What makes U.S.A. so "Different?"

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knees2you -> What makes U.S.A. so "Different?" (7/21/2006 8:52:55 AM)
Are we really the land of the Free?[&:] One of the Presidents in Russia once said that it would not be his weapons that would destroy America, but Americas own People. If we keep electing people like George bush we "will continue to be the Puppets of the World." Yes Saddam was Evil! But Saddam didn't bomb New york, Osama Binlaudin did. We still haven't found him. After 911 Pakastaniens where holding the American flag Burning it! I guess if you Can't walk the Streets freely at night, then "we are the land of the free." So let them keep burning their flags, and will keep walking the streets at night. We let illegal people come into this Country for years, but now someone decides we better not. We could learn something from a place like Singapore! Yes we help out other Countries to the tune of Trillions of Dollars. Still yet we can't take care of Our own people. It's never going to end? quote: "Sometimes if the shoe fits, it's still might not be wise to wear it?" Ant,[;)]

caitlyn -> RE: What makes U.S.A. so "Different?" (7/21/2006 9:29:56 AM)
Are we really the land of the Free? It's just a slogan ... you say something that sounds good, and see if it sticks. One of the Presidents in Russia once said that it would not be his weapons that would destroy America, but Americas own People. Anyone that knows anything about history can tell you that rarely does any one thing lead to the downfall of a mighty power. It is usually a combination of factors and some things that remain a mystery forever. If we keep electing people like George bush we "will continue to be the Puppets of the World." We are not the puppet of the world. The world has no puppets ... never has and never will. We are involved in many things, because we are the strongest. That is the way it has always been. We make some good decisions and some bad ones. That too is the way it has always been. We are no different, no better and no worse, than any other mighty power. We will be a mighty power as long as we have an army that is much more powerful than anyone elses ... no matter who we elect. Chances are good that you and I will both be dead, and the United States will still be the dominant power. Yes Saddam was Evil! But Saddam didn't bomb New york, Osama Binlaudin did. We still haven't found him. And if we found him, then Omasa Von Dumfuck would be our new enemy. Powerful nations have enemies, because they are powerful. If you don't want enemies, then don't be powerful. After 911 Pakastaniens where holding the American flag Burning it! Who cares ... we have lots more flags where that one came from. I guess if you Can't walk the Streets freely at night, then "we are the land of the free." Cave dwellers couldn't walk from cave to cave at night. The night belongs to dark forces, whatever they may be. Suggestion, buy a car and get a gun permit. Night works better that way. We let illegal people come into this Country for years, but now someone decides we better not. We could learn something from a place like Singapore! Right now, someone in Singapore is thinking they could learn something from a place like the USA. The grass is always greener ... Yes we help out other Countries to the tune of Trillions of Dollars. Still yet we can't take care of Our own people. We don't want soft citizens. Thats what so many in other countries don't understand. They bash on our gun laws (or lack of) and crime and life in the streets of America. We don't want a society where everyone has it made. History teaches us that while that may not be "the end", you can see the end from there. It's never going to end? Probably not. That is why it's better to know the world you live in, accept it for what it is. Life is more simple, that way.

LotusSong -> RE: What makes U.S.A. so "Different?" (7/21/2006 10:50:13 AM)
The USA is so "different" because our President is "special".

LotusSong -> RE: What makes U.S.A. so "Different?" (7/21/2006 10:52:38 AM)
Spoken like a true Roman... and we all know what happened to the Roman Empire. Excess and Arrogance = Fall

SusanofO -> RE: What makes U.S.A. so "Different?" (7/21/2006 11:14:56 AM)
I agree with a lot of what caitlyn said. In another vein - I also think it's not a "myth" that our standard of living is higher than about 95% of the rest of the entire world, except in cases of extreme poverty. I think some other countries may be jealous of this, and if so, who can blame them? I just returned from a trip to Europe in early June, and even in places like London and Paris (and certainly Rome) it was obvious to me that even though some of those places have nationalized health care, they also seemed to have an awful lot of beggars on the streets. Especially in Rome, it seemed, and London. It was hard for me to watch, and I always gave them money, even if my dad and brothers-in-law yelled at me for it (they thought it was a con, but even if it was, anyone who wants to make thier living that way deserves a little sympathy, probably, so I considered it a wash). I currently have three Ethiopian kids I've "adopted" via an international charitable organization, and donate money every month for things like basic living necessities for them, and schooling. They have next to nothing over there, compared to what we've got here. Without getting all "preachy", I do think it's amazing what we can take for granted. - Susan

