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Trouble there is that your first dilemma is false -- it's not about guns/no-guns, but about the readily available ability to spew bullets vs. more appropriate hunting/self-defense choices (the two most common reasons cited for firearm ownership). Further, this "one" psychopath is the latest in a parade of psychopaths. One psychopath crashes planes into buildings one day, and commercial airline travel changes forever. Definitely a double standard with firearms.

Your second dilemma I agree with in principle, but, like the 2nd Amendment issue, there's that pesky presumption of innocence (a legal right in several states).

Oh Gawd, I hope you never find out what a more appropriate hunting/self-defense choice gun can do whatever that is.

Though I'm curious to know, if the more appropriate hunting/self-defense choice guns are not readily available with the ability to spew bullets, what good are they for hunting or self defence ??

If you lived in a palatial home, or ever really knew anything about guns, your bedroom if you are bill gates is at most 16 feet wide, if you need to spew more than one or two bullets out of your john wayne sidearm to hit somebody, then you are a waste of american oxygen and should be shot. Consider the reality of gunfights. Or fights period, they are nearly at arms length. Or swat gun fights, you have heard one on tv although you dont understand it. But 11 people trained in targeting and shooting as a job at least 40 hours a week, for many years, withe the best protection on the market, and an actual strategy and tactics plan, against some deranged fool. Barring that the next level is idiots who really think brandishing guns is going to cow the government and then the government kills all of them.

For those of you rising up and fighting the tyranny after you are all done beating your little pud, the first line of defense is the local cops. Yes, virginia they are the government, and none of your fat stupid john wayne asses can even win that level.See, even while you are sleeping they are awake and working on getting your ass, and there is one of you and a pile of them.

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Trouble there is that your first dilemma is false -- it's not about guns/no-guns, but about the readily available ability to spew bullets vs. more appropriate hunting/self-defense choices (the two most common reasons cited for firearm ownership). Further, this "one" psychopath is the latest in a parade of psychopaths. One psychopath crashes planes into buildings one day, and commercial airline travel changes forever. Definitely a double standard with firearms.

Your second dilemma I agree with in principle, but, like the 2nd Amendment issue, there's that pesky presumption of innocence (a legal right in several states).

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Trouble there is that your first dilemma is false -- it's not about guns/no-guns, but about the readily available ability to spew bullets vs. more appropriate hunting/self-defense choices (the two most common reasons cited for firearm ownership). Further, this "one" psychopath is the latest in a parade of psychopaths. One psychopath crashes planes into buildings one day, and commercial airline travel changes forever. Definitely a double standard with firearms.

Your second dilemma I agree with in principle, but, like the 2nd Amendment issue, there's that pesky presumption of innocence (a legal right in several states).

How fast should I be allowed to spew bullets in self defense in your world?

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One psychopath crashes planes into buildings one day, and commercial airline travel changes forever. Definitely a double standard with firearms.

We changed the laws governing who is allowed to purchase and pilot an aircraft? Yeah, no. What we did was institute screening of passengers at airports. So if you want to be consistent, you should be calling for better screening at malls and schools and commercial venues where large numbers of people gather. Except you're not. So yeah, there's a double standard here, but you're the one proposing it.

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One psychopath crashes planes into buildings one day, and commercial airline travel changes forever. Definitely a double standard with firearms.

We tightened the laws governing who is allowed to purchase and pilot an aircraft? Yeah, no. What we did was institute screening of passengers at airports, and to be consistent with your analogy you should be calling for better screening at malls and schools and commercial venues where large numbers of people gather. But, you're not. So yeah there's a double standard here, and you're one of the people behind it.

K.

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One psychopath crashes planes into buildings one day, and commercial airline travel changes forever. Definitely a double standard with firearms.

We tightened the laws governing who is allowed to purchase and pilot an aircraft? Yeah, no. What we did was institute screening of passengers at airports, and to be consistent with your analogy you should be calling for better screening at malls and schools and commercial venues where large numbers of people gather. But, you're not. So yeah there's a double standard here, and you're one of the people behind it.

K.

What are you talking about?

A passenger on a plane is not the same as a gun owner, nor is the pilot, for that matter. You missed it by grossly misinterpreting the analogy. It was about dealing with problems by addressing the cause. I've not seen where the pilots in 9/11 were the cause.

We think nothing (or at least the media don't) of greatly inconveniencing millions of passengers on a daily basis for everyday business and pleasure travel.

How much do we rely on firing a weapon for everyday purpose of basic travel in 'developed' countries?

If talking Syria or Afghanistan, I can see it might be different.

The argument often bleated by the anti-control crowd is that "guns don't kill people," one of the most idiotic slogans ever spoken.

The whole idea behind limited access (and that's all it's ever been), is to isolate those 'innocent guns' from at least some of those less-than-innocent prospective possessors of same.

And in case you missed it, the person who fires the weapon is indeed the 'pilot,' however many thousands of less hours he has to go through to get the license. Even with that, I am not saying that a person feeling the need for that for 'home defense' expedient needs to go through what a pilot does, but we have to admit that a background check for pilots is more stringent than for gun owners, training requirements (or not) aside.

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All I can say, some of the people arguing against control of larger-weapons-obviously-not-intended-for-hunting and then hugging the handguns to their chest are not unlike those against birth control then bitching about abortion.

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One psychopath crashes planes into buildings one day, and commercial airline travel changes forever. Definitely a double standard with firearms.

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"We tightened the laws governing who is allowed to purchase and pilot an aircraft? Yeah, no. What we did was institute screening of passengers at airports, and to be consistent with your analogy you should be calling for better screening at malls and schools and commercial venues where large numbers of people gather. But, you're not. So yeah there's a double standard here, and you're one of the people behind it.

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"So 9/11 was carried out by the airline pilots,"

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"First you demand the same thing"

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"And you want every gun owner to undergo the 100p hours of training that an airline pilot"

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"Not only that but as I pointed out the terror threat in the airplane doesn't come from the crew."

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All I can say, some of the people arguing against control of larger-weapons-obviously-not-intended-for-hunting and then hugging the handguns to their chest are not unlike those against birth control then bitching about abortion.

Larger weapons obviously not intended for hunting, that would be cannons?

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And if you are going to get a concealed carry permit you kind of have to have a handgun.

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You do know that at the same time as the greatest growth in the number of firearms we have owned we have cut crime in half.

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One psychopath crashes planes into buildings one day, and commercial airline travel changes forever. Definitely a double standard with firearms.

We changed the laws governing who is allowed to purchase and pilot an aircraft? Yeah, no. What we did was institute screening of passengers at airports. So if you want to be consistent, you should be calling for better screening at malls and schools and commercial venues where large numbers of people gather. Except you're not. So yeah, there's a double standard here, but you're the one proposing it.

K.

I remember as a child, my Dad receiving a gun at home he ordered through the mail. No checks on him at all except his payment. Now, I can only buy a gun from a dealer licensed by the government, in my State, after I provide paper work that includes copies of my drivers license and thumb print. Then, if I am approved I have to wait ten days before I can pick it up and take it home. Sooo...what hasn't changed about gun laws? Think about applying that to getting on an airplane. The original premiss was silly.

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"Not only that but as I pointed out the terror threat in the airplane doesn't come from the crew."

It certainly doesn't. It comes from oil companies running rampant over foreign policy for many years now.



I don't think that oil companies crashed those planes either.

It seems that they were terrorists poseing as passangers.

But hey anything that takes the blame off of Arabs, right?