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I believe it was also Awareness who referred to an AR 15 as a "high-powered weapon", as do many of the gun-grabbers. Of course, they also refer to it as an assault rifle. It is not.

http://tribunist.com/news/when-you-hear-someone-call-an-ar-15-an-assault-rifle-show-them-this/

For comparison, check out this article from CNN and see just how many mistakes you can find:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/13/news/ar-15-assault-rifle/

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
I believe it was also Awareness who referred to an AR 15 as a "high-powered weapon", as do many of the gun-grabbers. Of course, they also refer to it as an assault rifle. It is not.

Jesus Christ, what do you call a "high-powered weapon"? Does it have to fire a .50 anti-materiel round before you'll concede it's "high-powered"?

Fuck a duck, you gun nuts really do tie your sense of manhood to your weapons. It's pathetic.

The .223 is not considered a powerful enough round to go deer hunting in most states.
The projectile is much smaller than most hunting rounds. In this respect it would even ranks behind the 30-30, a round developed in the 19th century.
You don't even understand the terms of the debate.
Any thing beyond a 30-06 woud be a high powered rifle.
Since you don't shoot you have no way of knowing how little relative power the .223 has so why don't you just keep quite and learn somthing.

Well, obviously: the .223 is clearly a harmless round that bounced off everybody it was shot at in that night club, didn't it? Barely even a bullet at all...

Even a .22 lr can kill, that doesn't make it a high powered rifle, particularly since a lot of pistols use it.
I see you can only repsond to facts with sarcasim, at least I hope you were being sarcastic.

As the fact I'm responding to was a statement that the bullet used to kill or wing 53 people isn't a proper hunting round and nobody serious would dream of using it, sarcasm is about all it deserves. The .223 seems to have worked pretty well under the circumstances, after all.
Or was your point supposed to be some sort of snottily homophobic diss implying that the poor bastards shot by this dickhead didn't deserve anything better than a bullet properly used for vermin control rather than hunting?

The .223 isn't a proper hunting round generally. Any bullet can be used by experts with expert care. I've given the energy information earlier. You seem to have ignored that. I even discussed within the context of a closed space like the bar where the shooting happened.

You can go ask anyone who's done a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan. While the .223 did well on small Vietnamese when it first came out, it just doesn't work well on Middle Eastern size people and above. Most soldiers will tell you it'll take about three rounds from the M-4 to put a larger person down. You can be silly about this all you want. But, I gave you the energy numbers earlier so it'll show you're just trying to be cute.

Yeah, it is a proper hunting round, most states allow it for deer hunting, and a few for bear and moose, and some of those .223s will shoot the 5.56 without wrecking the gun, some will handle it but wear out quickly, higher pressures, still and all, about what we use to hunt humans with, innit?

And we killed a lot of humans with them.

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So what should Australia do to reduce crime DS ? Ban criminals ? I think something along those lines has already been done. you probably have similar laws in the U.S.
Gun crimes dropped. Surely that's a plus ? Crime overall may or may NOT have dropped but at least nobody was getting shot/killed while those crimes were being committed. Not so much of a plus but still a plus in my eyes.

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Bama one again is full of shit, the security guys were armed and he swapped shots with an off duty policeman who crawled off into the bathrooms with the rest of them. Typical Bama #Epic #Fail.

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I believe it was also Awareness who referred to an AR 15 as a "high-powered weapon", as do many of the gun-grabbers. Of course, they also refer to it as an assault rifle. It is not.

http://tribunist.com/news/when-you-hear-someone-call-an-ar-15-an-assault-rifle-show-them-this/

For comparison, check out this article from CNN and see just how many mistakes you can find:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/13/news/ar-15-assault-rifle/

The technicalities does not matter. It is a weapon that doesn't seem to need much reloading and can shoot so many bullets. Even if it's not defined as a "high-powered weapon", it's high powered enough to hit 100 people. It's a powerful gun! It's pretty scary thinking people needs to be able to own this? I feel like this will inspire terrorists to get this specific gun and do more damage. I wish they just kept everything to just hand guns for everybody!

I mean, the fact that, the gun man went on a shooting rampage for 3 hours, so he was pretty hard to neutralised too when he had that gun!

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Two when they aren't in gun free zones the armed citizens stop it before it becomes news worthy.

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Some statistics from CNN
It claims that this year alone, there has been 134 mass shooting int he first 164 days of this year alone. Mass shooting being defined as shooting more than 4 people.

It feels like ALOT!

Almost every day, one person mis-use the gun.

US has the most mass shooting incidents in the world by alot. Second worst country is Philippines, and that country is a cesspool of mess.

One fact of life is, more guns equals more gun deaths and more gun wounds.

US has 270 million guns owned by people. Most in the universe! I am surprise Switzerland holds third place in gun ownership. Also interesting that, Switzerland doesn't have mass shootings despite gun ownership.

Conclusion of that article. Guns are going no where. I need buy US Gun Stock. It keeps going up! Good investment!

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As Jim Jefferies has pointed out, the Bushmaster used by Adam Lanza at Sandy Hook costs around $35,000 dollars on the black market in Australia. If you have $35,000 dollars you probably don't need a gun - you need an investment advisor.

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And yes, I know, a punch in the head CAN kill but it's very unusual if that 9 mm DOESN'T.

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There you go, gang bangers shooting each other up in Chicago, the home of the progressive left and gun control, now touted as mass shootings to scare people into more government authoritarianism.

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Arguing about the calibre of the weapon or whether it was high-powered or low-powered or under-powered or whatever, seems a little like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or whether throwing out the washing-up water is regarded as work on shabat. Does it really matter if it was a 22 pea-rifle or a bloody 25 pounder howitzer ? 49 people ( human beings) died and lot more are hurt and in pain all because some nut decided he wanted his 30 seconds of fame.
It was also pointed out that though gun crimes went down in Australia, violent crimes may have gone up ( I am unsure of that but will accept your statement), but which would you prefer ......................a punch in the head or a 9 mm in the head ? And yes, I know, a punch in the head CAN kill but it's very unusual if that 9 mm DOESN'T.

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Two when they aren't in gun free zones the armed citizens stop it before it becomes news worthy.

The NRA really needs to get a better PR department then: if concealed carry enthusiasts were stopping shootings all over the place, you'd expect them to be braying it from the rooftops and spreading the news as widely as they could every time this happened.

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So many of you are soooooo desirous of making a point.

Guns.

No guns.

Less guns.

MORE guns.

BIGGER guns.......smaller guns.....

So much horror.

So much awful horror.

So many families in distress.

So much pain.

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He told The Post he thought Mateen was gay, but not publicly. He added that Mateen was "awkward" and other members of their friend group felt sorry for him.

"He just wanted to fit in and no one liked him," he told The Post. "He was always socially awkward."
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So much horror.

So much awful horror.

So many families in distress.

So much pain.