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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 9:01:43 PM   
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I don't think anyone here has ever said that all the hate in the world resides in Islam.
It doesn't.
But most of the hate people murder from does.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 9:03:06 PM   
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The problem is the delusional fantasy that there are murderous Christian terrorist groups.

Not even Westboro.........


So the Army of God, Aryan Nation, "The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord", Defensive Action, Montana Freemen, Aryan Republican Army, Phineas Priesthood, and even the Ku Klux Klan just snuggle their chosen enemies tightly, whispering sweet nothings into their ears while downing some fine champagne and chocolate covered strawberries?



Those are not Christian organizations.
I don't think you will be able to demonstrate that all of them put together have murdered as many in the last century and Moslem extremist have in the last decade.
And none of them are government sanctioned.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 9:05:39 PM   
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We need a new bumper snicker..


Guns don't kill people.
Muslims kill people.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 9:07:56 PM   
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Interesting that several religious people said God sent the shooter. I wonder if they'll change their tune after learning the shooter's religious convictions.

That will indeed be interesting.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 9:08:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz


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The problem is the delusional fantasy that there are murderous Christian terrorist groups.

Not even Westboro.........


So the Army of God, Aryan Nation, "The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord", Defensive Action, Montana Freemen, Aryan Republican Army, Phineas Priesthood, and even the Ku Klux Klan just snuggle their chosen enemies tightly, whispering sweet nothings into their ears while downing some fine champagne and chocolate covered strawberries?



Those are not Christian organizations.
I don't think you will be able to demonstrate that all of them put together have murdered as many in the last century and Moslem extremist have in the last decade.
And none of them are government sanctioned.


Do you want to rethink your "no true Scotsman" stance or are Jews now welcome in the KKK and Aryan Nation?

Even the Amish have their own terrorist group.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 9:15:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

The problem is the delusional fantasy that there are murderous Christian terrorist groups.

Not even Westboro.........


So the Army of God, Aryan Nation, "The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord", Defensive Action, Montana Freemen, Aryan Republican Army, Phineas Priesthood, and even the Ku Klux Klan just snuggle their chosen enemies tightly, whispering sweet nothings into their ears while downing some fine champagne and chocolate covered strawberries?



Those are not Christian organizations.
I don't think you will be able to demonstrate that all of them put together have murdered as many in the last century and Moslem extremist have in the last decade.
And none of them are government sanctioned.


Do you want to rethink your "no true Scotsman" stance or are Jews now welcome in the KKK and Aryan Nation?

Even the Amish have their own terrorist group.


And none of them compare to the likes of ISIS.
There were Quaker pirates, but does that mean that as a whole Quakers were no different than the Barbary pirates whose whole society ran on Piracy.
You are comparing a rotten apple to a rotten orchard.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 9:22:38 PM   
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Here's a few words by a gay conservative on the (to me) inexplicable tendency of the left in general, and the LGBT community in particular, to apologize for Islam: Milo Yiannopoulos on Brietbart

He leaves off, I think, one important aspect: abject, cowering fear

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 9:40:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

Do you want to rethink your "no true Scotsman" stance or are Jews now welcome in the KKK and Aryan Nation?

Even the Amish have their own terrorist group.


And none of them compare to the likes of ISIS.
There were Quaker pirates, but does that mean that as a whole Quakers were no different than the Barbary pirates whose whole society ran on Piracy.
You are comparing a rotten apple to a rotten orchard.


That's the equivalent of saying World War I doesn't count as a world war because more people died in World War II.

It doesn't matter if they compare to ISIS' death toll -- there are numerous Christian terrorist organizations that commit murder.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 9:44:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz

Do you want to rethink your "no true Scotsman" stance or are Jews now welcome in the KKK and Aryan Nation?

Even the Amish have their own terrorist group.


And none of them compare to the likes of ISIS.
There were Quaker pirates, but does that mean that as a whole Quakers were no different than the Barbary pirates whose whole society ran on Piracy.
You are comparing a rotten apple to a rotten orchard.


That's the equivalent of saying World War I doesn't count as a world war because more people died in World War II.

It doesn't matter if they compare to ISIS' death toll -- there are numerous Christian terrorist organizations that commit murder.


