shit. Women to women, same shit. I expect the strong not to abuse their strength and power. What kind of lessons are you teaching your kids, if you are gonna show a kid this video and tell your kid that, if a weaker person hits you, please make sure you hit them back 10 times harder . Because every person here who says she deserves what she got, is practically teaching that lesson. Seriously, if this was a puny man attacking a big giant of a man. And then the giant of man punches him as brutally as what this guy did. I would be just as disgusted at the giant man. And puny men have been known to be bullied by bigger fellows and lost it and go attacking the bigger fellow, even though no use and defeated. Am I gonna condemn the puny man? No! End of the day, we don't know what set the woman off. She was screaming, "What did you do?" So the big question is, WHAT did he do? Did he kill her cat maybe? I mean, there is no way that guy was a good guy, especially how he went after the innocent by-standing woman who was just coming to help the fallen woman. And by the way, that woman is fuckin' brave to risk her life like that. Perhaps your reading comprehension needs adjustment Greta. Yes, the strong should protect the weak - that's called chivalry and something I support. However, if the weak decide to launch an attack on a stronger opponent, that, in and of itself, is no excuse for leniency or defence. In your example of the puny man, if he were the starter/agressor then he deserves as much punishment as the other who retaliated. If the bigger guy picked on the smaller one, yes, he is being a bully and should be chastised and dealt with as such. But the other way round (as in this example)? Then no, the agressor doesn't get a free pass. You should be condemning every person that resorts to violence, not just defending those that happen to be weaker. It doesn't matter what happened or what the fuck he did to piss her off; that is no excuse to launch into a violent attack. That's my argument with your stance.

Greta75 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 5:54:53 AM)
For me, it's not violent until you actually really hurt someone, when I saw the video again, she kicked his butt for gawd's sake, not even his legs. She has been aiming at places to cause the least hurt intentionally. She show so much restrain. You know if I really want to be violent on a man. The last place I would hit is his chest or his butt, and slap? What the hell? Those are the stupidest area to aim for if I wanna hurt him. I'd have punch his adam's apple and kick his balls. Now if she did that, I'd want her behind bars. In that video, all I saw was hurt and upset reaction but really restrain from causing hurt to him. That's why I would feel more outrage if a woman used a chain to attack a man for example. Than if she does these light punching of chest. In this very very specific video, I don't think it's fair what happened to her in return at all. And as I said, if that was a puny man. Same reaction. Not a gender thing. Except when a puny man hits a big man, he would probably be hitting to hurt, unless it's a gay couple. And did you not see how he dragged her back into the car when she refuses to go with him? He should have left her after she hit him. That is the deserving consequences, just drive away and abandon her there, rather than hitting her back. We are missing the part of the story of WHY she hit him. Why he is still dragging her back with him? Is she still alive after this? He looked like he was gonna kill her.

Greta75 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 6:06:30 AM)
You wanna see the difference of what real abuse is? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phB5gSD7-10 This is a proper video of a female abusing a male. And she should be arrested and jailed, but for her to be convicted, her boyfriend or husband there needs to report her. There is even video evidence. Unfortunately, man involved chose not to pursue the matter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4j1BBoR_Bw Our local Burger King Ad illustrating what the man should have done!

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 6:28:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 For me, it's not violent until you actually really hurt someone, And this is where we part company. Violence is violence. Period. Whether someone gets hurt or not is completely irrelevant. Just the sheer act of attacking someone with the intent of hurting the other, is violence. Definition of violence Violence is defined by the World Health Organization as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation", although the group acknowledges that the inclusion of "the use of power" in its definition expands on the conventional meaning of the word. This definition involves intentionality with the committing of the act itself, irrespective of the outcome it produces. I draw your attention to the closing sentence: This definition involves intentionality with the committing of the act itself, irrespective of the outcome it produces.

Greta75 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 6:30:49 AM)
which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation Your definition here, is not what happened in the first video. Your definitions supports my definition. And I go by the conventional meaning.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Is the man the only one who is bad? (6/14/2016 7:46:07 AM)
You've taken part of the sentence out of context to fit your agenda. Try reading the closing sentence and pay attention to the bit I underlined. And particularly where it states: "...irrespective of the outcome it produces" Sorry, it does not fit your definition.

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