caitlyn -> RE: What makes U.S.A. so "Different?" (7/21/2006 11:38:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong Spoken like a true Roman... and we all know what happened to the Roman Empire. Excess and Arrogance = Fall Most modern historians don't believe that to be true, even though these are Gibbon's assertions. Rome was very powerful in times if great excess. Arrogance is ethereal ... everyone is arrogant. If you support Gibbon's position, then you must by rote support his time periods. 30BC to 476AD int he West, and 277AD to 1453AD in the East, is a pretty good track record.

juliaoceania -> RE: What makes U.S.A. so "Different?" (7/21/2006 12:22:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong Spoken like a true Roman... and we all know what happened to the Roman Empire. Excess and Arrogance = Fall Most modern historians don't believe that to be true, even though these are Gibbon's assertions. Rome was very powerful in times if great excess. Arrogance is ethereal ... everyone is arrogant. If you support Gibbon's position, then you must by rote support his time periods. 30BC to 476AD int he West, and 277AD to 1453AD in the East, is a pretty good track record. I don't know Caitlyn, it seems to me that Gibbon's thesis seems to be holding true for other arrogant empires since Rome fell. Rome was very successful for a very long time, but its excesses seemed to weaken it. I think if you look at colonialism, and now globalization, you can see that what Gibbons critiqued about Romans holds true.

LotusSong -> RE: What makes U.S.A. so "Different?" (7/21/2006 12:34:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn Most modern historians don't believe that to be true, even though these are Gibbon's assertions. Rome was very powerful in times if great excess. Arrogance is ethereal ... everyone is arrogant. If you support Gibbon's position, then you must by rote support his time periods. 30BC to 476AD int he West, and 277AD to 1453AD in the East, is a pretty good track record. I quote no one but myself in this matter. I was reflecting today about this very thing: Napoleon had his Waterloo.. where he didn't know when to retreat.. he kept pushing with a "no cut and run attitude" As did Hitler into Russia As is Bush's attitude, but only time will tell on that one.

caitlyn -> RE: What makes U.S.A. so "Different?" (7/21/2006 3:01:11 PM)
And yet this paragon of excess was able to engineer victory at the battle of Chalon in 451 AD, only 25 years before capitulation in the west. One might also consider that after Constantine and the spread of Christianity, the lofty elitism of the arrogant empire had largely passed. If living in excess and being arrogant was the path to destruction, the empire wouldn't have made it past Vespasian, Titus and Domitian. To my way of thinking ... which may not be the right way, but it's my post [;)] ... the Early Roman Empire is the only accurate western comparison to United States of today. There have been other powers, but they all had rivals that existed on a level, or nearly level playing field. Napoleon had his Waterloo, but needed a powerful Wellington to play the part. Hitler, after the battles of Britain and El Alamein, wasn't even the strongest power in Europe. Those were good comparisons to the United States of the 1960's and 1970's, but since the fall of the Soviet Union, there really isn't an equal rival out there. That might change, as a matter of fact it surely will ... but don't look for it in our lifetime. The Early Roman Empire could survive Caligula, Nero and Commodus, because they were in an arena of world powers, all by themselves. The United States will survive bad leadership, at least for a while, for the exact same reason. I knew Julia was a kind of history dork, and now we have Lotus too. This is even better then discussing politics ... and you two don't have to listen to your foster dad, telling you to get a "real" major. [;)]

knees2you -> RE: What makes U.S.A. so "Different?" (7/21/2006 4:14:16 PM)
quote: quote no one but myself in this matter. I was reflecting today about this very thing: Napoleon had his Waterloo.. where he didn't know when to retreat.. he kept pushing with a "no cut and run attitude" As did Hitler into Russia As is Bush's attitude, but only time will tell on that one. This is Quite True, Bushes time will only tell? Ant,[;)] and LilBecque[:)]

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