So if there is another mass killing by one of them we should waste our time talking about how horrible the Moslims are?
Why is it that every time Moslims kill a bunch of people, and remember he claimed to be ISIS and ISIS claimed him some people only want to talk about how bad some Christians have been at some time. All you are doing is minimizing what they have done, it is the everyone does it defense.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 10:01:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz

Do you want to rethink your "no true Scotsman" stance or are Jews now welcome in the KKK and Aryan Nation?

Even the Amish have their own terrorist group.


And none of them compare to the likes of ISIS.
There were Quaker pirates, but does that mean that as a whole Quakers were no different than the Barbary pirates whose whole society ran on Piracy.
You are comparing a rotten apple to a rotten orchard.


That's the equivalent of saying World War I doesn't count as a world war because more people died in World War II.

It doesn't matter if they compare to ISIS' death toll -- there are numerous Christian terrorist organizations that commit murder.


So if there is another mass killing by one of them we should waste our time talking about how horrible the Moslims are?
Why is it that every time Moslims kill a bunch of people, and remember he claimed to be ISIS and ISIS claimed him some people only want to talk about how bad some Christians have been at some time. All you are doing is minimizing what they have done, it is the everyone does it defense.


I corrected the statement that there are no Christian terrorist organizations murdering people because very clearly there are. You then stated the Christian terrorist organizations were "not Christian" and then proceeded to imply one terrorist organization is more "terroristy" than another because of the death toll.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 10:08:14 PM   
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What Christian organisation is killing people now ?

T^T

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 10:20:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz

Do you want to rethink your "no true Scotsman" stance or are Jews now welcome in the KKK and Aryan Nation?

Even the Amish have their own terrorist group.


And none of them compare to the likes of ISIS.
There were Quaker pirates, but does that mean that as a whole Quakers were no different than the Barbary pirates whose whole society ran on Piracy.
You are comparing a rotten apple to a rotten orchard.


That's the equivalent of saying World War I doesn't count as a world war because more people died in World War II.

It doesn't matter if they compare to ISIS' death toll -- there are numerous Christian terrorist organizations that commit murder.


So if there is another mass killing by one of them we should waste our time talking about how horrible the Moslims are?
Why is it that every time Moslims kill a bunch of people, and remember he claimed to be ISIS and ISIS claimed him some people only want to talk about how bad some Christians have been at some time. All you are doing is minimizing what they have done, it is the everyone does it defense.


I corrected the statement that there are no Christian terrorist organizations murdering people because very clearly there are. You then stated the Christian terrorist organizations were "not Christian" and then proceeded to imply one terrorist organization is more "terroristy" than another because of the death toll.


Since those so called Christian terrorests, unlike the Moslem ones, have been uniformly disowned by Christianity yes there is a difference.
And yes the number of them and the greater damage and the more killing they do make them worse.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 10:23:16 PM   
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What Christian organisation is killing people now ?

T^T


A Google search shows murders in 2016 from the Aryan Nation/Brotherhood and several other organizations in addition to the break-up of a meth ring (run by females, called "featherwoods" (TIL!)).

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 10:28:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ifmaz


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

What Christian organisation is killing people now ?

T^T


A Google search shows murders in 2016 from the Aryan Nation/Brotherhood and several other organizations in addition to the break-up of a meth ring (run by females, called "featherwoods" (TIL!)).


Total number of muders?
Because our position is that Islamic terrorism is a far greater threat.


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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 10:31:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz

Do you want to rethink your "no true Scotsman" stance or are Jews now welcome in the KKK and Aryan Nation?

Even the Amish have their own terrorist group.


And none of them compare to the likes of ISIS.
There were Quaker pirates, but does that mean that as a whole Quakers were no different than the Barbary pirates whose whole society ran on Piracy.
You are comparing a rotten apple to a rotten orchard.


That's the equivalent of saying World War I doesn't count as a world war because more people died in World War II.

It doesn't matter if they compare to ISIS' death toll -- there are numerous Christian terrorist organizations that commit murder.


So if there is another mass killing by one of them we should waste our time talking about how horrible the Moslims are?
Why is it that every time Moslims kill a bunch of people, and remember he claimed to be ISIS and ISIS claimed him some people only want to talk about how bad some Christians have been at some time. All you are doing is minimizing what they have done, it is the everyone does it defense.


I corrected the statement that there are no Christian terrorist organizations murdering people because very clearly there are. You then stated the Christian terrorist organizations were "not Christian" and then proceeded to imply one terrorist organization is more "terroristy" than another because of the death toll.


Since those so called Christian terrorests, unlike the Moslem ones, have been uniformly disowned by Christianity yes there is a difference.
And yes the number of them and the greater damage and the more killing they do make them worse.


So Muslims, by and large, have not rejected the acts of terrorists and in fact really like and support ISIS? Or you don't believe them because it doesn't fit your narrative of "all Muslims are bad"? You take offense to "all gun owners are bad", can you not see the irony?

Do I need to point out the linked article elsewhere in this thread with god-fearing Christians praising the shooter for killing gays? If one was to use the same idiotically wide brush one could therefore state all Christians support murdering people based on what those people do with their genitals.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 10:44:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ifmaz


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz

Do you want to rethink your "no true Scotsman" stance or are Jews now welcome in the KKK and Aryan Nation?

Even the Amish have their own terrorist group.


And none of them compare to the likes of ISIS.
There were Quaker pirates, but does that mean that as a whole Quakers were no different than the Barbary pirates whose whole society ran on Piracy.
You are comparing a rotten apple to a rotten orchard.


That's the equivalent of saying World War I doesn't count as a world war because more people died in World War II.

It doesn't matter if they compare to ISIS' death toll -- there are numerous Christian terrorist organizations that commit murder.


So if there is another mass killing by one of them we should waste our time talking about how horrible the Moslims are?
Why is it that every time Moslims kill a bunch of people, and remember he claimed to be ISIS and ISIS claimed him some people only want to talk about how bad some Christians have been at some time. All you are doing is minimizing what they have done, it is the everyone does it defense.


I corrected the statement that there are no Christian terrorist organizations murdering people because very clearly there are. You then stated the Christian terrorist organizations were "not Christian" and then proceeded to imply one terrorist organization is more "terroristy" than another because of the death toll.


Since those so called Christian terrorests, unlike the Moslem ones, have been uniformly disowned by Christianity yes there is a difference.
And yes the number of them and the greater damage and the more killing they do make them worse.


So Muslims, by and large, have not rejected the acts of terrorists and in fact really like and support ISIS? Or you don't believe them because it doesn't fit your narrative of "all Muslims are bad"? You take offense to "all gun owners are bad", can you not see the irony?

Do I need to point out the linked article elsewhere in this thread with god-fearing Christians praising the shooter for killing gays? If one was to use the same idiotically wide brush one could therefore state all Christians support murdering people based on what those people do with their genitals.


I would if I had said that. But I have repeatedly said that most Moslems are not terrorists. That I know Moslems who agree with me that ISIS and their ilk are heritics. Even here if you recall, I said there are many more
Moslems who follow this extremest view, not than Moslems who don't, but than Christians who follow the extremist view of their religion.
If you had followed my posting history I have stated that the vast majority

of people killed by the radicals are Moslems and that more extremists are killied by Moslems than by the rest of the world. So your claim that I think'all Mosems are bad" is based on false assumptions or lack of information.

Do I have to start evey post with a disclaimer that there are indeed many good Moslems to avoid you assuming I am Islamaphobic.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 10:46:30 PM   
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"god-fearing Christians praising the shooter for killing gays"

Didn't catch that part but sounds about right.

Why can't people just leave each other the fuck alone ?

T^T

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 10:47:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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Do I have to start evey post with a disclaimer that there are indeed many good Moslems to avoid you assuming I am Islamaphobic.


That depends: when someone who stupidly states there are no Christian terrorist organizations committing murders is corrected, are you going to come to their defense?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 10:53:14 PM   
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"god-fearing Christians praising the shooter for killing gays"

Didn't catch that part but sounds about right.

Why can't people just leave each other the fuck alone ?

T^T


"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

If you have 55 minutes, the BBC filmed a recent documentary titled 'The United States of Hate' that was interesting. I was saddened to learn Phoenix is home to a relatively large anti-Muslim group.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/12/2016 10:57:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ifmaz


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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Do I have to start evey post with a disclaimer that there are indeed many good Moslems to avoid you assuming I am Islamaphobic.


That depends: when someone who stupidly states there are no Christian terrorist organizations committing murders is corrected, are you going to come to their defense?


I will side with that before I will side who equates anything done by a Christian with the coldblooded state sponsored murder of at least 50 people.
The Christian extremist who as I have ponited out repeatedly have been repudiated by virtually every Christian leader. Even Westboro which was thrown out of their convention.

You never did give any figuers to show that all of them put together are anything like the threat that RADICAL Islam is.

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